How Katy Perry roars past Taylor Swift financially

[ctherainbow 3,162]

7 hours ago, Kacey Elizabeth said:

Why do you expect me to believe that you were a Katy stan? You can't even spell the name of her fanbase right. It's KatyCat NOT KatyKat. KatyKats are what we call fake KatyCats. 

It's a long and personal story for me to explain how I became a KatyCat, but I'll do it. But can I DM it to you instead? It reminds of a very dark chapter of my life which is now behind me, and I don't feel comfortable talking about it in front of everyone in a huge pop forum like this. It's something I do not talk about except for when I'm with a few certain people. I've talked to a lot of KatyCats, and they've told me how Katy's music, story/journey, and personality saved their lives and inspired them in a big but positive way and if it wasn't for her, they probably wouldn't be alive. 

Maybe Katy's team booked her for countries where there was enough demand for her to at least sell out most of the tickets? Because she did, in fact, sell out most of the tickets in shows which she didn't fully/100% sell out. I think a lot of it also has to do with the fact that Katy wants all her fans to have the opportunity to see her live, so she went to those countries with her tour. 

In August, Capitol reported that The PRISMATIC World Tour had an attendance of 2 million, and that was before the Latin American leg had began. Of course, my numbers regarding Katy's tour are just estimations and predictions, but they are the most likely. 

I wasn't necessarily part of the community of KatyCats; I didn't stan her as part of a group, just on my own.  It was a different experience than being a Gaga stan, where I almost immediately got in touch with the community.

Only if you're comfortable sharing, I would like to know.  Like I said, I do admire your spirit for always defending Katy, and I think your story might be able to give me a different perspective on Katy fans.

Yeah, I agree with Katy's booking decisions, especially considering that she sold out nearly every one of her shows, but I don't think it's fair to assume that Taylor cares only about money and not her fans, hence why she's only touring a limited number of countries.  If anything, I think that her team doesn't realize that she can tour some of these countries that would be new for her.  But again, I'm not her team, so I don't know.  I just think it's crazy to assume that she couldn't successfully pull off say... a stop in France, one in Italy, one in Poland, one or two in Brazil, one in South Africa, etc.  I agree that she can't tour as many countries as Katy, because for a while she was making US/Canada-centric country pop, but I'm sure she could've added more tour dates.

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TALENTED queen Katy 

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2 hours ago, superman said:

The delusion and the rhetoric inventions to make Katy look at least able to compete with Taylor in the touring department in this thread are hilarious!

In what world is the Prismatic Tour more successful than the 1989 tour? What some of you fail to understand is that where Katy needs 3 or 4 dates to cover the same amount of audience Taylor is capable of doing it with one stadium date! That is why she has more audience attendance with half the dates. A tour operator in fact doesn't trust Katy to book stadiums and they book arenas and wait and see how many dates they can add to make profit whilst they trust Taylor and book stadiums and large arenas from the beginning. As for the prices it seems there is more demand hence the prices are higher. It doesn't go with which artist puts the best show rather than which artist has the bigger demand. For Taylor they had a pool of like 8-9 million album buyers out of which some will most probably wanna go to a concert and for Katy they got like 3,5 million ones. You do the math!

You do notice that PRISM has sold like what? 4.7 million copies WW to date? And One of the Boys? Around 6.5 million WW copies to date (it had sold 5 million copies as of 2010 according to a magazine which reviewed Teenage Dream when it came out)? And Teenage Dream (+ The Complete Confection rerelease) has sold like 10 or 11 million copies WW to date. Don't try to come for Katy's album sales. 

On November 6, 2015 at 6:33:40 PM, Robinladen said:

She probably just picked the dates were she could have the highest grossing, but that doesn't mean she would struggle in all the other places. Teenage Dream was also bigger in the US than in a lot of other places. Taylor clearly got a LOT more global with this era. I'm not from the US myself and I hear a lot more people talking about Taylor now compared to the Red era. I'm pretty sure she could sell out an arena here now, but like I said she would probably make less money than in the countries she's doing rn.

