PETA protest at Gaga's car outside Billboard Event

[monstereo 1,232]

38 minutes ago, ARTPOPdidntflop said:

But you realise humans have always hunted for meat?

This is an "Appeal to tradition" argument: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_tradition

Is what our ancestors did really relevant to the very different circumstances we face today regarding our food choices and lifestyles? We really have to look at our anatomy to get the best evidence for what we're optimized for eating, not what some humans chose to eat.  Otherwise, thousands of years from now anthropologists might conclude that eating McDonald's is natural because humans in the 20th and 21st centuries used to eat a lot of it.

[ARTPOPdidntflop 3,987]

14 minutes ago, monstereo said:

Is what our ancestors did really relevant to the very different circumstances we face today regarding our food choices and lifestyles? We really have to look at our anatomy to get the best evidence for what we're optimized for eating, not what some humans chose to eat.  Otherwise, thousands of years from now anthropologists might conclude that eating McDonald's is natural because humans in the 20th and 21st centuries used to eat a lot of it.

I never said we needed meat, but to say instinctively that we don't eat meat is false

[LeoFameMonster 1,592]

Ah Peta has balls,

1, Going after Gaga with her army of monsters and

2, Didn't the murder a bunch of animals so they can suck my disco stick

 

 

 

[monstereo 1,232]

3 minutes ago, ARTPOPdidntflop said:

I never said we needed meat, but to say instinctively that we don't eat meat is false

it is not our instinct to kill for food. If you give a baby a bunny rabbit and an apple, there is no doubt it will play with the rabbit and eat the apple – not the other way around. Eating meat is a LEARNED behavior coming from culture through the generations. In terms of instinct,s meat-eaters have fast enough reflexes to ambush or overtake a victim. Try catching a pig or chicken with your bare hands and see what happens.

[Mobster 14,604]

@monstereo Your comments were very insightful, I'll use them when people want to discuss veganism with me, thank you

[ARTPOPdidntflop 3,987]

1 hour ago, monstereo said:

it is not our instinct to kill for food. If you give a baby a bunny rabbit and an apple, there is no doubt it will play with the rabbit and eat the apple – not the other way around. 

That was an terrible example lmao

You completely ignore evolutionary biology, cute.

 

You think Humans hunt with their bare hands 

[monstereo 1,232]

1 minute ago, ARTPOPdidntflop said:

That was an awful example lmao

I love how you completely ignore evolutionary biology, cute.

You think Humans hunt with their bare hands 

Please, explain it then.

And no, humans should be able to their sharp teeth and claws to take down prey like a true meat-eater.

[ARTPOPdidntflop 3,987]

1 minute ago, monstereo said:

Please, explain it then.

because humans have always eaten plants over meat when you look at human history and evolution

[monstereo 1,232]

6 minutes ago, ARTPOPdidntflop said:

because humans have always eaten plants over meat when you look at human history and evolution

Uh, what?

Did you mean to say "meat over plants"? I don't understand your point.

[ARTPOPdidntflop 3,987]

10 minutes ago, monstereo said:

Uh, what?

Did you mean to say "meat over plants"? I don't understand your point.

it was sarcasm

as in they have never eaten plants over meat when given the option. Meat gives more energy per pound than plants. It wouldn't be/it has never been sustainable for humans to survive solely on plants because we'd need so much of it

[monstereo 1,232]

38 minutes ago, ARTPOPdidntflop said:

it was sarcasm

as in they have never eaten plants over meat when given the option. Meat gives more energy per pound than plants. It wouldn't be/it has never been sustainable for humans to survive solely on plants because we'd need so much of it

The amount of grain, water, fuel for animal production out stands ANY sustainability of plant production, because not only do you use water to keep an animal alive for several years, but you also have to use water to water plant feed to keep the animal alive for several years. (70% of grain grown in the US goes to livestock) SO many people can be fed if we used those plants to feed humans directly.

http://michaelbluejay.com/veg/environment.html

If you look at human evolution our ancient ancestors were able to thrive because of their ability to produce wheat and rice. (European and Asia) That's how their civilizations were able to grow powerful while others didn't: they were too busy struggling to find food while Europe/Asia had an abundance of it. That's why we are as progressed as we are today: we were able to focus on other things besides survival, and meat had very little to do with it. That's part of the reason we're sitting here with high tech devices right now while others are still in 'off-the-grid- tribes in the middle of nowhere with no electricity or any modern day devices.

Also, many ancient humans avoided meat and had some of the best health records. The majority of Natives ate very little to no meat before whites invaded America. Choctaw, Mayan, Osage, Aztec, Pawnee, Zapotec, Mandans, Wichitas, Arikaras, Caddoans, Cherokee, Creek and Chicksaw lived largely vegan lifestyles. After all, Natives taught thievish Europeans how to crop the land that was eventually stolen from them, not how to kill animals.

[En_Sabah_Nur 9,359]

If it were me personally - I'd just wear Synthetic FUR myself!  

PETA does go WAYYYYYY too far though!

...And haven't evolutionary biologist concluded already that the human brain become more larger & more developed & more intelligent, once we started consuming meat?!

[User 352]

I don't trust PETA completely. But what Gaga does is wrong. It's against the life, it's far away from to be wise. Her behaviour is like from zombies...isn't our behaviour like from zombies ? We are a persecuted mass of people...anguish.

[ARTPOPdidntflop 3,987]

5 hours ago, monstereo said:

If you look at human evolution our ancient ancestors were able to thrive because of their ability to produce wheat and rice. (European and Asia) That's how their civilizations were able to grow powerful while others didn't: they were too busy struggling to find food while Europe/Asia had an abundance of it. That's why we are as progressed as we are today: we were able to focus on other things besides survival, and meat had very little to do with it. That's part of the reason we're sitting here with high tech devices right now while others are still in 'off-the-grid- tribes in the middle of nowhere with no electricity or any modern day devices.

This makes no sense.

 

I think you should educate yourself from something that isn't frilly internet sources. This is just random facts thrown in together.

Correlation doesn't = Causation

[kevinthesheep 2,947]

I'm a vegan and skeptical of PETA, agree they're a little shady. Despite this, wearing fur is disgusting and so ridiculously unnecessary... and I can't imagine Gaga doesn't realise how deplorable the fur industry is. On the other hand, as a vegan, I could say this about her decision to wear leather, or eat animal products, or her decision to literally dress in the flesh of an enslaved creature. It seems contradictory that I still support Gaga because of all this, but I see nothing wrong with this protest - if anything, it may make her aware of what she is wearing (but like I said, I highly doubt she doesn't realise). Mixed thoughts.