Grace Jones: "Lady Gaga is obsessed with me"

[RabbitHeart 795]

I get what she's saying about wanting people to come to her with ideas but I feel like Gaga is the kind of person who wants to meet an artist in person and discuss things with them before she commits to a collaboration, since she doesn't do them often. so I don't get why Grace is so bitter about Gaga's method of contacting her? or why she's so bitter about having an impact on this generations pop stars? or how they've essentially brought aspects of her artistry into mainstream pop music which I feel she was never able to fully realize while she was active? like, they're cementing her place in pop culture so idk why it's such a bad thing...I'm very confused by her opinions

[Truth 90]

literally no one except for gays know or care about her she needs to sit

Are you joking?

 

[Andreyw 4,285]

don't get your **** twisted and act like shes a nobody just because you dont see her name pop up on atrl or other stan sites....

The thing is I (for one, but probably others as well) don't see her even there let alone somewhere else

[TimisaMonster 31,073]

And I thought Madonna was Gaga's arch enemy....sheesh...

 

[Katsuki Bakugo 9,788]

And I thought Madonna was Gaga's arch enemy....sheesh...

 

Well no, they obviously sorted their **** out...

[Benji 20,113]

expedition, if you want to be accurate. it's recent history, you should know that. 

I don't think anyone needs to know the phrase, all things considered... I actually wish I could forget the false hope and hype! 

[Benji 20,113]

 

Feel free to report me, I'm not worried about the way I conduct myself. Now, let me explain further because I think you missed my point.

To say there is no such thing as gay music is an ignorant statement. That is like saying there is no such thing as gay literature or gay film. When Walt Whitman writes about beautiful boys on the beach or when Jean Genet is writing about hustlers in Parisian prisons, that is gay literature. When Xavier Dolan tells the stories of gay men and women, or when John Waters captures the lives of filthy Baltimore gays, they are making gay films. When Mika writes a song about the lack of gay male representation in popular culture that is gay music. When Robert Mapplethorpe photographs the beautiful butts of ballet dancers that is gay photography. Queer art is a thing.

Are you going to tell me that a song like Standing In The Way of Control, a marriage equality protest anthem written by a lesbian and released by a Queer Punk band is not an example of gay music? Are you telling me Carl Bean pouring his heart out on the disco song I Was Born This Way isn't gay music? What about Big Freda, a Queer Bounce artist? There are genres of music created by and for gays, to tell our stories, like Queercore and Riot Grrrl. 

So, now you know. Gay music exists.

 

[Benji 20,113]

yet again, you all look like kindergarteners reacting to someone like this. grace jones is a rock legend, don't get your **** twisted and act like shes a nobody just because you dont see her name pop up on atrl or other stan sites.... i swear modern gays make me so ****ing angry.... 

[crisTEAne 21,059]

@SKANK, you may not be familiar with literary theories; therefore, you may not be aware that there is a process called canon formation. the point is that categorizing works of art and putting representatives of different artistic mediums—be it music, film, or literature—in different boxes have nothing to do with the intentions of those artists. they do not approach their art in a gay manner. identifying as gay is not the same as intentionally wishing to create gay art. according to my studies, the perception of works of art and, therefore, the canons to which the belong may be viewed as gay. however, that does mean that the approach with which they were created is also gay. that was my point all along: you said that gaga has an unapologetically gay approach to her music—that is an utterly false and presumptuous statement.  

i said it in my previous comment: if you wish to define gay music that way, fine. i do not have to agree with that. 

I don't think anyone needs to know the phrase, all things considered... I actually wish I could forget the false hope and hype! 

the second part of your sentence is totally irrelevant. all things considered, you should not call yourself an educator. clearly, you alluded to the phrase; therefore, it implies that you are familiar with it. naturally, you are unable to admit that you were not precise. then again, when were you or, for that matter, grace humble? oh, right: never.

[Benji 20,113]

You seem to be really confused @skeleton.gun, let me try to help you! 

@SKANK, you may not be familiar with literary theories; therefore, you may not be aware that there is a process called canon formation. the point is that categorizing works of art and putting representatives of different artistic mediums—be it music, film, or literature—in different boxes have nothing to do with the intentions of those artists. they do not approach their art in a gay manner. identifying as gay is not the same as intentionally wishing to create gay art. according to my studies, the perception of works of art and, therefore, the canons to which the belong may be viewed as gay. however, that does mean that the approach with which they were created is also gay. that was my point all along: you said that gaga has an unapologetically gay approach to her music—that is an utterly false and presumptuous statement.  

That's the problem, there are gay artists who wish to create gay art! Gay art is a wonderful way to express your identity and s-xuality. Have you been to a library recently? There's a section crammed full of gay literature that was written mostly by gay men and women for gay men and women! I don't think you're well experienced with gay art, due to your reaction but I really do suggest exploring it! You'll learn a lot about yourself through gay art and also about those that came before you.

