George 363 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Some are misinterpreting or not responding to one of OP's main points. One of the questions is why do we want her to be so successful: I personally think she is extremely talented and deserves way bigger recognition, and that obviously will fund her future endeavors. But the other question is why do we let her current position in the mainstream landscape, influence OUR thoughts and OUR opinions about her! I have been super emphatic in reminding people that the opinion about ARTPOP changed drastically from the week it leaked and the next week when it went on sale and didn't sell a million on first day. It was so strange and bizarre to me, people were thinking as the media was saying! "Yeah, seems like the album was not good, it would have sold more if it was". Caring about the success of the artist by following statistics, for example, is good and fine, if some want to brag about it: go ahead - I won't , but changing your perception of him/her because the majority didnt like it, is flat out wrong And then all of this, word by word 11 minutes ago, M Monstre said: I couldn't agree with you more. There are some Little Monsters here, and everywhere really, that seem only happy for Gaga when she gets commercial success. It's annoying and just flat-out rude to the artist. We shouldn't care about how it can sell the first week, we should care about whether or not Gaga's making genuine, authentic music. Gaga's said it herself, that this whole industry is a system, and if your art doesn't go through the system well, they—companies and corporations—want to change it or even scrap it. Gaga's been one of a few artist to break this system and create music that she isn't afraid to (looking at ARTPOP here). Little Monsters and bandwagon fans just want to hear that Gaga's the best in the world, and they want to see that through album sales. It makes me sad that some of us seem to only care about tearing other artists down. What does that do for them? "Music not the bling." Hello, it's me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiona Apple 13,006 Posted January 4, 2016 Author Share Posted January 4, 2016 2 minutes ago, Phoenix said: Pretty much lost it here. Speak for yourself. Imo, success =/= happy. Idgaf about commercial success. Only thing that I care about when it comes to Gaga, about commercial success is that she has just enough money to live normal and to make nice shows, her tour. Even at the beginning when Just Dance and Poker Face made me a stan, I didn't stan for it cause it was #1, I loved it cause I loved the music, and her personality, performances etc. I mostly meant successful in her life tbh But I want her to be successful in her career too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chump 1,093 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Just now, CurlyBae said: She has such a big fanbase that even if her work isn't successful in the GP she will still manage to make tones of money Fanbase will not be huge forever. She must think of her future Commercial success means cultural success which extends her fanbase. Fanbase will leave if she doesn't do what fans and GP love. She can't do what fans love if she has no money Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creyk 17,822 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 More success = more music videos, interviews, Televized performances, epic award show moments, endorsments, commercials, you hear her on the radio. When she is not successful you don't get any of these things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiona Apple 13,006 Posted January 4, 2016 Author Share Posted January 4, 2016 Just now, George said: Some are misinterpreting or not responding to one of OP's main points. One of the questions is why do we want her to be so successful: I personally think she is extremely talented and deserves way bigger recognition, and that obviously will fund her future endeavors. But the other question is why do we let her current position in the mainstream landscape, influence OUR thoughts and OUR opinions about her! I have been super emphatic in reminding people that the opinion about ARTPOP changed drastically from the week it leaked and the next week when it went on sale and didn't sell a million on first day. It was so strange and bizarre to me, people were thinking as the media was saying! "Yeah, seems like the album was not good, it would have sold more if it was". Caring about the success of the artist by following statistics, for example, is good and fine, if some want to brag about it: go ahead - I won't , but changing your perception of him/her because the majority didnt like it, is flat out wrong And then all of this, word by word But she already has a HUGE recognition.She is one of the biggest artists on the planet and her oscar performance was the most talked performance of the year. Other artists that are super successful can't even manage to sell 50.000 copies. So we should be grateful Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiona Apple 13,006 Posted January 4, 2016 Author Share Posted January 4, 2016 2 minutes ago, Chump said: Fanbase will not be huge forever. She must think of her future Commercial success means cultural success which extends her fanbase. Fanbase will leave if she doesn't do what fans and GP love. She can't do what fans love if she has no money The problem is that nowadays the fans want her to do what the GP wants.. And that is insane.Because her career is not based on that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chic 20,830 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Humans like what they like. But they also like to be right. Commercial success can validate some people's enjoyment of something, but also negate it. Some people value feeling validated for their interests