Would Iggy Azalea be taken more seriously if she was black?

[Javier Gallo 199]

Only if she could rap without saying her name

[Harry 26,836]

47 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

No, my point is that if Iggy is a bad rapper, it still shouldn't stop her getting praise from most outlets seeing as bad rappers don't have a problem getting praise. Fetty Wap's atrocious album got an average of 7/10 from most publications, for crying out loud! I could say the same for many other terrible rap albums. The bar doesn't seem to be set very high. Being untalented isn't a barrier to praise and acceptance, that much is clear. So, why does Iggy suffer? Although they're rare, we have seen international rappers get praise and we have seen female rappers get praise, so maybe her nationality and gender aren't an issue. So, all that's left is the superficial elements of race. Just an observation. I may not have rock solid proof that her race plays a role in the hate against her but neither do you have any proof that her race doesn't play a role.

She wasn't clueless for thinking that freestyling didn't need beats. A lot of freestyles are acapella, most ones I've heard are acapella, as it allows more freedom to have the rap go in whatever direction you want, allowing for greater creativity. Some prefer to use beats, others don't, simple. But in this case, I think she was just using an excuse to go acapella by taking issue with the beat because the lyrics to New Bitch didn't work with the beat they gave her, that's all. A good save, albeit messy in the long run. I can understand why she did it, though. If she was honest, her career could have ended on the spot. By being dishonest, she could extend her career that bit longer. What would you have done in the same situation? And as I said before, there's no way of telling if a freestyle is a genuine freestyle, partiularly if the rapper knows they're going to do it in advance.

But it's a natural thing for most singers to change their accent when they sing! It doesn't make them fake, it's how a lot of us are conditioned from birth, when the music scene is dominated by Americans. Most of us don't even know what our natural singing voices sound like as we're used to copying the original singer. Even if you do keep your real accent, it will still sound different, nuances and swagger and dramatics and stuff. Yes, there are Australian rappers that keep their real accent and good for them, but it's not everyone's preference. Some of us just think a different accent sounds better or it's there for artistic reasons. Or pressure. You're British - you must know that a London accent is the only "accepted" rap accent around here and if someone rapped in say, a Liverpudlian or Glaswegian accent, they'd get laughed at. If your true self gets laughed at, you won't get credibility, so you have to change. I bet if Iggy rapped in an Aussie accent, people would still take the mick, maybe even moreso. Rap says it wants people to show their real roots, then laughs at them if those real roots aren't to their taste. Just because I don't mind whatever accent a rapper has (unless it sounds ridiculous) does not mean that I'm ignorant about rap. I just view credibility through the music, not the voice it's put down in. Ever since I was a teenager, I never had a top 40 mindst, I can assure you. This is why I review music - so I can discover music outside the top 40. Seeing as you were talking about Logic, I found this great video where he talks about Iggy and her accent and I wholeheartedly agree:

At the end of the day, it's art and entertainment and it's up to the artist how they present themselves.

Well, naturally they're going to deny it. Just like celebrities deny taking d--gs and going to rehab and everything else. Do you really think they're going to honest?

I do accept other opinions and I'm certainly grown up. I just think that other people's opinions can be prejudiced and I'm questioning the reasons behind why they have them. Conditioning has a lot to answer for when it comes to the music we like and the artists who respect. The media can be monsters in this game. They can make a great artist out to be terrible if they set out to make them fail whether it's uncovering negative stories about them or giving them bad reviews and so on - look at Lana. She's the perfect example. Right from the start, she was "exposed" as a millionaire's daughter who got her career bought for her and much was reported about her cringey SNL performance. 3 years later, so many people still think she didn't work hard for her career and that she still can't sing all because of how the media tried to bring her down. I feel like Iggy is someone who the media set up to fail as well. And as a music lover who appreciates how hard artists have to work to make it and how talented some are, I can't bear to see the public being conditioned to dislike them before they've even got properly started.

