87-year old jailed for Holocaust denial in Germany

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

Just now, Benji said:

In a world where you can spend the rest of your life in prison or even be put to death in some countries for killing one man... I think encouraging people to at least acknowledge the fact a genocide happened isn't asking much at all.

Sure... you can ask them to change their minds and hope they listen to reason.

Placing them in prison for failing to do so is not a logical or reasonable reaction. It's what you'd expect from a fascist government that imprisons those that fail to stand in line with their ideology.

[Melech 9,900]

3 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said:

They're only funny if you're part of the group

You can't say that the victims are defamed either. Their reputations as Holocaust survivors are intact, given that it is historical fact.

You don't jail someone for saying that 9/11 didn't happen. You laugh at them.

haha, that's true. Me and my jewish friends always make Jew jokes while get allergic when non-Jews do them. 

Well, it's defamed in that way that the woman didn't said that in private for example. She said those things on public platforms. The thing is that this is getting dangerous because it attract(ed) younger people. (Also the reputation are ****, believe me, my grandparents can't afford the most things.)

 

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

4 minutes ago, hmlswine said:

it's not any event in human history, it's an event that still has people sitting in jail... 

She lied in front of a judge... It's like saying a rapist didn't rape someone... normally you'd have a case, to determine whether the person is lying or not... in this case you can skip the legal process, since you know the person is lying... Because hypothetically speaking, if the woman had been right, they would have to free the people in jail / pay money to their families, it is linked to legal cases... 

History is that which happened in the past. The Paris attacks are an event in human history.

Also we're discussing the law itself at this point, not this particular case.

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

2 minutes ago, Simon said:

haha, that's true. Me and my jewish friends always make Jew jokes while get allergic when non-Jews do them. 

Well, it's defamed in that way that the woman didn't said that in private for example. She said those things on public platforms. The thing is that this is getting dangerous because it attract(ed) younger people. (Also the reputation are ****, believe me, my grandparents can't afford the most things.)

 

Trust me if people are so easily swayed, they'll do so eventually irrespective of what they heard on TV thanks to the wonders of the Internet.

Sorry about your grandparents.

[Melech 9,900]

5 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said:

Ok, I understand this but is homophobia hate speech? Same s-x marriage is not allowed though? Would a Christian who is not in agreement with same s-x marriage be hypothetically arrested? 

If someone said publicly "Stone the Gays" something would follow, yes. Though this country is based on homophobia. I think in the 90's the anti-gay law was gone. That was a little late

 

[Melech 9,900]

2 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said:

History is that which happened in the past. The Paris attacks are an event in human history.

Also we're discussing the law itself at this point, not this particular case.

Even if it happened in the past it still effects living generations and it's also proven that it impacts generations to follow psychologically. (if you are interested in it since you come from a persecuted minority to, i can send you a link)

[Benji 20,113]

1 minute ago, LebaneseDude said:

Sure... you can ask them to change their minds and hope they listen to reason.

Placing them in prison for failing to do so is not a logical or reasonable reaction. It's what you'd expect from a fascist government that imprisons those that fail to stand in line with their ideology.

When someone is spreading propaganda on a mass scale to the masses that encourages discrimination, they should be jailed?

I mean if we're playing this game, you also agree that we shouldn't arrest ISIS groomers? I mean they're just stating their opinion multiple times to vulnerable people? They're not doing anything wrong with this ideology?

[Qualle1 1,385]

Just now, Morphine Prince said:

Ok, I understand this but is homophobia hate speech? Same s-x marriage is not allowed though? Would a Christian who is not in agreement with same s-x marriage be hypothetically arrested? 

Ugh...

It is no problem and also no "statutory offense" to say in Germany "I am against gay marriage and would never support it!". But it would be hate speech and therefore a crime, if a person would say "God hates fags and all buggers should be killed and burn in hell, because every gay man is a vile child molester!".

Do you now understand the difference between "freedom of opinion" and "hate speech" here in Germany?

[Mobster 14,604]

17 minutes ago, LebaneseDude said:

History is that which happened in the past. The Paris attacks are an event in human history.

Also we're discussing the law itself at this point, not this particular case.

I was not discussing the law itself, I was just trying to explain how this law is not out of the blue and comparable to some other laws that limit speech. (I started discussing it, when I replied to someone who seemed surprised by the fact that speech can justify you going to jail)

The actual law prohibiting "holocaust denial" is simply categorized as an exception, it really has more to do with how sensitive the topic is, that's why it's only illegal in German-speaking countries...

As for hate speech in general, it's a broader concept, that I only partially mentioned when I said why Trump would not be in jail.

[Morphine Prince 109,682]

3 minutes ago, Qualle1 said:

Ugh...

It is no problem and also no "statutory offense" to say in Germany "I am against gay marriage and would never support it!". But it would be hate speech and therefore a crime, if a person would say "God hates fags and all buggers should be killed and burn in hell, because every gay man is a vile child molester!".

Do you now understand the difference between "freedom of opinion" and "hate speech" here in Germany?

THANK YOU for finally answering. 

Also, who is in charge of what hate speech is? Can new phrases or words be added to these laws? 

[Qualle1 1,385]

Maybe all of you SJW should have a closer at the Wikipedia page of this vile Nazi-Grandma to see, that this evil b---h has already several times been convicted - and rightly so!

[Qualle1 1,385]

11 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said:

THANK YOU for finally answering. 

Also, who is in charge of what hate speech is? Can new phrases or words be added to these laws? 

What do you mean with "adding new phrases or words"?

I don't understand you.

 

[Morphine Prince 109,682]

1 minute ago, Qualle1 said:

What do you mean with "adding new phrases or words"?

I don't understand you.

 

How can something become hate speech is what I'm asking. German society will change. Something not considered offensive now might be hate speech in 100 years. Who reviews language and decides it should be added to hate speech legislation? 

[Morphine Prince 109,682]

11 minutes ago, Qualle1 said:

Maybe all of you SJW should have a closer at the Wikipedia page of this vile Nazi-Grandma to see, that this evil b---h has already several times been convicted - and rightly so!

I think SJW would agree with laws like this though... 

[Qualle1 1,385]

1 minute ago, Morphine Prince said:

How can something become hate speech is what I'm asking. German society will change. Something not considered offensive now might be hate speech in 100 years. Who reviews language and decides it should be added to hate speech legislation? 

The German judiciary.