deeman 189 Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 1 hour ago, ItsBrice Idk said: However, it is excelling in the electronic aspect and truly the aspect of this new kind of music which is known as ARTPOP. I don't think it is new music as such just that a lot of stuff that gets played isn't music at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsBrice Idk 3 Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 36 minutes ago, deeman said: I don't think it is new music as such just that a lot of stuff that gets played isn't music at all. That is very true, 'music' these days has seemed to become repetitive and boring and many singers are often lacking in talent! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeman 189 Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 33 minutes ago, ItsBrice Idk said: That is very true, 'music' these days has seemed to become repetitive and boring and many singers are often lacking in talent! Oh there are very many great artists more and more each day. I am sure they can be pursuaded to appear on your radio or tv. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
venusfly 17,885 Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 9 hours ago, ItsBrice Idk said: With the release of LG 5, fans are looking forward to 'quality' music. But what does that truly mean The Fame & The Fame Monster's tracklist was perfect from start to end, there's not really a song in either album that you can class as bad, they were all tracks that were ones you'd hear on mainstream radio, there were songs on the albums that weren't even singles that managed to enter the charts. Born This Way & ARTPOP both had just a few 'good' songs on them and the rest just sound like fillers, I personally want to get another album which every track is flawless again, I don't blame her though - BTW & ARTPOP were both made while she was touring, nobody has time to sit down and make a great album when they have that kind of schedule. ARTPOP was a 'quality' album with its concept, and so was BTW, but in terms of how the songs actually sound they weren't that great (mostly ARTPOP's case). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manul 7,377 Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 51 minutes ago, mgreg said: The Fame & The Fame Monster's tracklist was perfect from start to end, there's not really a song in either album that you can class as bad, they were all tracks that were ones you'd hear on mainstream radio, there were songs on the albums that weren't even singles that managed to enter the charts. Born This Way & ARTPOP both had just a few 'good' songs on them and the rest just sound like fillers, I personally want to get another album which every track is flawless again, I don't blame her though - BTW & ARTPOP were both made while she was touring, nobody has time to sit down and make a great album when they have that kind of schedule. ARTPOP was a 'quality' album with its concept, and so was BTW, but in terms of how the songs actually sound they weren't that great (mostly ARTPOP's case). The Fame is literally the album with most filler songs in her discography, and they all generic and boring af. it wasn't laaaahv Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
venusfly 17,885 Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 18 minutes ago, ****Eliza said: The Fame is literally the album with most filler songs in her discography, and they all generic and boring af. Maybe we have different takes on what a filler is but Government Hooker, Americano, Hair, Bad Kids, Highway Unicorn are all really boring in BTW.. So is Fashion! Jewels N' Drugs, MANiCURE, Donatella in ARTPOP The only songs i dont really like in TF/M would be speechless & disco heaven Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,379 Posted January 14, 2016 Author Share Posted January 14, 2016 2 hours ago, ****Eliza said: The Fame is literally the album with most filler songs in her discography, and they all generic and boring af. Blasphemy And disagree about the generic and boring factor too. I think people just are distracted by how polished and clean it sounds. In truth, there is a lot going on in the production. The mix of genres is exciting and fresh (sometimes within one song) to me and all the songs work as pop songs. My problem with a lot of other tracks is that Gaga tried to jam ideas into the pop song format even though they didn't belong there (ex. Government Hooker, Scheisse, Heavy Metal Lover, Aura, Sexxx Dreams, Swine, Mary Jane Holland). Tastes differ of course. But generic? No. Boring, that's your own take. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schizophonic 7,015 Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 with BTW and ARTPOP was a long time from her idea of "done" but she had to wait to put it out. thats when she starts to rewort and overproduce some of the stuff. especially for ARTPOP she had like 100 songs, she should better focus on 20-30 good melodies and not picking up every cool beat what was send to her in that period of time. and i remember in case of ARTPOP the label had most of the tracklist decisions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusel 1,109 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 I obviously love her but her constant 'my last record wasn't the real me' narrative that has been going on ever since she made her second album is frustrating Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mee 381 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 On 14.1.2016 at 5:58 PM, Didymus said: Blasphemy And disagree about the generic and boring factor too. I think people just are distracted by how polished and clean it sounds. In truth, there is a lot going on in the production. The mix of genres is exciting and fresh (sometimes within one song) to me and all the songs work as pop songs. My problem with a lot of other tracks is that Gaga tried to jam ideas into the pop song format even though they didn't belong there (ex. Government Hooker, Scheisse, Heavy Metal Lover, Aura, Sexxx Dreams, Swine, Mary Jane Holland). Tastes differ of course. But generic? No. Boring, that's your own take. In my opinion Government Hooker and Heavy Metal Lover belongs to the best progressive and interesting pop songs which can be heard on mainstream pop albums. The structure and lyrics are abstract, playful and atmospherically and they break through the rigidity and callousness of polished pop structure formula. I'm sure they will be real artistically album classics in Gagas discography. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsjacoblindell 3 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 For me, I haven't really been able to "appreciate" a Gaga album since Born This Way. And by appreciate, I mean I haven't had a real emotional connection to the songs. I loved the ideology behind ARTPOP and the performances were stellar. I understand when people say that ARTPOP lacked quality. And I'm hoping with LG5 we have some real GENUINE, QUALITY songs like Speechless, Marry The Night, Dance In the Dark, The Edge of Glory, Bad Romance, etc. I'm hoping LG5 will also introduce a more sensitive, relatable version of Gaga. I'm so here for another dark album. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,379 Posted January 16, 2016 Author Share Posted January 16, 2016 10 hours ago, INTERNET said: In my opinion Government Hooker and Heavy Metal Lover belongs to the best progressive and interesting pop songs which can be heard on mainstream pop albums. The structure and lyrics are abstract, playful and atmospherically and they break through the rigidity and callousness of polished pop structure formula. I'm sure they will be real artistically album classics in Gagas discography. I don't understand that. The instrumental is progressive for a pop sound, yes, but the structure of both songs is just the same as that of Applause In GH you just have an extended intro but then it's just verse, chorus, verse, chorus, bridge, chorus, outro. In Heavy Metal Lover it's even more apparent. That's what I mean with the progressive elements (in the instrumental) being suffocated or undermined by the pop structural jacket. I remember the GH remix (for the fashion show) and that was truly an abstract, playful and atmospheric breaking through of polished pop formula. Because I loved that remix (and the Scheisse one) one I was probably disappointed in the album version because they just feel incredibly restrained compared to them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mee 381 Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 On 16.1.2016 at 10:42 AM, Didymus said: I don't understand that. The instrumental is progressive for a pop sound, yes, but the structure of both songs is just the same as that of Applause In GH you just have an extended intro but then it's just verse, chorus, verse, chorus, bridge, chorus, outro. In Heavy Metal Lover it's even more apparent. That's what I mean with the progressive elements (in the instrumental) being suffocated or undermined by the pop structural jacket. I remember the GH remix (for the fashion show) and that was truly an abstract, playful and atmospheric breaking through of polished pop formula. Because I loved that remix (and the Scheisse one) one I was probably disappointed in the album version because they just feel incredibly restrained compared to them. Yes, the most progressive in these songs are the instrumentals. But don't forget the intro from Government Hooker and the the last part of the song - it starts very unusual and ends unusual. Btw: I love the atmospheric chorus, a pity that it happens only 2 times in the song. HML is also damn atmospheric because of the progressive instrumental, it will be for me one of the best electronic pop pears forever. About the structure: With on of the most mesmeric elements in this sing she comes not too early, the " I can be your girl girl girl...." - i love that, it's like a surprise. The instrumentals, the ambiguities in lyrics, a few discrepancies in the structure - all these ingredients makes them good progressive electronic pop tracks with character. In my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deviant 85 Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 I dont think she ever tried to argue against the pure fact that Born This Way was rushed out the gate at least in terms of album creation/production. She always talked about it being recorded on the road, apologizing for the tour bus sound quality, etc. I dont think this particular interview is her shading it or considering it beneath her necessarily so much as shes acknowledging how everything was quite hectic. At least for that album specifically, thats how I interpret it. Shes also often quite self-deprecating especially when it comes to her work, so she could also just be giving in to what a certain niche of people and critics had to say negatively about the album. As for ARTPOP, I think she knows very well that it was not on par with what shes capable of. And I think even during the era and its creation she was very self-consciously aware of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deviant 85 Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 On 1/16/2016 at 1:42 AM, Didymus said: I don't understand that. The instrumental is progressive for a pop sound, yes, but the structure of both songs is just the same as that of Applause In GH you just have an extended intro but then it's just verse, chorus, verse, chorus, bridge, chorus, outro. In Heavy Metal Lover it's even more apparent. That's what I mean with the progressive elements (in the instrumental) being suffocated or undermined by the pop structural jacket. I remember the GH remix (for the fashion show) and that was truly an abstract, playful and atmospheric breaking through of polished pop formula. Because I loved that remix (and the Scheisse one) one I was probably disappointed in the album version because they just feel incredibly restrained compared to them. the GH used in the mugler fashion show was essentially just sped up and without certain verses/lyrics. i dont understand how that can be considered abstract but not the album track when its essentially the same thing just butchered. not to mention government hooker was probably the only track on the album universally acknowledged by critics who didnt even like the album as arguably the most interesting contribution to it. the sheisse remix was pretty sick though and had they made that the actual song i think itd honestly be one of her best creations, but the album version is a really infectious commercial pop song that i wouldve assumed was included and created to be a top 40 hit. unfortunately they just ignored it. as for heavy metal lover, its not even remotely like applause in generic structure or composition. i hold back from calling anything within the commercial pop sphere "progressive" or whatever and hml is no exception. but I also really dont consider it apart of the generic polished pop formula either. i think the thing about most of born this way isnt that its too progressive or too commercial. its somewhere inbetween her trying to go off the wall and experiment with over the top grandeur and her also trying to make sure it fits within a top 40 mold. the end result is not typical top 40 pop princess and not progressive pop chanteuse either. which is why i think you could say general reception was so mixed and ultimately why general reception of gaga is so mixed. shes always got one toe on one side and another toe on another side. she cant find a balance. who is it all supposed to appeal to you know? it could appeal to anyone and everyone of course, but music that doesnt clearly fit into a niche usually doesnt get as picked up on. shes not art enough for the jaded art fags and not always polished enough for the katy/rihanna consumers. shes just been off on her own tangent ever since born this way leaving people to argue whether or not that tangent is of any merit or value Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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