How can you not see that you're just basing it off subjectivity? You think Fetty Wap's album is 'atrocious', fine. But obviously other people don't. You really need to get over yourself in thinking that your opinion in gospel. It's your opinion. It has nothing to do with race.

If I was in the same situation I wouldn't have pretended I was a rapper because I'm not a fraud like she is. She doesn't know anything and neither do you.

You keep talking about how much you review albums and it's honestly boring to me because you're clearly incapable of having a discussion and using points to support your opinion other than your own personal taste and it's BS. I'm not watching a ten minute video of what Logic says about Iggy Azalea because unlike you I have my own formed opinions. You even only heard about Logic when I mentioned him to you so don't bring up lesser known rappers to make it seem like you have a clue.

It's up to the artist to present themselves, absolutely. And it's up to the audience how they receive that. So why can't you accept that a lot of people don't like how she presents herself and move on?

Don't compare Iggy to Lana, it's not the same at all. Lana had her skeptics at her beginning mainly because of that one performance which affected the critical reception of her first album which is now looked back on favourably because people know she's real. There is nothing about Iggy that suggests she's real.

You keep justifying talents of people like Lana and Eminem by saying they get praise and awards etc but then when it comes to someone like Iggy you say all that stuff is meaningless because it's all prejudice blah blah blah. You constantly contradict yourself. Just because you write an essay each time doesn't mean you're informed or consistent and I'm so tired of it. People have different opinions with music and that's why it's so great. I can't believe you're so childish.

Your superiority complex is so tiring to me. Some people don't like Iggy Azalea and that's a totally valid and acceptable reason to have. Stop acting like a child by insisting the only reason people don't is because she's white. You're very close minded.

[Dangerous Man 9,245]

No. She would be ignored just like how the gp ignore many black talented female rappers. 

[StrawberryBlond 14,102]

57 minutes ago, Harry said:

How can you not see that you're just basing it off subjectivity? You think Fetty Wap's album is 'atrocious', fine. But obviously other people don't. You really need to get over yourself in thinking that your opinion in gospel. It's your opinion. It has nothing to do with race.

If I was in the same situation I wouldn't have pretended I was a rapper because I'm not a fraud like she is. She doesn't know anything and neither do you.

You keep talking about how much you review albums and it's honestly boring to me because you're clearly incapable of having a discussion and using points to support your opinion other than your own personal taste and it's BS. I'm not watching a ten minute video of what Logic says about Iggy Azalea because unlike you I have my own formed opinions. You even only heard about Logic when I mentioned him to you so don't bring up lesser known rappers to make it seem like you have a clue.

It's up to the artist to present themselves, absolutely. And it's up to the audience how they receive that. So why can't you accept that a lot of people don't like how she presents herself and move on?

Don't compare Iggy to Lana, it's not the same at all. Lana had her skeptics at her beginning mainly because of that one performance which affected the critical reception of her first album which is now looked back on favourably because people know she's real. There is nothing about Iggy that suggests she's real.

You keep justifying talents of people like Lana and Eminem by saying they get praise and awards etc but then when it comes to someone like Iggy you say all that stuff is meaningless because it's all prejudice blah blah blah. You constantly contradict yourself. Just because you write an essay each time doesn't mean you're informed or consistent and I'm so tired of it. People have different opinions with music and that's why it's so great. I can't believe you're so childish.

Your superiority complex is so tiring to me. Some people don't like Iggy Azalea and that's a totally valid and acceptable reason to have. Stop acting like a child by insisting the only reason people don't is because she's white. You're very close minded.

But it's not completely based on subjectivity. It's based on what most people would consider a bad listening experience. Fetty Wap does all the worst things a rapper can do in rap that make it completely unlistenable. I don't know why anyone would want to listen to an album where someone sounds like they're rapping with their mouth open constantly, can't construct coherent sentences, speaks in an unintelligable way. That's where the objectivity part of my reviewing comes in. Most people think Fetty Wap is also terrible but the critics don't agree. They of all people should know a thing or two about what makes music listenable. But still, I'm not saying my opinion's gospel and I never did. It's purely you who is interpreting it like that. People online tend to think everyone else thinks their opinion is gospel, I find. They feel the need to say "You do realise this is just your opinion, right?" as if we don't know what that is or feel the need to put a disclaimer in front of everything we say.

