Would Beyonce be taken more seriously if she was white?

[StrawberryBlond 14,862]

Just now, ARTPOPdidntflop said:

Why do you write so much? 

Again with you making wild statements, please send me something racist she's said within the past 2 years. Thank you, if you can't then please stop talking about it.

And yes I do think Iggy is a bad rapper, she can't freestyle, her lyrics are b.a.d. , Iggy is T.I's little project he writes half her songs. And her album reclassified is trash. She's not good except for her feature songs which are written to appeal to the masses.

You know she did Pop before she did Rap, but then chose Rap because she flopped doing pop? yeah....

 

I'm done arguing with you, you keep bringing up this "It's because Iggy's white/australian " and it's incredibly annoying omg. You can't bring up a point on ZERO basis. You have no proof of anything, you just keep saying it as if it's valid when it isn't.

 

If iggy was black she would be even less famous than she is now. It's insulting you compare Iggy to Nicki. Not regarding color Nicki is a rapper 100000x better than Iggy. Anyone with good rap knowledge knows that

 

People who listen to rap don't listen to iggy because she ISN'T GOOD.

I write so much because I have a lot to say.

Azealia practically says something racist every week. Off the top of my head...when she said black men didn't know how to treat black women which is why she only goes for white men, when she said anyone who was part of a bloodline of slave owners should have their finances swiped and their houses burnt down, when she said to a Hispanic person on Twitter who was arguing with her to "go get a burrito," when she said she hated fat white Americans, when she said blacks and whites should be separate, when she called Iggy "Igloo Australia" and said she was part of the KKK...and there are many more. All these things were said in tweets or interviews in the last year. Look up everything I've said on an internet search and you'll find it all. It's disgusting that this racism and bigotry gets printed, that she gets a mouthpiece, that these magazines allow her to say whatever she wants. If a white person said any of this stuff in an interview, staff at the publication would get fired for printing it, people would be sued. It disgusts me that such hate is allowed to be spouted as long as it's coming from oppressed minorities, as if that's some kind of excuse for hatred. I have no tolerance for racism from anyone, to anyone, for any reason.

Newflash, a lot of rappers can't freestyle (especially nowadays, when you no longer have to start out in rap battles to get in the business). It's not in the job description. How do we know all these freestyles weren't prepared beforehand anyway? There's absolutely no way of telling. Admittedly, Iggy's heavy co-writing credits take down her credibility a notch, but hey, Nicki has a lot of them too and Drake was accused recently of having his raps ghostwritten. Has it affected either of their careers? No. Has it affected Iggy's? Hell yes. And I don't really care how she started out. Plenty of people change their careers, why can't singers change genre?

I think a lot of people are just looking for an excuse to hate on Iggy. People were hating on her before she'd even released any music. So, it must have been purely because she was a white Australian female rapper. And if there's one thing I hate, it's when people judge a person on superficial stuff. Iggy has all the odds stacked against her and she just can't win. I'm sure even a white Australian male rapper would have had better reception, to be honest. The fact she's a woman plays a big role in it. Even the likes of Lil Kim weren't all that respected back in the day, when people said Biggie wrote all her songs.

Is Nicki a better rapper than Iggy? Maybe. She has talent but can't really apply it right. I don't quite like the sound of her voice when she raps (that little girl bimbo twang drives me up the wall) and she has a lot of issues with lyrics still. She seemed more genuine and talented before she became famous and sold out. If she was still making stuff like her remake of Warning, I'd have a lot more respect for her talent. She's got a lot better, but she's still selling herself short with pop tunes and immature lyrics. It's nothing to do with having rap knowledge, it's all about what appeals to your personal ear. We all process music differently, it's mostly subjective.

 

 

[ARTPOPdidntflop 3,987]

7 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

I write so much because I have a lot to say.

Azealia practically says something racist every week. Off the top of my head...when she said black men didn't know how to treat black women which is why she only goes for white men, when she said anyone who was part of a bloodline of slave owners should have their finances swiped and their houses burnt down, when she said to a Hispanic person on Twitter who was arguing with her to "go get a burrito," when she said she hated fat white Americans, when she said blacks and whites should be separate, when she called Iggy "Igloo Australia" and said she was part of the KKK...and there are many more. All these things were said in tweets or interviews in the last year. Look up everything I've said on an internet search and you'll find it all. It's disgusting that this racism and bigotry gets printed, that she gets a mouthpiece, that these magazines allow her to say whatever she wants. If a white person said any of this stuff in an interview, staff at the publication would get fired for printing it, people would be sued. It disgusts me that such hate is allowed to be spouted as long as it's coming from oppressed minorities, as if that's some kind of excuse for hatred. I have no tolerance for racism from anyone, to anyone, for any reason.

