Gaga talks new album with V Magazine

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Btw, I'm also one of the people that are being careful about assuming LG5 is upon us soon, but this interview is probably like half a year old so don't exaggerate

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7 minutes ago, Didymus said:

Btw, I'm also one of the people that are being careful about assuming LG5 is upon us soon, but this interview is probably like half a year old so don't exaggerate

Thanks for reminding me, I had completely forgotten that this is "dated" information (even though she literally mentions "just" having done a show with Tony )

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49 minutes ago, Didymus said:

I know the extremes you're talking about Well represented

I'm not even gonna try to figure out what she really means by it 'cause I still can't figure out exactly what the hell happened and the contradictions are just too vivid. I mean, I don't understand how she could claim to change her manner of working so dramatically while she started working on the album literally a week after Born This Way was released.

If, during this period, she seriously couldn't sit at a piano etc. because it made her confront her suppressed emotions (you know, the "you're better than this" quotes) then that also has implications for the BTW era. But she never claimed to feel that miserable during it, either during the era or now when she's talking about ARTPOP in retrospect.. and she did write Princess Die (obviously written at a piano) etc. so I mean.. ?? I'm just so confused about it all. I don't understand the timeline and how it all happened and why.

To me it just seems that she's saying whatever she can to make her next era seem authentic and like a renewal. I mean, hasn't she done that for literally every era so far? "This time I'm gonna show the real me". I mean, Christ, she even said it about C2C So yeah, I don't know if I even agree with your last sentence because to me it seems plausible that she's just making things up along the way

Well in that previous interview she stated that she couldn't bring herself to sit behind the piano, because interscope would ask her to "dumb it down" and make it more Top-40-accessible anyway (which I don't understand, since quite a few of her Top 40 hits started at the piano). But anyway, perhaps she started writing ARTPOP on the piano (which we know for a fact that she has: see Princess Die), but later started working with beats instead because she got tired of Interscopes interference with all her hard work. Maybe this coincided with her hip injury, because I can imagine Interscope rushing her into the studio from the moment that she was able to properly be upright at a mic again  (wheelchair pun not intended).

The biggest exception to the rule is I Wanna Be With You/Dope though . That obviously started at the piano, and alledgedly interscope loved "the ballad". So I fail to see how that works with the "I couldn't sit at a piano" story, especially knowing that she wrote that song after the injury.

But theorizing aside, I think it's safe to say that the whole story of that process behind that album is too complex and was influenced by too many variables for us to ever figure out completely. Gaga might sound like she's contradicting herself when talking in these interviews, but maybe that's partly because it was a very conflicting and confusing time for her that it can't straightforwardly be explained through these commercial interviews that she know will be read by thousands of people.

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9 minutes ago, Totodile said:

But theorizing aside, I think it's safe to say that the whole story of that process behind that album is too complex and was influenced by too many variables for us to ever figure out completely. Gaga might sound like she's contradicting herself when talking in these interviews, but maybe that's partly because it was a very conflicting and confusing time for her that it can't stiaghtforwardly be explained through these commercial interviews that she know will be read by thousands of people.

Sure.

Though I personally think it's a mix of this and what I'm saying: that she's consciously presenting her next thing as more authentic and a true expression of her talent and creativity. She's been repeating that for too long now for it not to be deliberate strategy imo (not just for LG5, I mean for BTW, ARTPOP ànd C2C).

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11 minutes ago, Didymus said:

Sure.

Though I personally think it's a mix of this and what I'm saying: that she's consciously presenting her next thing as more authentic and a true expression of her talent and creativity. She's been repeating that for too long now for it not to be deliberate strategy imo (not just for LG5, I mean for BTW, ARTPOP ànd C2C).

True, but that kinda makes sense for any artist to do. That's a combination of wishful thinking ("If I repeatedly put it out into the universe, it might come true") and simply the fact that people evolve and grow in their crafts (especially people in creative businesses).

I love drawing portraits, and even though I'm sometimes over the moon with the result of my work, I might criticize it a year later when I look back at it and see the sloppiness/flaws of my ways more clearly - as I've improved over that period. That doesn't mean it wasn't a personal achievement for me back when I first drew it, or that I was wrong for being excited (or perhaps even overly-excited) back then.