I don't know anything, do I? Well, you do know that's just your opinion, right?

That's funny because I could say the same thing about you - you seem incapable of having a discussion that isn't dominated by your personal taste. Putting forward our tastes is what makes a discussion a discussion. You just don't seem to like being challenged. Which is why you're always quoting me when I say something you disagree with. I've used many points in my arguments, you just brush them aside. You should know that one of the biggest compliments I've had on this site is that all my opinions are well researched, so even if others disagree, they're at least respectable. I don't mind if you disagree but do not say that I don't present research. It could have been anyone in the video - I found the video after seeing a recommended video with Logic in it, listened to one of his songs, and then this video came up. I watched it and thought it seemed relevant. Nothing more than that. I'm not asking you to agree with him, just see if he has a point. And also because you might get the point better if it's coming from someone other than me seeing as you don't seem to understand what I'm getting at when I make the same point.

I understand that not everyone likes the way she presents herself but the problem is when they're saying it's offensive and fake. It's just her way of presenting herself. It's no different from any other singer changing their voice when they sing and if this is how she prefers doing it, then that's real. Like I said before, I really don't think she can win. I think if she rapped in her Aussie accent, she'd be mocked even more, to be honest.

You know what informs me that Iggy is real? Her interviews. She's so sweet, humble and kind. She says she just wants to be friends with other female rappers instead of fighting, she wasn't bitter about not winning a Grammy, she has confidence without having a big ego. It's so rare to find a rapper who doesn't have an attitude problem. She's got that quiet confidence that doesn't come from insecurity. It's what puts me off a lot of rappers but she has a nice aura about her. That's real to me.

It's not a contradiction. I'm just saying that some artists can have it all and there's a reason for that. Sometimes the critics can be genuine, sometimes they're not. But even with people like Lana and Eminem, I'm sure they're conditioned too. They didn't give Lana good reviews at the beginning as they felt that it wasn't "the right thing" but turned around like the sheep they were later. With Eminem, well, he's one of my legends who it's considered "the done thing" to give good reviews to no matter what, another attitude I can't stand. It's all BS and Iggy gets the same treatment. I write "an essay" each time just because I have a lot to say, not because I'm trying to prove anything. I have no problem with different opinions, I've been saying that's what makes music interesting too. All I'm saying is that I'd like to find out the reasons why people have the opinions they do. You seem determined to paint me as childish and I don't know why. Everything I've said has been completely mature - you're the one who's getting your toys out because you can't take a different opinion.

I don't have a superiority complex, you do. Because you don't seem to listen to the opposition and are determined to block out everything they say and misinterpret it. I'm not the first to think this about you either. I'm not dictating anyone's opinions, just working out why they have them (a lot of people don't even know why they hold the opinions they do). I'm not close minded, you're the one who's being close minded by not accepting my opinion. If you accepted it, you wouldn't be quoting me and battling it out to win.

[Harry 26,836]

1 hour ago, StrawberryBlond said:

But it's not completely based on subjectivity. It's based on what most people would consider a bad listening experience. Fetty Wap does all the worst things a rapper can do in rap that make it completely unlistenable. I don't know why anyone would want to listen to an album where someone sounds like they're rapping with their mouth open constantly, can't construct coherent sentences, speaks in an unintelligable way. That's where the objectivity part of my reviewing comes in. Most people think Fetty Wap is also terrible but the critics don't agree. They of all people should know a thing or two about what makes music listenable. But still, I'm not saying my opinion's gospel and I never did. It's purely you who is interpreting it like that. People online tend to think everyone else thinks their opinion is gospel, I find. They feel the need to say "You do realise this is just your opinion, right?" as if we don't know what that is or feel the need to put a disclaimer in front of everything we say.