Yes, US was the biggest and most-successful market for the Teenage Dream era BUT that doesn't mean it didn't have impact and success in other markets and countries. All of Taylor's eras (including 1989) have only been mainly successful in US, Canada and a few exceptional markets in Asia. 

6 hours ago, bradshaw said:

Taylor started out with country music which is not global at all so her fan base is mainly built in anglophone countries. Katy's pop music appealed WW since the beginning and she got a head start and has built fanbases around the globe which allows her to explore new territories with her tour(s).

However, Taylor is already going to outgross Katy's tour despite having 50% less dates. That's impressive considering she's anglophone-local and has yet to fully breakthrough worldwide. One or two more pop eras and she could surpass Katy WW influence in no time and could pull stadiums in Argentina or something. 

I want to see both of these ladies pull stadiums while flopping though… that will prove which has the most impact when touring. If Gaga could pull stadiums dates during ARTPOP then they should too unless they can't… 

That excuse for Taylor not being global is BS as: 

1) Her country music always was heavily pop-oriented.                                              2) Country artists such as a Dolly Parton and Shania Twain have their global fans outside of North America. 

Most of Taylor's tour gross (specially this one) comes from the North American dates, so it's not like she is more global than Katy or will ever be. 

[Yves 1,891]

On 11/7/2015, 8:04:39, ctherainbow said:

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Sis, I used to stan Katy during Teenage Dream, and through all the interviews I ever watched, all the live performances I saw, not a damn thing ever inspired me about her, except that if you're a Christian singer whose first album sells a tiny bit, that you can take your boobs out and be successful in pop music.

Now, I'm not discounting your personal experience being inspired by her, because we all draw inspiration in different ways, but if Katy fans were polled versus other artists' fans, I know for a fact that Katy would end up on the low end of the "inspiring" factor.

 

Now to get into the stan war portion of this thread... let's realize for a minute that Taylor's tour is sold out, which indicates more demand than available tickets, while Katy's, though it did very well, did not sell out, indicating that she about hit the limit of the most tickets she could sell in the countries she visited.  While I will admit that Katy may have more global demand, with the colossal success of Teenage Dream, as well as the singles off Prism, Taylor is catching up with her last two pop albums.

Furthermore, the Prismatic World Tour ended with 1.4 million in attendance and $154 million gross, while the 1989 World Tour, which is still in progress, already has 1.6 million in attendance and $185 million gross.  So while Katy may have visited more countries, Taylor can clearly sell more tickets, and without stops in some of the countries Katy visited, she could have sold even more.  Now, a number of the Prismatic World Tour's stops don't have a reported boxscore or attendance numbers, but I don't think it's safe to call this a runaway victory for Katy by any standards.  Taylor could easily have booked one stop in many of the smaller European countries/some South American countries, and had a tour that looked far more global than it does now.

 

Damn, I just typed all that and I'm haven't even been a Taylor fan since Fearless.  Lemme escape to the Community Center.  :rip:

I spot no lies. *claps*

On 11/7/2015, 8:18:47, Cool Machine said:

She is the top earning female musician of 2015 with $135 million while Taylor swift earned $80 million.

The tracking was on June 2014 - June 2015. Katheryn has been touring since 2014, I think. To think that she earned $80 million by only counting the gross of the tour of hers (The 1989 World Tour started on May, so only one month of tour gross to count) is really incredible. You can suck it.

19 hours ago, ctherainbow said:

It is going to take me a minute to respond to this.  Lemme grab a drink.

Yes, I was a stan during Teenage Dream.  If you've ever seen my posts in other sections, you'd see that I have a long history of only posting truthful information, not least because I don't want to look a fool.  I was in fact a Katy stan in 2010/early 2011.  

The boobs comment was a single sarcastic line that I was not actually presenting as a serious point, but thanks for typing up a response.