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This says absolutely nothing about the new album that we don't already know. She says almost the same thing before every album she releases. So there's nothing to be excited about so far. The show helped her and now she's aware that she's able to explore other things. Good for her.

Glad she knows ARTPOP era was a mess, too.

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1 hour ago, Didymus said:

I know the extremes you're talking about Well represented

I'm not even gonna try to figure out what she really means by it 'cause I still can't figure out exactly what the hell happened and the contradictions are just too vivid. I mean, I don't understand how she could claim to change her manner of working so dramatically while she started working on the album literally a week after Born This Way was released.

If, during this period, she seriously couldn't sit at a piano etc. because it made her confront her suppressed emotions (you know, the "you're better than this" quotes) then that also has implications for the BTW era. But she never claimed to feel that miserable during it, either during the era or now when she's talking about ARTPOP in retrospect.. and she did write Princess Die (obviously written at a piano) etc. so I mean.. ?? I'm just so confused about it all. I don't understand the timeline and how it all happened and why.

To me it just seems that she's saying whatever she can to make her next era seem authentic and like a renewal. I mean, hasn't she done that for literally every era so far? "This time I'm gonna show the real me". I mean, Christ, she even said it about C2C So yeah, I don't know if I even agree with your last sentence because to me it seems plausible that she's just making things up along the way

They're both embarrassing, but the trolling is pretty funny

It is really hard to work out the timeframe because as always, there's major inconsistencies in the stories. From my understanding though...

1) Gaga starts writing and working on the "next one" close to Born This Way's release.

2) At the end of the Born This Way era, she already has a few songs, a concept and has began writing for that concept.

3) ARTPOP is completed as a rough draft early in the BTWBall.

4) Label dislikes the album and rejects it as a body of work.

5) Gaga continues to work on the album throughout the BTWBall and as well as original direction, she starts making more poppy songs and "fun" songs that blur genres.

6) Label dislikes direction again and demands it to be more pop orientated

7) Gaga begins toying with idea of making two albums, one being the pop album that is demanded and one that is more adventurous. This is the point she begins writing over beats.

8) - Time passes -

9) Hip injury worsens and she is out of commission with neither albums completed.

10) Gaga is rushed back into working to create ONE album to hit set deadlines and is forced to focus on pop release.

11) ARTPOP (pop album) is accepted as a release the label will back and Gaga continues to work on it until release.

*** This is all my understanding ***

 

She always hypes up the next one by making it sound bigger than her last, which is pretty common practice but the points she raises about ARTPOP, especially now seem more authentic than her points earlier.

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I can't believe she said ARTPOP sucked!! I thought she loved that album lol Guess not. She is becoming more self aware and i'll be happy to wait another year if she writes another Fame Monster. 

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Better than nothing. 

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1 hour ago, Benji said:

They're both embarrassing, but the trolling is pretty funny

It is really hard to work out the timeframe because as always, there's major inconsistencies in the stories. From my understanding though...

1) Gaga starts writing and working on the "next one" close to Born This Way's release.

2) At the end of the Born This Way era, she already has a few songs, a concept and has began writing for that concept.

3) ARTPOP is completed as a rough draft early in the BTWBall.

4) Label dislikes the album and rejects it as a body of work.

5) Gaga continues to work on the album throughout the BTWBall and as well as original direction, she starts making more poppy songs and "fun" songs that blur genres.

6) Label dislikes direction again and demands it to be more pop orientated

7) Gaga begins toying with idea of making two albums, one being the pop album that is demanded and one that is more adventurous. This is the point she begins writing over beats.

8) - Time passes -

9) Hip injury worsens and she is out of commission with neither albums completed.

10) Gaga is rushed back into working to create ONE album to hit set deadlines and is forced to focus on pop release.

11) ARTPOP (pop album) is accepted as a release the label will back and Gaga continues to work on it until release.

*** This is all my understanding ***

 

She always hypes up the next one by making it sound bigger than her last, which is pretty common practice but the points she raises about ARTPOP, especially now seem more authentic than her points earlier.