I don't know anything, do I? Well, you do know that's just your opinion, right?

That's funny because I could say the same thing about you - you seem incapable of having a discussion that isn't dominated by your personal taste. Putting forward our tastes is what makes a discussion a discussion. You just don't seem to like being challenged. Which is why you're always quoting me when I say something you disagree with. I've used many points in my arguments, you just brush them aside. You should know that one of the biggest compliments I've had on this site is that all my opinions are well researched, so even if others disagree, they're at least respectable. I don't mind if you disagree but do not say that I don't present research. It could have been anyone in the video - I found the video after seeing a recommended video with Logic in it, listened to one of his songs, and then this video came up. I watched it and thought it seemed relevant. Nothing more than that. I'm not asking you to agree with him, just see if he has a point. And also because you might get the point better if it's coming from someone other than me seeing as you don't seem to understand what I'm getting at when I make the same point.

I understand that not everyone likes the way she presents herself but the problem is when they're saying it's offensive and fake. It's just her way of presenting herself. It's no different from any other singer changing their voice when they sing and if this is how she prefers doing it, then that's real. Like I said before, I really don't think she can win. I think if she rapped in her Aussie accent, she'd be mocked even more, to be honest.

You know what informs me that Iggy is real? Her interviews. She's so sweet, humble and kind. She says she just wants to be friends with other female rappers instead of fighting, she wasn't bitter about not winning a Grammy, she has confidence without having a big ego. It's so rare to find a rapper who doesn't have an attitude problem. She's got that quiet confidence that doesn't come from insecurity. It's what puts me off a lot of rappers but she has a nice aura about her. That's real to me.

It's not a contradiction. I'm just saying that some artists can have it all and there's a reason for that. Sometimes the critics can be genuine, sometimes they're not. But even with people like Lana and Eminem, I'm sure they're conditioned too. They didn't give Lana good reviews at the beginning as they felt that it wasn't "the right thing" but turned around like the sheep they were later. With Eminem, well, he's one of my legends who it's considered "the done thing" to give good reviews to no matter what, another attitude I can't stand. It's all BS and Iggy gets the same treatment. I write "an essay" each time just because I have a lot to say, not because I'm trying to prove anything. I have no problem with different opinions, I've been saying that's what makes music interesting too. All I'm saying is that I'd like to find out the reasons why people have the opinions they do. You seem determined to paint me as childish and I don't know why. Everything I've said has been completely mature - you're the one who's getting your toys out because you can't take a different opinion.

I don't have a superiority complex, you do. Because you don't seem to listen to the opposition and are determined to block out everything they say and misinterpret it. I'm not the first to think this about you either. I'm not dictating anyone's opinions, just working out why they have them (a lot of people don't even know why they hold the opinions they do). I'm not close minded, you're the one who's being close minded by not accepting my opinion. If you accepted it, you wouldn't be quoting me and battling it out to win.

oh god you're so tired. every time i converse with you it's an unpleasant experience. i'm done trying to reason with you.

you can say people think whatever they want about me but i don't care, i know a lot of people who think you're full of crap as well. good job trying to make me feel small though. i have accepted your opinion but now you've proved to me that it's dirt by continually ignoring my statements and resorting to these playground moves to one-up me. i have literally said over and over: some people like iggy, some people don't. get over it. people have genuine criticisms towards her and it's fine but you simply think it's because she's white. boo hoo. get over yourself already.

[StrawberryBlond 14,102]

27 minutes ago, Harry said:

oh god you're so tired. every time i converse with you it's an unpleasant experience. i'm done trying to reason with you.

you can say people think whatever they want about me but i don't care, i know a lot of people who think you're full of crap as well. good job trying to make me feel small though. i have accepted your opinion but now you've proved to me that it's dirt by continually ignoring my statements and resorting to these playground moves to one-up me. i have literally said over and over: some people like iggy, some people don't. get over it. people have genuine criticisms towards her and it's fine but you simply think it's because she's white. boo hoo. get over yourself already.