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[StrawberryBlond 14,862]

Just now, ARTPOPdidntflop said:

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Look them up yourself. I'm not going to waste time copying and pasting everything she's said (there's too many for one thing). Just type "Azealia Banks racist" into Google and you'll get a list of it all. Or go to the Azealia Banks tweets thread on GGD. I can't beiieve you're a fan of this woman and yet you don't know anything about her true character. You're a racist crusader stanning for one of the most blatant, overt racists ever. It would be funny if it weren't so tragic.

[ARTPOPdidntflop 3,987]

8 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Look them up yourself. I'm not going to waste time copying and pasting everything she's said (there's too many for one thing). Just type "Azealia Banks racist" into Google and you'll get a list of it all. Or go to the Azealia Banks tweets thread on GGD. I can't beiieve you're a fan of this woman and yet you don't know anything about her true character. You're a racist crusader stanning for one of the most blatant, overt racists ever. It would be funny if it weren't so tragic.

Ok then don't make claims you can't back. I don't think you have any proof within a relevant time period that Azealias been racist. Sure 2010-2012 she has tweets saying problematic stuff, but thats not what you're saying.

This is why it's difficult arguing with you, you make statements without any sources (Because you make them up in your head)

[StrawberryBlond 14,862]

Just now, ARTPOPdidntflop said:

Ok then don't make claims you can't back. I don't think you have any proof within a relevant time period that Azealias been racist. Sure 2010-2012 she has tweets saying problematic stuff, but thats not what you're saying

FFS! Why won't you look up stuff! How lazy are you?!

She says black men don't know how to treat black women (check out what people say in response):

http://www.centrictv.com/news-views/race-culture/articles/2015/04/01/azealia-banks-explains-why-she-doesn-t-date-black-men.html

She says any descendants of slave owners should have their finances seized and their houses burnt down:

http://www.justjared.com/2014/12/26/azealia-banks-wants-to-track-down-descendants-of-slave-traders-make-them-pay-reparations/

She says she hates fat white Americans and that all her white fans got their grandma's estate and diamonds passed down to them (read the entire article, there's a lot more):

http://www.justjared.com/2015/03/16/azealia-banks-covers-playboy-says-she-hates-fat-white-americans-tons-more/

She says blacks and whites should be separate (this one is especially sad, it brought a tear to my eye):

http://www.gossipcop.com/azealia-banks-racist-rant-twitter/

She calls Iggy Igloo Australia and calls her part of the KKK and much more (check out this video to the end to see Iggy's super classy response which went wholly unreported and unnoticed):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVKIze0rZXQ

Here's a tumblr listing her worst tweets (she also says more racist things about blacks in her including that "lite skinned n****s are funny" and then goes and contradicts herself by pointing out the flaws in blacks accusing whites of racism:

http://alizardbanks.tumblr.com

At least those racist tweets Iggy posted turned out to be photoshopped fakes (seriously, I checked) that weren't anything near as bad as this. Azealia is a racist, accept it. I can't find the Hispanic burrito tweet but it definitely happened and I'm sure she said something about Asians too. She's also said really hateful stuff about gay people too. She's insulted basically every oppressed group there is. This is why I can't support her and you shouldn't either. Now, do you believe me? Or do I have to jump through more hoops while you deny it all because you don't want to shatter any illusions about your faves?

[ARTPOPdidntflop 3,987]

6 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

FFS! Why won't you look up stuff! How lazy are you?!

She says black men don't know how to treat black women (check out what people say in response):

http://www.centrictv.com/news-views/race-culture/articles/2015/04/01/azealia-banks-explains-why-she-doesn-t-date-black-men.html

She says any descendants of slave owners should have their finances seized and their houses burnt down:

http://www.justjared.com/2014/12/26/azealia-banks-wants-to-track-down-descendants-of-slave-traders-make-them-pay-reparations/

She says she hates fat white Americans and that all her white fans got their grandma's estate and diamonds passed down to them (read the entire article, there's a lot more):

http://www.justjared.com/2015/03/16/azealia-banks-covers-playboy-says-she-hates-fat-white-americans-tons-more/

She says blacks and whites should be separate (this one is especially sad, it brought a tear to my eye):

http://www.gossipcop.com/azealia-banks-racist-rant-twitter/

She calls Iggy Igloo Australia and calls her part of the KKK and much more (check out this video to the end to see Iggy's super classy response which went wholly unreported and unnoticed):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVKIze0rZXQ

