No refugees anymore for Poland after Paris attacks: minister

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8 hours ago, mic said:

I hate the new government in my country but this time around they are right. 

the Western Europe have ****ed themself over, wanting some cheap labour and enhancing reputation as the 'good ones'. 

Can somebody explain me why these immigrants don't go to Saudi Arabia, Emirates and other rich Arabic countries? Why they choose Europe? I heard the main incentive is the financial support from the government but I don't know if it's true.

 

22 hours ago, Gaga of Time said:

Talk to Saudi Arabia who had small population compared to its size (12 habitants/km²). And are promoting "peace" through their religion. And have enough money to live off with Syria and all the other countries of the Middle East combined.

Or talk to Emirates, or Qatar, these countries share same roots, language, culture and religion, yet they chose not to have any Syrian refugee plans.

And don't say "our own governments have responsibility for the Syrian-IS war" because that is based on no fact! ISIS is a network of devil people, coming from Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad, Tanzim Qaidat al-Jihad fi Bilad al-Rafidayn and Mujahideen Shura Council. Moreover, it's not the time to find who is the culprit and who is the victim because the fact is : There are victims, and that should stop as soon as the humanity can stop it!

As long as you don't figure out the very problem, you won't be able to think of a good solution.

Saudi Arabia took 2 million refugee in but they are not signed or treated as refugees because they gave them legal temporary residency and more than 100,00 syrian students entered Saudi public schools and gave out 700 million dollars as humanitarian aids. Not to mention the many camps the Saudi governments has opened outside the country.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/09/saudi-arabia-denies-giving-syrians-sanctuary-150912050746572.html

Also, these people are not refugees and if you made the mistake to take them in why do you want to force everyone to do the same mistake?

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1 hour ago, Fays1 said:

 

Saudi Arabia took 2 million refugee in but they are not signed or treated as refugees because they gave them legal temporary residency and more than 100,00 syrian students entered Saudi public schools and gave out 700 million dollars as humanitarian aids. Not to mention the many camps the Saudi governments has opened outside the country.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/09/saudi-arabia-denies-giving-syrians-sanctuary-150912050746572.html

Also, these people are not refugees and if you made the mistake to take them in why do you want to force everyone to do the same mistake?

Then they can do the Syrians a favor and take more refugees. They are culturally closer to them than, say, Europe.

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55 minutes ago, Gaga of Time said:

Then they can do the Syrians a favor and take more refugees. They are culturally closer to them than, say, Europe.

My whole comment was showing you that they took refugees but they dont treat them as refugees.. they treat them as citizens. Also its not a good idea to take in their refugees just because europe did it, doesnt mean the whole world should do it. Also, they are not really refugees.

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14 hours ago, Truth said:

 

 I was told that the dole in Poland is only about 150-200 euro a month (there is a different currency, but their prices are much more "European", so it is still a good idea to tell it in euro as it's so less and is not enough to survive even in Poland).

Even if you work you might end up being paid 300-400 euro a month which would be ok if you would pay much less in stores but for example fuel, just normal 95 benzine costs about 1.10 euro. For us going there that is great but when you travel to work and you need your car you basically are left with barely anything.

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20 minutes ago, MonsterMum said:

Even if you work you might end up being paid 300-400 euro a month which would be ok if you would pay much less in stores but for example fuel, just normal 95 benzine costs about 1.10 euro. For us going there that is great but when you travel to work and you need your car you basically are left with barely anything.

This is roughly how I see it, I work with some Polish people and we talk a lot, also about the situation in Poland. They tell me that not only it's difficult to find a job, but usually they are also very badly paid (even 1€ per hour is possible in some areas - just like slavery, literally), abroad it's easy to earn at least 5 times more for occupying exactly the same position and doing exactly the same tasks. Meanwhile the prices in stores, for fuel, etc. do don't differ that much as you gave me an example with petrol. Another problem is that the prices of flats are high, my colleague told me that she had to move from the East of Poland to Warsaw, because there wasn't any job for her close to where she lived. In Warsaw she found one, but she earned too little and it was just to afford the bare necessities like tickets for communication, food, etc. and she couldn't save any money. She was forced to rent a room in a flat, renting a flat was more than her payment per month and she didn't know anyone in Warsaw. By the way, she studied food science, so it is not that she lacks the education and that's why her situation wasn't good.  She was working in laboratories mainly and wanted to work in her field more, however, such industry in not developed in Poland yet. So people are paid too little, they do not work at all or they leave to other countries. It's sad that this is the situation even of those who are well educated and eager to work, abroad they usually are very good employees (however, every nation has its "black sleep" and those are also to be seen, that's why so many stereotypes). I used to be an ignorant, I can admit, I was even laughing at those silly jokes about Polish, but since I learned how everything looks in Poland, I feel sorry for Poles, to me it's unbelievable. However, I hope everything will get better there with time, Poland has been independent only for about 20 years so far, so it is still nothing compared to countries like Switzerland, France or Germany. By the way, even the differences between West and East Germany are visible up to this day, regardless of the huge sums of money that  are being invested there. Such amounts are not given to develop Poland, so I assume it will take much more time to reach the typically European standard of living there.