I'm unpleasant to talk to? I've been very respectful whereas you've resorted to insult after insult. You're the one who cannot be reasoned with. If you find me so difficult to talk to, why do you insist on quoting me every time I say something you disagree with? Do you just enjoy arguing?

Well, I try not to care either. My supporters outnumber my detractors. Whenever someone makes me feel upset, there's always someone to defend me (which is more than I can say for my situation in reality). I don't know if anyone could make you feel small because you have such a big ego that bats aways any criticism you get. You're convinced I ignore your statements just because I don't agree with them. It's possible to understand something and still disagree with it. I don't even know if you try to understand the way I feel. I never said that any criticism Iggy gets is because she's white, I've made criticisms of her too. But I think her race is a factor, that's all. The only one who needs to get over themselves is you. As usual, you're the only one who's taken massive offence to my opinion when everyone else doesn't seem all that phased by it. I think you've got something against me and I find it frankly hurtful when I've never done anything to warrant this hate from you. It just came out the blue one day and its never stopped.

[Harry 26,836]

40 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

I'm unpleasant to talk to? I've been very respectful whereas you've resorted to insult after insult. You're the one who cannot be reasoned with. If you find me so difficult to talk to, why do you insist on quoting me every time I say something you disagree with? Do you just enjoy arguing?

Well, I try not to care either. My supporters outnumber my detractors. Whenever someone makes me feel upset, there's always someone to defend me (which is more than I can say for my situation in reality). I don't know if anyone could make you feel small because you have such a big ego that bats aways any criticism you get. You're convinced I ignore your statements just because I don't agree with them. It's possible to understand something and still disagree with it. I don't even know if you try to understand the way I feel. I never said that any criticism Iggy gets is because she's white, I've made criticisms of her too. But I think her race is a factor, that's all. The only one who needs to get over themselves is you. As usual, you're the only one who's taken massive offence to my opinion when everyone else doesn't seem all that phased by it. I think you've got something against me and I find it frankly hurtful when I've never done anything to warrant this hate from you. It just came out the blue one day and its never stopped.

you made this entire thread just because people disagreed with you before.

you can also keep telling me how great everyone thinks you are but once again i don't care. through each of these exchanges i've come to learn that you're stuck up, basically abhorrent, and you're set on making me feel bad but it ain't gonna happen.

[StrawberryBlond 14,102]

9 hours ago, Harry said:

you made this entire thread just because people disagreed with you before.

you can also keep telling me how great everyone thinks you are but once again i don't care. through each of these exchanges i've come to learn that you're stuck up, basically abhorrent, and you're set on making me feel bad but it ain't gonna happen.

I made the thread because the last one was a mess, we had started talking about Iggy anyway and a mod was telling us to stay on topic and take the discussion elsewhere (and you can get infracted if you don't). So it made sense. That's all.

Well, it's your loss if you never get to see the true person I am, then. If you choose to judge me purely on the exchanges we have (such exchanges only begin because you always instigate an argument with me, never the other way around), well, you've got some nerve lecturing me about being biased and stuck up.

 

[Manul 7,377]

Well, a lot of her exposure came from being a white female rapper imo. So she wouldn't be as famous? As for being taken more seriously, I think so.

Also, Lana >>>>> any/all rappers combined.

[Harry 26,836]

3 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

I made the thread because the last one was a mess, we had started talking about Iggy anyway and a mod was telling us to stay on topic and take the discussion elsewhere (and you can get infracted if you don't). So it made sense. That's all.

Well, it's your loss if you never get to see the true person I am, then. If you choose to judge me purely on the exchanges we have (such exchanges only begin because you always instigate an argument with me, never the other way around), well, you've got some nerve lecturing me about being biased and stuck up.

 

translation: you couldn't accept that people don't like iggy for any other reason than her ethnicity.

you're intolerant, racially ignorant, a slut-shamer and childish. i don't think i'm missing much.