Here's a tumblr listing her worst tweets (she also says more racist things about blacks in her including that "lite skinned n****s are funny" and then goes and contradicts herself by pointing out the flaws in blacks accusing whites of racism:

http://alizardbanks.tumblr.com

At least those racist tweets Iggy posted turned out to be photoshopped fakes (seriously, I checked) that weren't anything near as bad as this. Azealia is a racist, accept it. I can't find the Hispanic burrito tweet but it definitely happened and I'm sure she said something about Asians too. She's also said really hateful stuff about gay people too. She's insulted basically every oppressed group there is. This is why I can't support her and you shouldn't either. Now, do you believe me? Or do I have to jump through more hoops while you deny it all because you don't want to shatter any illusions about your faves?

Iggys tweets weren't photoshopped :lmao: 

stop.

All the things there aren't even close to what you claimed + aren't problematic.

You're backtracking now and it looks bad

[StrawberryBlond 14,862]

Just now, ARTPOPdidntflop said:

Iggys tweets weren't photoshopped :lmao: 

stop.

All the things there aren't even close to what you claimed + aren't problematic.

You're backtracking now and it looks bad

What the...I'm done with you. You're a lost case. You are lost in delusion. You cannot see when racism is directly in front of you. Even a black person is insulting other black people with racism, you still can't see it. I'm white and I'm offended by the stuff she's saying about blacks! Why can't you? I feel sorry for you. To think I was called an intolerant racist. I don't think you know what racism is and yet you're fighting against it with an Azealia Banks avatar. There are no words.

[ARTPOPdidntflop 3,987]

6 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

What the...I'm done with you. You're a lost case. You are lost in delusion. You cannot see when racism is directly in front of you. Even a black person is insulting other black people with racism, you still can't see it. I'm white and I'm offended by the stuff she's saying about blacks! Why can't you? I feel sorry for you. To think I was called an intolerant racist. I don't think you know what racism is and yet you're fighting against it with an Azealia Banks avatar. There are no words.

You can't just claim all these outrageous things, then when I ask for proof, you link me TOTALLY different stories. 

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[StrawberryBlond 14,862]

Just now, ARTPOPdidntflop said:

You can't just claim all these outrageous things, then when I ask for proof, you link me TOTALLY different stories. 

:toofunny:

Totally different stories?! You are spouting utter lies! I spent time and effort finding you the exact stories that matched up! I went through my list of accusations and provided a source for every single one. Either you just saw all the text and couldn't be bothered to find her quotes (which are obviously pulled out) or just didn't read them at all because you wanted me to look bad. I don't know what else to say to you. You are the one who's backtracking, not me. You are the one who's denying evidence right in front of you. You are the one dismissing extreme racism as merely "problematic." You do understand that the reason Azealia has barely any fans left is because her racism and homophobia has hurt so many people who liked her at first, right? Ask anyone around GGD. It's widely accepted that Azealia was a talented artist who threw her chances of a good career away through her bad attitude and then had the nerve to blame it on other factors. Have you been living under a rock or something?!

[ARTPOPdidntflop 3,987]

4 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Totally different stories?! You are spouting utter lies! I spent time and effort finding you the exact stories that matched up! I went through my list of accusations and provided a source for every single one. Either you just saw all the text and couldn't be bothered to find her quotes (which are obviously pulled out) or just didn't read them at all because you wanted me to look bad. I don't know what else to say to you. You are the one who's backtracking, not me. You are the one who's denying evidence right in front of you. You are the one dismissing extreme racism as merely "problematic." You do understand that the reason Azealia has barely any fans left is because her racism and homophobia has hurt so many people who liked her at first, right? Ask anyone around GGD. It's widely accepted that Azealia was a talented artist who threw her chances of a good career away through her bad attitude and then had the nerve to blame it on other factors. Have you been living under a rock or something?!

You didn't find stories that matched up. This is what you claimed:

when she said black men didn't know how to treat black women which is why she only goes for white men, when she said anyone who was part of a bloodline of slave owners should have their finances swiped and their houses burnt down, when she said to a Hispanic person on Twitter who was arguing with her to "go get a burrito," when she said she hated fat white Americans, when she said blacks and whites should be separate, when she called Iggy "Igloo Australia" and said she was part of the KKK.

 

The stories you linked me were different, the headlines and what you said totally took out of context from what she was saying to make it seem outrageous.