Of course I can't call it a fact, a fact of which I was very aware that you might try to drag me for while I was typing "I know for a fact".  What I mean is that there is very little evidence that I've found that indicates that people stan Katy for a personal connection and inspiration, but feel free to present me evidence that shows me otherwise, because if it's true, I would like to know.  And I'm serious about wanting to know; ever since I've seen you defending Katy in every negative thread on GGD, I've wondered why you feel so strongly about her, and whether there is in fact a large group of KatyKats who feel that strongly about her, so if you wouldn't mind sharing why you love her so much, I'd be more than willing to listen.

Now, getting to the on-topic part here; you say that Taylor's team decided not to book her for countries where she wouldn't have a sold-out show.  However, Katy's team clearly booked her for countries where she didn't sell out her show, so why would Katy's team do that, but Taylor's wouldn't?  Do you expect me to believe that Katy's team just loves the fans in these countries so much more than Taylor's team does?  Not being a part of Taylor's team, I of course cannot tell you why she didn't tour in these countries.  Also, you clearly did not take the time to read through my post.  I said, "Taylor could have easily booked one stop in many of the smaller European countries/some South American countries, and had a tour that looked far more global than it does now".  Nowhere did I suggest that her tour would have been more "global" than Katy's; I just said she could've made it look more global than it does now.  But thank you for breaking down all the stops for me.  Oh, and on those estimated total PWT tour totals, do you have sources?  Like Whitney, I'd like to see the receipts.  (Sidenote:  I did the math, based off of capacities for 1989 World Tour future and unreported dates, and Taylor could have attendance of around 2.5 million, which will also put it past a 200 million gross)   Perhaps we could all try harder to match that number with our tours.

In terms of future Katy and Taylor success, I guess we'll both just have to see.  Katy continues to have extraordinarily well-selling singles, while Taylor has continued to produce extraordinarily well-selling albums.  I just really take issue with a Katy stan acting like Taylor isn't at least catching up with Katy on a global level when 1989's sales just outside the US are almost as much as Prism's total sales, including the US.

Let them Breathe (Buy it now on iTunes! Breathe comes from Fearless which was named Album of the Year by the Grammys.).

6 hours ago, bradshaw said:

However, Taylor is already going to outgross Katy's tour despite having 50% less dates. That's impressive considering she's anglophone-local and has yet to fully breakthrough worldwide. One or two more pop eras and she could surpass Katy WW influence in no time and could pull stadiums in Argentina or something. 

This is really impressive. 

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@Yves Please, don't tell me to “suck it" if all I did was to clarify that Katy Perry is the top earning female musician of 2015 (according to Forbes). 

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On 6/11/2015 23:06:38, Kacey Elizabeth said:

I'm pretty sure you didn't stan Katy during Teenage Dream and are just making things up in order to get your point across. But what else is new with Little Monsters like you? I can't except anything else from ya'll. The fact that you actually think that Katy became successful because of her boobs shows how little you know about her and how you didn't stan her during that era. If Katy ever was known and successful for her boobs, she would've faded into obscurity by her third album and wouldn't have sold this amount of records. Most of her demographic are teens and children couldn't have cared less about her boobs and even her adult KatyCats don't care about her boobs nor they stan her because of them. The only people who only care about her boobs are just a bunch of grown, perverted men who have nothing to do with their lives and don't even buy Katy's music nor they go to her shows. So try again.

You cannot call it a fact unless it is observed, experimented with, and has been proven, which it isn't, so it is not a fact. Nice try. 