[Tropico 4,145]

On 15/11/2015, 23:59:41, Harry said:

For goodness sake why would you make this thread? It will just go round and round in circles because some people think she's crap and some people think she's great. That's how the world works.

Your entire argument is based around the fact you think she's "good". That's all. You have no evidence to suggest that her ethnicity alone plays any part. The only reason her whiteness comes into it is because of her past racist comments and her cluelessness when it comes to addressing/responding to the totally valid criticisms and concerns aimed at her. I'm sorry but any white person proudly calling themselves a slave master in a music video whilst cracking a whip is an absolute MORON and has no clue, no matter how many times they apologise for it.

In regards to whether her 'talent' would be taken seriously - no. I'm sure we've all seen these.

Any rapper, black, white, Asian or anything else would be laughed at if they spouted their lyrics out in that unintelligible way. I can barely understand her whenever I see her performing live, and I have actually seen her live. Studio does wonders.

With the freestyle video, there's so many things to say about it that have no doubt been brought up a million times that I won't even bother. If you think it shows anything more than an untalented and phony rapper then you're as clueless as she is. The way she delivers a verse from her album under the guise of a freestyle, the way T.I. literally starts pacing the room in sheer panic as soon as he realises what she's been asked to do because he knows that his little manufactured machine is incapable.

The accent she puts on only to rap is embarrassing and borderline offensive.

Her ghostwriter has come forward. What does she actually do?

Maybe she is subject to more scrutiny in the rap game as a white person, just as Eminem was when his career began. The difference there is that... none of the above points apply to him. Sure, she's a woman too. And there is definitely discrimination against women in hip-hop. I still don't think most straight male hip-hop fans respect Nicki or even Kim. So that probably doesn't help her.

You could even play devil's advocate and argue that being the only 'white girl' of hip-hop helped her get attention.

If she was black none of the stuff I said about her critics would be valid, and it would only be the 'talent' issues that were relevant. So with that considered, I'm going to say no.

I am SLAYED.  The undeniable tea has been spilled. Why is this still open tbh? 

[Tropico 4,145]

I think the most offensive thing I've seen in this thread is people comparing Nicki to Iggy.  Nicki is far superior and has put in lots of work to make it to the top. She realized her gender already put her in a tough position in the rap industry but she never cried about it. What did she do? She took on both the male and female rappers. Let's not forget she rapped on a song with legends Kanye West and Jay Z. And critics recognize her verse as the best. (The song is Monster if weren't aware) She even utalized her female s-xuality to prevail. 

Nicki's live shows are always amazing too. 

When Azalea can get on this level, hit me up. Until then, it is ludicrous to even compare her to Nicki. 

[ARTPOPdidntflop 3,987]

20 minutes ago, Tropico said:

I think the most offensive thing I've seen in this thread is people comparing Nicki to Iggy.  Nicki is far superior and has put in lots of work to make it to the top. She realized her gender already put her in a tough position in the rap industry but she never cried about it. What did she do? She took on both the male and female rappers. Let's not forget she rapped on a song with legends Kanye West and Jay Z. And critics recognize her verse as the best. (The song is Monster if weren't aware) She even utalized her female s-xuality to prevail. 

Nicki's live shows are always amazing too. 

When Azalea can get on this level, hit me up. Until then, it is ludicrous to even compare her to Nicki. 

Mte. I really can't understand people who try and compare Nicki's flow to Iggy's. It's like comparing singers like Paris Hilton to Beyonce . I guess it's people just being bitter

[StrawberryBlond 14,102]

25 minutes ago, Harry said:

translation: you couldn't accept that people don't like iggy for any other reason than her ethnicity.

you're intolerant, racially ignorant, a slut-shamer and childish. i don't think i'm missing much.

No, I do accept that some people don't like her for her raps, flow, image and so on. I totally understand why. But is it too much to ask that we at least consider any other factors playing a role? It's not to say that it's the only factor or that everyone takes this factor into account. But it is a valid thing to consider. My aim is more to discuss than to argue until someone wins. And no one really wins anyway seeing how music is mostly subjective.

