LG5: The return to quality?

[giskardsb 12,565]

22 minutes ago, Quasi said:

I loved ARTPOP, so does that make my point of view worth nothing now? I'm genuinely curious. 

In fact, you could Love ARTPOP even if Gaga flat out said she hated it, which of course she hasn't. People here are grasping at statements from her to validate their own opinions, and it's stupid.  I don't need Gagas permission to say that I prefer BTW over TF.  I certainly don't need chart or sales figures to say I prefer ARTPOP over TF, in spite (probably because) of the fact that it was less palatable to the GP.   

But Gaga saying she was rushed does not equate to disliking either BTW or ARTPOP.

[Whispering 18,865]

7 minutes ago, BlTCH said:

yea ARTPOP was definitely rushed, certainly not released after her longest break yet  

The majority of that "break" was spent recovering and recuperating from major surgery. That's not much of a break! 

[Kanye West 1,676]

12 minutes ago, Quasi said:

You're joking right? How can you base the validity of someone's opinion on the success of an album? 

So many people here are so quick to defend BTW/TFM/TF cause it's their beloved album. But if people defend ARTPOP, they're labeled "delusional". Is anyone else seeing the problem here? I'm not saying that you can't defend BTW or any of her albums because they're all brilliant pieces of work. But what constantly irks me is how the opinion of members are put down and dismissed just because the album that they hold close may not have been as successful as previous ones. I loved ARTPOP, so does that make my point of view worth nothing now? I'm genuinely curious. 

It doesn't make your view worth nothing, but you'll certainly lose respect and credit. It's a career damaging album, so if you put down her more successful albums in favor of it, I see no reason to respect that opinion.

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3 minutes ago, Creyk said:

This is like the most interesting thread on this site in forever

Yay

This is literally the thread everyone who wants to actually discuss Gaga has been waiting for... why does it happen whilst I'm working on other things

[Creyk 17,789]

1 minute ago, Imperial POP said:

It doesn't make your view worth nothing, but you'll certainly lose respect and credit. It's a career damaging album, so if you put down her more successful albums in favor of it, I see no reason to respect that opinion.

All this tea

 

[Didymus 34,379]

@Quasi

I just wanna say I in no way agree with the people who discredit your opinion because you love ARTPOP I didn't make this thread to go down that route at all (probably should've bolded the last few sentences in the OP), so I hope we can all get past the idiotic and boring "yay this means we can finally call ARTPOP (and/or BTW) bad!" discussion, people

[REALITY 76,054]

Born This Way, at our current place in time, is my favorite album by Gaga thus far. I found it interesting that she considers The Fame/The Fame Monster to be the pinnacles of her career. While I love both of those two albums, I've always view them as the catalysts in Gaga's career, not the focal point of it. 

Either way, I'd excited to see what kind of music LG5 will bring, and what what the era will be like. 

 

[giskardsb 12,565]

9 minutes ago, Imperial POP said:

It doesn't make your view worth nothing, but you'll certainly lose respect and credit. It's a career damaging album, so if you put down her more successful albums in favor of it, I see no reason to respect that opinion.

This is such a pop Fan attitude lol. This is why Pop and pop fans get little respect from other genre lovers. 

[deeman 189]

I fell asleep coz I was listening late but this interview really listen to it twice. Very concerning issue at the beginning of Gaga something about a rape and it being inside the industry from what I could make out. Anyhow hope you all find some music tonight.

[djBuffoon 12,103]

She may have been rushed, she might think everything after The Fame Monster is crap. I don't think those are the case, but honestly... I'm not sure it really matters which ones she thinks are her best, at this point. The pieces are all out in the world, for the listener to determine what they like, what they don't like, and why they feel that way.

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13 minutes ago, Imperial POP said:

It doesn't make your view worth nothing, but you'll certainly lose respect and credit. It's a career damaging album, so if you put down her more successful albums in favor of it, I see no reason to respect that opinion.

And I see no reason to respect this opinion. 

[Didymus 34,379]

Just now, djBuffoon said:

She may have been rushed, she might think everything after The Fame Monster is crap. I don't think those are the case, but honestly... I'm not sure it really matters which ones she thinks are her best, at this point. The pieces are all out in the world, for the listener to determine what they like, what they don't like, and why they feel that way.

Duh.

Is that a reason not to discuss what she said though? I didn't make this thread about whether or not the albums are to be disliked. I made it to discuss her change of situation in terms of pressure and being finally free to genuinely create again. I just thought it was worthy of discussion because she never singled out her first two era's this way as embodying that state. Imo, the albums are only part of the story. In the same interview she says that in her visuals, you could see the industry's pressure most clearly.

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1 hour ago, CoCo1 said:

It doesn't surprise me at all that she would slight BTW by grouping it with ARTPOP, in fact I'm glad to see that she's still so intelligent and self-aware, possibly moreso than ever. Yes Born This Way is a significantly stronger album and era than ARTPOP, but it was still a disappointment at the time and a very far cry from the classic, generation-defining album/era that it was envisioned to be. She started 2011 as the biggest name in music with the fastest #1 debut of all time and ended the year with pretty much no one talking about her except her stans. That is in no way a success, it's the result of a total deflation of momentum, acclaim and interest. 

The album has some fantastic songs but much of it was shameless rehashing of 80's music (especially Born in the USA, which is an album she was clearly trying to emulate) and it was shockingly overproduced and displayed extremely poor taste and quality control in parts. No one but Gaga's most die-hard fans (aka this forum's demographic) would listen to songs like Highway Unicorn, Bad Kids, Americano, Hair, the bonus tracks, etc. And not because they're brilliantly left-field or daring songs, they're just really loud and cheesy and mediocre. Despite how much I love the standout songs on that album and the memories I have associated with the era, she could have done a much, much better job of it all while stile retaining the core message and concept behind the work.

 

Completely slayed by this post. I agree 100%

[Whispering 18,865]

9 minutes ago, Imperial POP said:

It doesn't make your view worth nothing, but you'll certainly lose respect and credit. It's a career damaging album, so if you put down her more successful albums in favor of it, I see no reason to respect that opinion.

The previous album and era before oftentimes sets the stage for the next one. BTW, both the album and the era, could easily be seen as the "career damaging album"...the one that seperated Gaga from the GP and ended in a near career damaging injury. 

You have to also remember that not everyone here, or in the music world, equates success purely with numbers. Some prefer one album over another, or one era over another, despite how they did commercially. 

[PoshLife 16,975]

I'm late to the discussion, but I've seen so many artists that I follow lately talking trash about their previous work. I know it's mostly to hype the new stuff, but it makes me feel weird in a way that's hard to articulate. It's just like, okay so can I get my money back if you admit it's no good?

It's just sort of a slight to fans who have stuck by her through those supposedly low-quality eras. Should we not have?