No refugees anymore for Poland after Paris attacks: minister

[lego 44,165]

1 minute ago, Gaga of Time said:

Absolutely not OMG! IS is taking advantage of those people migrating to put their own military into them and get them to western countries. It doesn't mean refugees lives don't matter, it's the opposite, the massacre should end NOW in a way or the other.

There should be a summit ASAP and countries like Russia, Saudi Arabia, Iran should also be present because there is a human/humanitarian urge.

If you want to send refugees back that means their lives don't matter, you are sending them to slaughter house. 

 

1 minute ago, Simon said:

I didn't see anyone doing that in this thread.

Everyone who is happy about closing borders to refugees is doing that.

[Melech 9,900]

Just now, lego said:

If you want to send refugees back that means their lives don't matter, you are sending them to slaughter house. 

 

Everyone who is happy about closing borders to refugees is doing that.

That doesn't mean that they don't blame IS too. Sometimes different things are sadly mixed.

I was blindly supporting the huge influx of refugees. I was on a  "refugee welcome" party and the amount of times of s-xual harassment was horrible. Nevertheless, those reason shouldn't be the reasons that refugee shouldn't come here. It shows they have a different view on several things like religion, woman or Jews. Education is the most important thing if they want to stay here and I think the huge majority wants to stay here. 

[Dramatica 13,698]

1 minute ago, lego said:

If you want to send refugees back that means their lives don't matter, you are sending them to slaughter house. 

I'm sorry but no, you're valuing open borders with better life? And why Europe and not the middle eastern countries themselves?

You are blaming the wrong people.

[lego 44,165]

Just now, Simon said:

That doesn't mean that they don't blame IS too. Sometimes different things are sadly mixed.

I was blindly supporting the huge influx of refugees. I was on a  "refugee welcome" party and the amount of times of s-xual harassment was horrible. Nevertheless, those reason shouldn't be the reasons that refugee shouldn't come here. It shows they have a different view on several things like religion, woman or Jews. Education is the most important thing if they want to stay here and I think the huge majority wants to stay here. 

Most of the people blame it all on refugees for what happened in France. On many other sites as well. People who were racist towards them before are just repeating "I told you so", when those people had nothing to do with it.

 

[Melech 9,900]

Just now, lego said:

Most of the people blame it all on refugees for what happened in France. On many other sites as well. People who were racist towards them before are just repeating "I told you so", when those people had nothing to do with it.

 

It's easy for people to make that connection. Right now people are really afraid that they can't think rational. Terrorists succeeded with this and I wonder what aftermath it will have. I'm afraid more people get radical islamist and get radical far right. And tbh I already don't feel safe anymore that my family thought about moving away from Europe. 

[lego 44,165]

8 minutes ago, Gaga of Time said:

I'm sorry but no, you're valuing open borders with better life? And why Europe and not the middle eastern countries themselves?

You are blaming the wrong people.

We as Europeans are always so proud of our democracy and human rights, but when it comes to action very few show their humanity. All of the countries bordering Syria are full with refugee camps, they all took them, except one. And even the other richer countries have hundreds of thousands of Syrian refugees since the beginning of the war, despite early misinformation. Turkey has them too; ~ 2 million. They don't deserve to be left on their own, our own governments have responsibility for the war in ME. 

[Dramatica 13,698]

4 minutes ago, lego said:

We as Europeans are always so proud of our democracy and human rights, but when it comes to action very few show their humanity. All of the countries bordering Syria are full with refugee camps, they all took them, except one. And even the other richer countries have hundreds of thousands of Syrian refugees since the beginning of the war, despite early misinformation. Turkey has them too; ~ 2 million. They don't deserve to be left on their own, our own governments have responsibility for the war in ME. 

Talk to Saudi Arabia who had small population compared to its size (12 habitants/km²). And are promoting "peace" through their religion. And have enough money to live off with Syria and all the other countries of the Middle East combined.

Or talk to Emirates, or Qatar, these countries share same roots, language, culture and religion, yet they chose not to have any Syrian refugee plans.

And don't say "our own governments have responsibility for the Syrian-IS war" because that is based on no fact! ISIS is a network of devil people, coming from Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad, Tanzim Qaidat al-Jihad fi Bilad al-Rafidayn and Mujahideen Shura Council. Moreover, it's not the time to find who is the culprit and who is the victim because the fact is : There are victims, and that should stop as soon as the humanity can stop it!