[AquaFire Witch 160]

It took the Paris attacks for people not to trust these refugees! I saw German citizens standing with signs welcoming them and then saw interviews with refugees complaining about the food and the housing they were freely given. And then reported rapes and beatings of German citizens by these refugees.

I'm in Texas and we got slammed bad by the media for being hateful with not allowing the refugees into our state............well now 16 other states have also blocked them access!

I feel bad for those good people trying to break free, but we gotta protect our own first.

[Mr Ricky 9,089]

Yet the refugees can't accept any help in this country tho. They are unsatisfied with the LUXURY they get in this country. It's even more sad, that our government let them get run over by these refugees. 

Demanding, an own place, when people who live here has to wait 7-10 years in order to get their own place. Complaining they get the same food for the pas few weeks. (WHATS WRONG WITH U, ITS STILL FOOD YOU ARE GETTING). Complaining that there is no TV in their room, but they have the freedom to walk outside and have other privileges in the place they have to stay at. They are given a place to stay at, it's not paradise, but it's something you should never use as a complain just because you want more? You have been accepted for a stay in our country, how can you be so ignorant to demand more. 

HECK they even get MONEY. 12 euros a week, that's enough if you bundle it up with the rest to create a normal lifestyle. 

Go FIND a job, do something worth, and stop complaining. These are refugees who are not uneducated, they can get theirselves a job. And trust me, it's not that hard.

[Melech 9,900]

3 minutes ago, Mr Ricky said:

Yet the refugees can't accept any help in this country tho. They are unsatisfied with the LUXURY they get in this country. It's even more sad, that our government let them get run over by these refugees. 

Demanding, an own place, when people who live here has to wait 7-10 years in order to get their own place. Complaining they get the same food for the pas few weeks. (WHATS WRONG WITH U, ITS STILL FOOD YOU ARE GETTING). Complaining that there is no TV in their room, but they have the freedom to walk outside and have other privileges in the place they have to stay at. They are given a place to stay at, it's not paradise, but it's something you should never use as a complain just because you want more? You have been accepted for a stay in our country, how can you be so ignorant to demand more. 

HECK they even get MONEY. 12 euros a week, that's enough if you bundle it up with the rest to create a normal lifestyle. 

Go FIND a job, do something worth, and stop complaining. These are refugees who are not uneducated, they can get theirselves a job. And trust me, it's not that hard.

I think the majority wants to work though. I don't know how it is in the Netherlands, but here refugees can't directly get on the job market. Also I saw a lot refugees being thankful. 

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2 minutes ago, Simon said:

I think the majority wants to work though. I don't know how it is in the Netherlands, but here refugees can't directly get on the job market. Also I saw a lot refugees being thankful. 

Refugees even get the offer to have a job, it's not the most worthy job, but you still get paid. Ofcourse not every refugee can get their hands on a job, but most of them, with just using that little effort can have a job. At my place, many immigrants have a job, they clean up the places. I don't see them complain, I greet them with joy, they actually smile. 

There are many complaining, and some even have been demonstrating, which is really sad.

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3 hours ago, Simon said:

I think the majority wants to work though. I don't know how it is in the Netherlands, but here refugees can't directly get on the job market. Also I saw a lot refugees being thankful. 

Why can't they get a job? Why can't they get into the job market immediately? Why would Germany prohibit getting a job? 

[Melech 9,900]

3 hours ago, Whispering said:

Why can't they get a job? Why can't they get into the job market immediately? Why would Germany prohibit getting a job? 

Because the laws suck.

[lego 44,165]

3 hours ago, Whispering said:

Why can't they get a job? Why can't they get into the job market immediately? Why would Germany prohibit getting a job? 

They don't speak the language? Integration takes time.

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3 hours ago, Simon said:

Because the laws suck.

They could in the US. 

That seems to inhibit integration, instead of supporting it.

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3 hours ago, lego said:

They don't speak the language? Integration takes time.

There are agriculture, custodial, factory, and construction jobs that non-English speaking immigrants have here in the US. They can have those jobs while they learn the language (if they choose to) and then get other types of jobs or move to a different job where they are working. 

Don't these European countries need people to clean hotel rooms or office buildings, take care of landscaping, wash dishes, do construction, etc? 

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6 minutes ago, Whispering said:

There are agriculture, custodial, factory, and construction jobs that non-English speaking immigrants have here in the US. They can have those jobs while they learn the language (if they choose to) and then get other types of jobs or move to a different job where they are working. 

Don't these European countries need people to clean hotel rooms or office buildings, take care of landscaping, wash dishes, do construction, etc? 

They need to know basics of German first, in construction they need to know the names of all the tools etc, to understand what they are suppose to do, in many other European countries immigrants need to go through courses  first even for cleaning because of all the different products, they can't mix up something and damage the floors for example. Many of them might be highly educated and have no idea about building. For women, there are maybe small kids to look after, idk what is the procedure about admitting them to kindergartens. Maybe some would work 'under the table', but that's not legal and they should follow the laws.