How in anyway is ARTPOP flopping Gaga's fault?

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she should've followed her heart in the first place

[SlaeUrAnus 15,955]

No one is blaming Gaga, but she made alot of false promises during that era that may have contributed to her downfall. 

Behind the scenes, most of the damage was because of Troy and we have established this multiple times.

However, Gaga was in FULL control of the music and artist direction she wanted to take and this just simply did not pay off. The music was subpar in my opinion and I was disappointed because I knew she could produce better.  

[FGGrayson 9,670]

17 hours ago, Didymus said:

"For ARTPOP, I was doing beats instead. I didn’t want to be near that damn [piano]. It was too emotional. I would start to play and sing, and my mind would go, ‘You are way too talented for this ****. F---, your voice sounds good. F---, that’s a beautiful chord. F---, that’s an amazing lyric. Why are you letting these people run you into the ground? When did you become the fashionable robot?’ Can’t being an artist be enough? Is talent ever the thing? I think for Adele it is. I think for Bruno Mars it is. But that’s what I learned from working with Tony: If talent isn’t the thing, then you are way off-base."

"This is the year I did what I wanted instead of trying to keep up with what I thought everyone else wanted from me."

That's enough for me.

No, she didn't say the album sucked, obviously, but it wasn't the truthful, daring, boundary-crushing artistic expression she and we wanted for a number of reasons. I don't see why there's anything wrong with admitting that.

she only admitted she was doing what she wanted :air:  how is that admitting the music sucked & was subpair, how do you get to those conclutions, i swear i want your mental process to know how u get to those ideas

[GloZell Green 11,723]

Well, for a flop album lots of people seem to talk about it and bring it up two years after, hm :trollga:  Funny how certain albums didn't get attention of their first day of release, but those albums aren't labeled flops, but defended with pathetic excuses.

[Manul 7,377]

It was not a flop. It sold millions, it produced 4 top 40 songs, 2 of them top 10.

Two years after, people still talk about it. Be it love or hate, it still means something to them so they keep going on and on about it. And two years after, it (and Gags herself) inspire others to take a fresh direction with their own music and getting artistic. I don't even have to mention the two most recent examples, y'all know who they are.

Maybe it was Gaga's fault, partly. Maybe she should have just followed her own vision instead of Interscope's, for the album itself and for how the era went.

But her ex manager and his team are the most at fault imo. Bad management (and Applause ) killed what was supposed to be the album's fantastic opening.

[StarstruckIllusion 52,575]

19 hours ago, JbGaga said:

Most annoying thing Gaga does for me personally is blame everyone for her mistakes or mis calculations or just ish in general.

nuh-uh-uh, hunty 

The whole point of this thread was to elaborate on this silly claim. So please, explain. 

[JbGaga 2,261]

58 minutes ago, ROARyals said:

nuh-uh-uh, hunty 

The whole point of this thread was to elaborate on this silly claim. So please, explain. 

I said alot more this person only took 1/10th of what I said..... Look up higher in the thread

[migamiga 12,101]

Of course it's her fault! She didn't renew her illuminati membership

[Whispering 18,865]

@Didymus

Gaga did not "admit that she had no artistic commitment". That is your interpretation of this interview and I disagree with your interpretation. How hard is that to understand? (Same basic question you just asked me) 

People are going to disagree with your opinions, speculations and interpretations. I simply disagree with you here. 

No, what you did was interpret Gaga's words in a certain way and instead of saying that this is what I think she is saying, you are saying that you know what she is meaning in this interview...and you don't. 

[Didymus 34,379]

6 hours ago, frankgutz said:

she only admitted she was doing what she wanted :air:  how is that admitting the music sucked & was subpair, how do you get to those conclutions, i swear i want your mental process to know how u get to those ideas

That's not what I said at all In fact, I repeated several times now that I'm exactly NOT saying that. Man, discussing things here is just ****ing pointless.

[Didymus 34,379]

2 hours ago, Whispering said:

@Didymus

No, what you did was interpret Gaga's words in a certain way and instead of saying that this is what I think she is saying, you are saying that you know what she is meaning in this interview...and you don't. 

That is not true In my last post I even pointed out what part is interpretation and what isn't

And I didn't say she had no artistic commitment, dude, I said "true" and "full" and I was clearly relating it to compromising your vision and showing your talent.

Let me try again with a different strategy then. Here is a factual timeline with quotes from her 2014-2015 interviews:

2013:
- she considered quitting being a pop star specifically
- "when being different is not in style it’s hard for me to function"
- "And so everyone’s looking at me, going: ‘Sooo... is it gonna be electronic?’ Or: ‘You’re gonna do dance music, right? [...] It’s a very unhealthy way to take care of an artist. We don’t do very well when we feel pressure. When we feel free and open, this is when creativity shines."
- "I feel sad when I'm overworked, and that I just become a money making machine, and that my passion and my creativity take a back seat."
- "you are way too talented for this sh-t"
- "why are you letting these people run you into the ground?"
- "when did you become the fashionable robot?"
- "I felt like I didn’t even know who I was any more."
- "Depression makes [your talents] harder to find."

2014:
- career reinvention
- "How can I stop [fame] from changing me?""
- "I'm loyal. But sometimes I'm too loyal. I'm not loyal enough to myself."
- "[my mother] has pulled the wool over my eyes"
- "[Tony] taught me to stay true to who I am, to not let anybody exploit me"
- "something I was craving for myself was a truly authentic collaboration, a true artistic exchange"
- "more than teaching me, it’s made me myself again"
- "what I learned from working with Tony: If talent isn’t the thing, then you are way off-base"
- "I realized that it's my own fault that people take advantage. I should be around people who cherish my talents, my health, my time. I'm not a pawn for anyone's future business. I'm an artist. I deserve better than to be loyal to people who only believe in me because I make money."

2015:
- "This is the year I did what I wanted instead of trying to keep up with what I thought everyone else wanted from me."
- "The thing that makes me happy is that piano" (≠ 2013)
- "if you can keep the human intact, that’s what you’re going to hear in the music" (≠ 2013: "fashionable robot")
- "Slowly but surely, I remembered who I am"

Lemme post my first two posts again to make sure no one misunderstands my intentions:

"If anyone blames her directly (which is not what I'm seeing mostly from people who have paid attention to the era) at all it's because her music was subpar. And ironically, she's sort of admitted that in her latest interview"

"No, she didn't say the album sucked, obviously, but it wasn't the truthful, daring, boundary-crushing artistic expression she and we wanted for a number of reasons. I don't see why there's anything wrong with admitting that."

@frankgutz You get me now?