And those accusations show that you know nothing about me and you've repeatedly got the wrong end of the stick. Please note that I was never mean to you. I even liked something you said once. So, where does all this hate towards me come from? Why can't you state your opinion without alays quoting mine to argue with it? What do I have to do to make you like me at all?

Just now, Tropico said:

I think the most offensive thing I've seen in this thread is people comparing Nicki to Iggy.  Nicki is far superior and has put in lots of work to make it to the top. She realized her gender already put her in a tough position in the rap industry but she never cried about it. What did she do? She took on both the male and female rappers. Let's not forget she rapped on a song with legends Kanye West and Jay Z. And critics recognize her verse as the best. (The song is Monster if weren't aware) She even utalized her female s-xuality to prevail. 

Nicki's live shows are always amazing too. 

When Azalea can get on this level, hit me up. Until then, it is ludicrous to even compare her to Nicki. 

And Iggy hasn't worked to make it to the top? She put out EP's and found a following online and worked her way from there. She even said no label wanted to put money into her until she'd built a fanbase first. This was a great video where she talked about the myth of old white men ruining rap music and dictating what music is popular. She speaks nothing but utter truth. Check out 3:35-8:08 for her best point of all:

Nicki actually has brought up her gender many times and complained about it being the reason why she gets overlooked (she's always blaming someone, I find). I admit, she has good verses sometimes. Monster is a classic example. But as for her rapping, well, I've always found it incredibly irritating. I don't know what you hear in the clip but I hear a really silly, bimbo way of talking, bad breath control, you can't even decipher the words she's saying towards the end and it just sounds messy in general. The best rapping is when it's fast but you can hear everything. Busta Rhymes's rap on Look At Me Now is the best flow I've ever heard and this is how to do rap fast but still be intelligible. After listening to that, I don't know how Nicki's rap here can be taken seriously. We all pick up sounds differently, I should know, I'm a sound fetishist! Flow is therefore subjective a lot of the time. I find Iggy's flow good, not the best, but I can hear every word she says (apart from at Splash, but I think she was just trying too hard) and that defines a good flow to me. I don't care how fast you can rhyme, if I can't decipher the nonsense you're spewing, it's not good to me. If your voice sounds terrible in itself, it's also not good to me. Nicki has talent but she hardly ever applies it correctly. She's released some absurdly terrible songs before. Muny, Roman In Moscow, Stupid Hoe, Roman Holiday, Starships, Come On A Cone, I Endorse These Strippers, Anaconda, Trini Dem Girls, Wamables...not to mention the crowning glory, that Itty Bitty Piggy monstrosity from her mixtape. I have no idea why this trash is called good. So, naturally, I look to other reasons why. My only conclusion was race - we just look upon black rappers more favourably and overlook their very serious flaws. Why, I have no idea, but I certainly don't discriminate in music. If music's good, I'll call it good, if it's bad, I'll call it bad. I don't care who releases it or how famous they are or what their race or background is.

[ARTPOPdidntflop 3,987]

2 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

She's released some absurdly terrible songs before. Muny, Roman In Moscow, Stupid Hoe, Roman Holiday, Starships, Come On A Cone, I Endorse These Strippers, Anaconda, Trini Dem Girls, Wamables...not to mention the crowning glory, that Itty Bitty Piggy monstrosity from her mixtape. I have no idea why this trash is called good. So, naturally, I look to other reasons why. My only conclusion was race - we just look upon black rappers more favourably and overlook their very serious flaws. Why, I have no idea, but I certainly don't discriminate in music. If music's good, I'll call it good, if it's bad, I'll call it bad. I don't care who releases it or how famous they are or what their race or background is.

You're not very familiar with the Rap genre. You call those things trash but all those raps are literally way better than anything iggy has written. 

Just because something isn't serious and is fun doesn't mean it's "Trash". Starships is a fun light pop song. Don't be a negative nancy