[StrawberryBlond 14,862]

Just now, ARTPOPdidntflop said:

You didn't find stories that matched up. This is what you claimed:

when she said black men didn't know how to treat black women which is why she only goes for white men, when she said anyone who was part of a bloodline of slave owners should have their finances swiped and their houses burnt down, when she said to a Hispanic person on Twitter who was arguing with her to "go get a burrito," when she said she hated fat white Americans, when she said blacks and whites should be separate, when she called Iggy "Igloo Australia" and said she was part of the KKK.

 

The stories you linked me were different, the headlines and what you said totally took out of context from what she was saying to make it seem outrageous.

There was nothing out of context! Most of this is stuff she tweeted, as evidenced by that tumblr I posted as well. Just research all of her most controversial tweets. Most of the stuff she says comes right out the blue, she just suddenly starts tweeting really racist things for no reason. There's nothing exaggerated, just her words and then the opinion on them. Nothing to take out of context, nothing to misinterpret. Just pure, straight up hate. The fact you can't see it says a lot about you and how much of a hypocrite you are. If you admitted how much of a racist she was, I might find some sort of respect for you, but the complete denial of the truth does you no favours. I don't know who will take your points about racism seriously now when you support such an infamous racist who's offended so many people.

[Chic 20,830]

16 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

There was nothing out of context! Most of this is stuff she tweeted, as evidenced by that tumblr I posted as well. Just research all of her most controversial tweets. Most of the stuff she says comes right out the blue, she just suddenly starts tweeting really racist things for no reason. There's nothing exaggerated, just her words and then the opinion on them. Nothing to take out of context, nothing to misinterpret. Just pure, straight up hate. The fact you can't see it says a lot about you and how much of a hypocrite you are. If you admitted how much of a racist she was, I might find some sort of respect for you, but the complete denial of the truth does you no favours. I don't know who will take your points about racism seriously now when you support such an infamous racist who's offended so many people.

You're not wrong. All your points are valid and you provided proof to back up each of your statements. You're right, he is delusional. He thrives on immaturity, denial and pseudo-superiority to fight his little arguments, and it can be brought down to a saddening science. Don't drive yourself crazy with his ridiculous matter of arguing, because it's not you! A lot of the forum disagrees with his hypocritical extremism and irritating debates. Why bother to win a battle against his willful ignorance with your balanced and fair logic? You'll stress yourself out. Ignore him and you've already won. When there's nothing to irrationally b---h about, he steers clear.ndont worry about proving anything. You're already correct.

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I think because of the history she has and the music she's been apart of, makes her very serious in the industry. Who knows what she would've been singing if she was white. I'm happy for our Beyonce 

[ARTPOPdidntflop 3,987]

1 hour ago, StrawberryBlond said:

There was nothing out of context! Most of this is stuff she tweeted, as evidenced by that tumblr I posted as well. Just research all of her most controversial tweets. Most of the stuff she says comes right out the blue, she just suddenly starts tweeting really racist things for no reason. There's nothing exaggerated, just her words and then the opinion on them. Nothing to take out of context, nothing to misinterpret. Just pure, straight up hate. The fact you can't see it says a lot about you and how much of a hypocrite you are. If you admitted how much of a racist she was, I might find some sort of respect for you, but the complete denial of the truth does you no favours. I don't know who will take your points about racism seriously now when you support such an infamous racist who's offended so many people.

Nothing you said WAS IN CONTEXT. The headlines wildly exaggerate what her tweets were trying to say. You linked me click bait articles. Stop playing towards the angry black woman trope that the media tries to paint her as. 

 

And don't you listen to what i'm saying? I never said she wasn't problematic, I said find me something she's said within the last 2 years, and you didn't. SHE ISN'T AN INFAMOUS RACIST :lmao: I can't with trying to discuss with you and you bring up all these hyperboles :lmao: hahahah. 

You were talking about racism, you linked me only 1 thing that was possible racist and that was this link

http://www.centrictv.com/news-views/race-culture/articles/2015/04/01/azealia-banks-explains-why-she-doesn-t-date-black-men.html

please if you want to actually have a mature discussion, please stay on topic and don't divert into these other sub arguments. You said Azealia is an infamous racist, you linked me 1 receipt that could be taken seriously.

If you want to play the game of all offensive things Iggy has said, then I am happy to. But this is specifically racist tweets like you're claiming no? So stick to that then.

 

At this point you're just bitter and trying to make this about my Icon avi to divert the discussion because you got proven wrong by Harry and I about Iggy. Please stop

[AyaKara 2,281]

Everyone, please stay on topic about Beyonce's career and her background. Feel free to make a thread regarding other topics raised in this thread in their relevant sections. Thank you!