I believe this is 100% correct. The record was done and then to praise the label and maintain ARTPOP intact she'll make a 2CD album release. Interscope ****ed up. I remember when 'Marry The Night' was supposed to be the 2nd single from BTW era and they chose 'Judas' to try a madonna-like-a-prayer impact. Almost killed the era. Then Edge of Glory was powerful enough to keep going thanks God. You know. I'm tired. I want to expect good things from LG5 but then I remember Interscope will make **** again and again and again. They don't understand their own artists (Lana said so many timess about their intrusion on 'Ultraviolence' even the new Gwen Stefani's having trouble to be released because is not what they want). 

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4 hours ago, djBuffoon said:

Is this meant to be sarcastic? Surely, you can't be that dense...

Surely, you're not that much of a condescending and self-righteous bitch.

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43 minutes ago, Julio Graziano said:

I believe this is 100% correct. The record was done and then to praise the label and maintain ARTPOP intact she'll make a 2CD album release. Interscope ****ed up. I remember when 'Marry The Night' was supposed to be the 2nd single from BTW era and they chose 'Judas' to try a madonna-like-a-prayer impact. Almost killed the era. Then Edge of Glory was powerful enough to keep going thanks God. You know. I'm tired. I want to expect good things from LG5 but then I remember Interscope will make **** again and again and again. They don't understand their own artists (Lana said so many timess about their intrusion on 'Ultraviolence' even the new Gwen Stefani's having trouble to be released because is not what they want). 

I think it's the nearest we can get to knowing what vaguely happened with the information she shared before, during and after the era. Problem is, she still leaves out some major details and occasionally bends the truth a little, especially when it comes to Troy's impact. Not that she's lying but she certainly used him as a bit of a scapegoat when explaining the album issues during their separation  It's bad because everyone blames Troy when in reality it was the label that were demanding so much from her, it was just that Troy was the man who had to try and please her and the label

I personally can see Gaga leaving Interscope when her contract is up and venturing to one of Sony's; most notably Columbia Records.

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Title: Gaga talks new album

Posts in the thread: 10 pages of "Did she shade ARTPOP or not?" "Gaga hates ARTPOP - CONFIRMED" "Why was Gaga such a mess during ARTPOP?" 

The obsession and decay of our fanbase with this album is astounding. 

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8 minutes ago, Benji said:

I think it's the nearest we can get to knowing what vaguely happened with the information she shared before, during and after the era. Problem is, she still leaves out some major details and occasionally bends the truth a little, especially when it comes to Troy's impact. Not that she's lying but she certainly used him as a bit of a scapegoat when explaining the album issues during their separation  It's bad because everyone blames Troy when in reality it was the label that were demanding so much from her, it was just that Troy was the man who had to try and please her and the label

I personally can see Gaga leaving Interscope when her contract is up and venturing to one of Sony's; most notably Columbia Records.

Madonna is independent now (Interscope only make the distribution of the CDs. Kylie Minogue is also independent now after Jay-Z took off two international hit singles from her latest album which was her worse to date on the charts and to the fans. I see GaGa making something like that or at least at an Indie Label as Adele on XL Recordings that is subsidiary of Sony Music/Columbia. 

By the way let's not forget that Elton John listened to few LG5 tracks back in September 2015. I read also in somewhere that half of the record is done but I can't remember where and if this is obviously a rumor though. 

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8 minutes ago, Son of ARTPOP said:

Title: Gaga talks new album

Posts in the thread: 10 pages of "Did she shade ARTPOP or not?" "Gaga hates ARTPOP - CONFIRMED" "Why was Gaga such a mess during ARTPOP?" 

The obsession and decay of our fanbase with this album is astounding. 

It's always the same  I purposely stayed away from this thread for a while because there was no way I was going to get dragged into the whole "ARTPOP IS A PILE OF SHITE, EVEN GAGA SAID IT" vs "ARTPOP IS GOD'S GIFT FROM HEAVEN AND EVERYONE WHO DISCREDITS IT INCLUDING GAGA IS WRONG"

Like, let's actually discuss it instead of repeating the same lies that both sides spout