As long as you don't figure out the very problem, you won't be able to think of a good solution.

[Miracle 14,068]

58 minutes ago, doveve said:

Hope my country decides not to take in refugees too. After what happened in France, I started not to trust refugees at all. It's actually sad knowing that there are innocent and honest people among refugees. 

Refugees are escaping from terrorist you ignorant

It's sad you're blaming refugees for this when France financed moderate rebel groups (who, in fact, weren't moderate at all, and the money ended up going to DAESH) in Syria months ago.

 

[doveve 526]

4 minutes ago, Miracle said:

Refugees are escaping from terrorist you ignorant

It's sad you're blaming refugees for this when France financed moderate rebel groups (who, in fact, weren't moderate at all, and the money ended up going to DAESH) in Syria months ago.

 

Don't even start and don't call me ignorant. 

[Melech 9,900]

8 minutes ago, Miracle said:

Refugees are escaping from terrorist you ignorant

It's sad you're blaming refugees for this when France financed moderate rebel groups (who, in fact, weren't moderate at all, and the money ended up going to DAESH) in Syria months ago.

 

No blaming the terrorist attack on the French? You are ignorant too. 

And who the **** is Daesh?

[Luiz 4,253]

Just now, Simon said:

No blaming the terrorist attack on the French? You are ignorant too. 

And who the **** is Daesh?

ISIS

[lordgagx 5,467]

7 minutes ago, Simon said:

No blaming the terrorist attack on the French? You are ignorant too. 

And who the **** is Daesh?

If all of these stuff are happening it's not because of the refugees but the country itself. 
Like @Miracle said France finance rebel groups 

[lego 44,165]

34 minutes ago, Gaga of Time said:

Talk to Saudi Arabia who had small population compared to its size (12 habitants/km²). And are promoting "peace" through their religion. And have enough money to live off with Syria and all the other countries of the Middle East combined.

Or talk to Emirates, or Qatar, these countries share same roots, language, culture and religion, yet they chose not to have any Syrian refugee plans.

And don't say "our own governments have responsibility for the Syrian-IS war" because that is based on no fact! ISIS is a network of devil people, coming from Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad, Tanzim Qaidat al-Jihad fi Bilad al-Rafidayn and Mujahideen Shura Council. Moreover, it's not the time to find who is the culprit and who is the victim because the fact is : There are victims, and that should stop as soon as the humanity can stop it!

As long as you don't figure out the very problem, you won't be able to think of a good solution.

"That is based on no fact" lol

Western governments (and now Russia too) bombing of Syria is directly creating more refugees because bombs don't make a difference between civilian and a terrorist.

Invading Iraq, overthrowing Saddam, firing his whole army, these are all facts, funding and training the rebels against Assad - these are all the reasons IS was able to grow and capture large territory in Iraq and Syria.

It's always "ask those others (who we always accuse of human rights violations)", just please don't let us take any responsibility. Many Syrians are btw very secular and their culture is not exactly the same as in Saudi Arabia. Also you cannot talk about their population and size when most of it is desert. And they do have half million of Syrians since the start of the war. 

[Ophelia 5,440]

I'm Polish and I think it's a great, reasonable move, but knowing our politicians it won't happen too soon. We're scared of European Union. We have this new, fully right-winged government since last Monday and I'm suprised that I actually like any of their ideas, because generally I think that their conservativity will stop Poland from progress - no gay rights, no abortion, no in vitro fertilisation and mixing politics with religion.

[Bebe 17,289]

What about the people born and raised in countries like the US, France, Australia who are converting to ISIS online? The main problem these countries face when it comes to ISIS are their own citizens LEAVING the country to go to Syria and fight for ISIS, It's not refugees coming in and starting conflict.

The vast majority of refugees are fleeing from this exact threat! These are not people who are friends with ISIS, these are people who are fleeing to start a new life away from the threat of ISIS. These refugees are our allies and we have a common enemy.

We have a moral obligation to help these people, especially when you consider the amount of instability in the Middle East that as been caused by the wars, bombings and invasions of western countries within the middle east. We can't get our hands dirty and then refuse to help ease the negative consequences of our decisions.