Katy's tour was 99% sold out, so it came pretty close to being fully sold-out. Not to mention that all her North American dates were reported to be sold-out, and NA is the region where Taylor's 1989 World Tour had most of it's dates taken place in and all of the shows were sold-out as well, but what does that indicate? Well, let's see. The PRISMATIC World Tour had 151 dates: 38 in Europe, 67 in North America, 25 in Oceania, 12 in Asia, and 10 in Latin America. The 1989 World Tour has 85 dates: 7 in Asia, 8 in Europe, 63 in North America, and 7 in Oceania. With that many shows, The PRISMATIC World Tour managed to sell-out 99% of it's set tickets. If Taylor's tour had as many dates as The PWT, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have been 100% sold-out. If Taylor really had demand in South America and most of Europe, she would've added dates for her tour in those regions, but she didn't. Why? 'Cause her reocrd label is aware of the fact that she doesn't have much demand there, and that she wouldn't have had sell-out her tour there. So in order to don't make her look bad, they didn't add dates there. Taylor and her record label only added dates in places where they knew for sure that Taylor would've sold out. If Katy's tour had as many dates as Taylor's tour, her tour would've been 100% sold-out as well. By the way, if all the boxscores for The PRISMATIC World Tour get released, it would have a attendance of 2,000,000+ along with a gross of 200,000,000+. Try harder maybe? 

The fact that Katy got global with just two pop albums and eras (I don't consider One of the Boys a pop album, at least not fully) whereas Taylor already has had two pop eras and albums, and still hasn't been able to be as global as Katy says a lot. She'll never have a worldwide stardom and would never reach Katy's popularity, impact, and success on a worldwide level. She's way too overexposed now and her next era will be a huge decline for her, so her chance of being global is extremely slim. 

 

 

 

LOL. Taylor is already a worldwide star. She's playing stadiums in North America, Asia and Oceania, and in Europe she's just fine even if she's not the biggest of them all. In Latin America she's huge, even if she didn't tour there yet. I mean, for instance, her album is multiplatinum in both of the biggest markets in the region (Mexico and Brazil), and in places like Argentina her music is just all over the place (i live there so i would know)

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On December 4, 2015 at 2:47:39 AM, alestevens said:

 

 

LOL. Taylor is already a worldwide star. She's playing stadiums in North America, Asia and Oceania, and in Europe she's just fine even if she's not the biggest of them all. In Latin America she's huge, even if she didn't tour there yet. I mean, for instance, her album is multiplatinum in both of the biggest markets in the region (Mexico and Brazil), and in places like Argentina her music is just all over the place (i live there so i would know)

And yet her charting and sales outside of North America are absolutely tragic. Australia is the only place outside of NA where her music from the 1989 has done well. Facts and numbers speak for themselves. 

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11 minutes ago, Kacey Elizabeth said:

And yet her charting and sales outside of North America are absolutely tragic. Australia is the only place outside of NA where her music from the 1989 has done well. Facts and numbers speak for themselves. 

Educate em™ 

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[GloZell Green 11,723]

Wow we really needed this article to come up and reignite a fan base war that never existed 

[gagaisitalian 3,573]

Uhm....her tour had half the stops of Katy's and still almost beats it financially.

Katy isn't "roaring" past her at all. Taylor was making way more per show than Katy. 

[DiscoHeaven23 35,007]

While i like Taylor WAY more than Katy, it is true that Katy is more successful worldwide than Taylor, just like Gaga is. 

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On 11/6/2015, 6:36:57, ZacharyMark said:

If Taylor's tickets were actually affordable the 1989 Tour's gross would be much much lower...

I mean...every show was sold out so clearly there are thousands of people in each city who can afford it.

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Taylor is grossing more per show, playing to larger audiences, and selling out stadiums. She's making more money, more efficiently. Her tour is performing better than Katy's in every metric that matters. All these other, subjective goal posts (e.g. "She's not as 'Global', she charges too much, etc) are so irrelevant that it's painful. I don't even have a horse in this race but come on, the delusion is thick in this topic. Taylor having a phenomenally successful area does not negate Katy's massive success. But clutching at straws trying to devalue Taylor's touring force is petty and delusional.

[LoveandMagic 1,731]

How about we just celebrate the fact that both artists have accomplished their life goals in having their music heard on a global scale, and how their fans are having a blast at their tours, instead of yet another meaningless fan "war" that boils down to what's basically a petty pissing contest that doesn't matter in the slightest, least of all to the actual performers? None of any of this really matters in the slightest to the caliber of the performances or the quality of the music.

[LebaneseDude 6,146]

Well deserved Katy . Taylor too, although she could stand to lower her price tickets.