over enjoying their interest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creyk 17,822 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 17 minutes ago, M Monstre said: Gaga's said it herself, that this whole industry is a system, and if your art doesn't go through the system well, they—companies and corporations—want to change it or even scrap it. Gaga's been one of a few artist to break this system and create music that she isn't afraid to (looking at ARTPOP here). What are you talking about here? Gaga didn't make ARTPOP with the intention of making some experimental artistic album. It was meant to be a successful commercial record, she confirmed that "all songs could be a hit". It just didn't work out for her. AP was not what she wanted to make, her record company influenced her a lot and she went along with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAMROD 109,771 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 22 minutes ago, Didymus said: Maybe that would've counted in 2009 but not anymore She's RICH. Not really, Xtina had her tour for Bionic cancelled because of poor sales, and she isn't exactly poor. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ✧*:･ﾟ dancin' until i'm dead (*´艸｀*) ♡♡♡ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,380 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 1 minute ago, RAMROD said: Not really, Xtina had her tour for Bionic cancelled because of poor sales, and she isn't exactly poor. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ If you think Gaga would ever do that then you don't realize how different they are as artists Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAMROD 109,771 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Just now, Didymus said: If you think Gaga would ever do that then you don't realize how different they are as artists Do what exactly? The tour wasn't cancelled by her but by her own label. (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ✧*:･ﾟ dancin' until i'm dead (*´艸｀*) ♡♡♡ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
REALITY 77,087 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 7 minutes ago, Creyk said: What are you talking about here? Gaga didn't make ARTPOP with the intention of making some experimental artistic album. It was meant to be a successful commercial record, she confirmed that "all songs could be a hit". It just didn't work out for her. AP was not what she wanted to make, her record company influenced her a lot and she went along with it. https://youtu.be/LlAppZKMDZQ?t=1 I couldn't find the exact place where she discusses it, but basically this whole interview discusses her take on "Creative Rebellion". And I was certain that ARTPOP was an experimental album: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/producer-zedd-reveals-secrets-of-lady-gagas-experimental-new-album-20130614 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔪𝔲𝔰𝔦𝔠'𝔰 𝔤𝔬𝔫𝔫𝔞 𝔟𝔯𝔦𝔫𝔤 𝔪𝔢 𝔟𝔞𝔠𝔨 𝔣𝔯𝔬𝔪 𝔡𝔢𝔞𝔱𝔥 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiona Apple 13,006 Posted January 4, 2016 Author Share Posted January 4, 2016 2 minutes ago, RAMROD said: Not really, Xtina had her tour for Bionic cancelled because of poor sales, and she isn't exactly poor. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Gaga is not Christina.And the difference is that Christina REALLY flopped.She didn't sell like 2-3m.. My point on the thread is that there is no difference for her and for us between 3m (which still be big enough for her to have big tours etc.) and 15m (which is #1 on the industry) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clip 5,100 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 35 minutes ago, Didymus said: "And don't give me sh*t answers like "We won't get many singles if the album flops" "We won't get nice videos" because there are so many artists that sell x100 less than Gaga,Katy etc. and still manage to have brilliant video clips" Bless you for this. So true. I think also people want Gaga to be successful because they use her as a projection device: if she's doing well, they feel better about themselves because they are somehow linked to someone who embodies success for them. Quite sad, really. But as Emma revealed in 2013 as this forum nearly sank: "If you're just here to ride on Gaga's success train, she doesn't even think of you as a fan." Lbr tho this forum cares more about dragging Katy than discussing Gaga's work in a more-than-superficial way. My advice is just to enjoy the music on your own and let go of the idea that this place is used to discuss Gaga. It's not, it's used to discuss why Gaga is better than anyone else. Why would anyone feel successful if Gaga is sucessful? I mean, everyone likes Gaga to get praise and awards, and we all feel happy for her when she does, but I can't understand why people do this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
George 363 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 1 minute ago, CurlyBae said: But she already has a HUGE recognition.She is one of the biggest artists on the planet and her oscar performance was the most talked performance of the year. Other artists that are super successful can't even manage to sell 50.000 copies. So we should be grateful Of course, I actually am grateful and aware of how privileged she is, when its so hard to make it in the global music industry. However, we went through a couple of years of unjustified slander and ridicule about her, that we are just starting to leave in the past. So in the end she is treated like anyone who fails and "flops", and the media was actually happier because she, the "new queen", flopped. With bigger recognition I meant more than better sales, I also meant a better treatment for the artist Hello, it's me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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