Also, Skank said Grace's "unapologetically gay approach" to music, not Gaga's. Reread his replies to you and you should be able to see what he's saying to you! Here's a link to the post so you can read it again!

the second part of your sentence is totally irrelevant. all things considered, you should not call yourself an educator. clearly, you alluded to the phrase; therefore, it implies that you are familiar with it. naturally, you are unable to admit that you were not precise. then again, when were you or, for that matter, grace humble? oh, right: never.

I'm slightly confused as to how you have you taken that out of context? If you look at my post (link) you'll see that I was telling you how to use the forum as you seemed to have forgotten?

Context is important but I can see from how you've taken Skank's replies, you tend to forget the context of posts? It's no biggy though, just make sure to read posts twice before replying!

[crisTEAne 21,059]

You seem to be really confused @skeleton.gun, let me try to help you! 

That's the problem, there are gay artists who wish to create gay art! Gay art is a wonderful way to express your identity and s-xuality. Have you been to a library recently? There's a section crammed full of gay literature that was written mostly by gay men and women for gay men and women! I don't think you're well experienced with gay art, due to your reaction but I really do suggest exploring it! You'll learn a lot about yourself through gay art and also about those that came before you.

by underlining the parts referring to me personally, i'm demonstrating that your only way of proving your point is by making assumptions and being presumptuous. 

Also, Skank said Grace's "unapologetically gay approach" to music, not Gaga's. Reread his replies to you and you should be able to see what he's saying to you! Here's a link to the post so you can read it again!

your reading comprehension skills are funny. he was talking about grace's influence on gaga by pointing out the similarities between them—including their approach to music. 

I'm slightly confused as to how you have you taken that out of context? If you look at my post (link) you'll see that I was telling you how to use the forum as you seemed to have forgotten?

Context is important but I can see from how you've taken Skank's replies, you tend to forget the context of posts? It's no biggy though, just make sure to read posts twice before replying!

right back at you: context is important. as you can see, you ignored it completely.

[Benji 20,113]

by underlining the parts referring to me personally, i'm demonstrating that your only way of proving your point is by making assumptions and being presumptuous.

Well you seem to have no idea on what gay art is? If that assumption offended you, I apologize but your reactions and phrasing insinuate a lack of knowledge with it.

your reading comprehensions are funny. he was talking about grace's influence on gaga by pointing out the similarities them—including their approach to music.

right back at you: context is important. as you can see, you ignored it completely.

Your way of wording things is bizarre? My reading comprehensions are funny? Did you mean my reading comprehension is funny? I'd assume English isn't your first language? It would explain why this exchange is taking so long. I rarely bother to write at my best on a forum, as at the end of the day, it's a forum so maybe it's not what you're used to? I don't know, assumptions seem to offend you but one can only assume when your reactions are so extreme to perfectly fine comments.

An influence doesn't insinuate that it's an exact replica. Gaga has catered and supported the LGBT+ community, the same way Grace was not afraid to cater to the community. I don't understand why you've got a bee up your bonnet over someone creating something for your community but that's your issue.

[LoveandMagic 1,731]

She's also been a villain in one of the must successful franchises ever; James Bond, in which she acted alongside Roger Moore ffs... how can people not know her? 

To be fair, I think Roger Moore is considered the worst Bond ever (even with a lot of Bond movies under his belt) and as such his Bond films are rarely shown on tv. Now had she been during the Timothy Dalton or Pierce Bronsan eras (which I see on tv ALL the time) she would probably be more familiar. 

[crisTEAne 21,059]

Your way of wording things is bizarre? My reading comprehensions are funny? Did you mean my reading comprehension is funny? I'd assume English isn't your first language? It would explain why this exchange is taking so long. I rarely bother to write at my best on a forum, as at the end of the day, it's a forum so maybe it's not what you're used to? I don't know, assumptions seem to offend you but one can only assume when your reactions are so extreme to perfectly fine comments.

i edited my post almost instantly and added the word skills. JFC.  

again, you just proved my point: your only way to prove your point is to personally attack me. 

[Benji 20,113]

i edited my post almost instantly and added the word skills. JFC.  

again, you just proved my point: your only way to prove your point is to personally attack the person. 

I'm not personally attacking you? You started acting shady towards me by quoting replies to me with "scalp ha" and liking posts that argued against me so I threw a little banter back to you? I then noticed you seemed to be missing the point being made to you about gay art and became hung up on someone trying to tell you what you're missing out on? I'm trying to understand why you're taking offence to someone saying gay art ... it's something to be proud of?

If you're that offended by my replies, you can add me to this list to ignore my posts; http://gagadaily.com/ignore/