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On Sunday, December 13, 2015 at 0:48 PM, SubRosa said:

 

 

 

 

And they wabt the West to ally with Assad to fight isis.. .

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9 minutes ago, TiphEret said:

And they wabt the West to ally with Assad to fight isis.. .

I hate when some say Assad is lesser evil of the two. That is like saying Syrian lives don't matter. He's responsible to ~250k deaths. IS won't be defeated unless he's defeated too. Free Syrian army needs help against him and IS.

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2 hours ago, SubRosa said:

I hate when some say Assad is lesser evil of the two. That is like saying Syrian lives don't matter. He's responsible to ~250k deaths. IS won't be defeated unless he's defeated too. Free Syrian army needs help against him and IS.

who will take assad's place? i mean who leads the free syrian army?

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4 minutes ago, Luiz said:

who should take assad's place?

 

Read this.

 

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24 minutes ago, SubRosa said:

 

Read this.

 

i read the comments as well. maybe shouldnt have  

 

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6 days ago

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I find it Ironic that Ahmad Alhineidi was able to study for free in Damascus University under the regime that he is calling oppressive. 

Alhineidi lives in Amman but has no problem with the Jordanian governments ties with Israel or the corruption rampant in Jordanian politics. It's only the politics of his country that he despises.

Let's remind him that FSA (as non existent as they are) do not have the support of the Syrian people, never have and never will. 

Washington Post poll showed Assad having 47% support whereas FSA 35%, NATO still tallies 70% of Syria as supporting Assad. So who is representing the Syrian people in this regard.

He sits there and defends a bunch of known barbarians and cannibals (Abu Sakkar anyone, the heart eater?)

Alhineidi glosses over the sectarian massacres committed by so-called FSA (Alorood car bomb in Damascus, Karm Zeytoon massacre in Homs) both targeting Alawite/Shia neighborhoods both by "FSA"

His main concern is the savior of Muslims, if he were truly Syrian he would demand that all sects of Islams and Christians be kept safe, not sit there and defend a militia whose slogans included "Alawites to the grave and Christians to Beirut"

His assumptions that FSA still exists in Syria is laughable.Aleppo is run with AQ affiliate terrorists, likewise in Damascus suburbs and in Hama. If he is suggesting that FSA fighters are now mainly scattered between IS and JN then I agree with him but to stand firm that a rebel army exists when all evidence points to the contrary is an insult to our intelligence.
The west has backed this “army” in the past but this has only resulted in countless divisions and fighters either running off to join Al-Qaeida or Isis. These fighters were armed and funded by western allies in the region, Turkey, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and they continue to fund the same fighters except now they can be found in Raqqa implementing Sharia law. He blindly ignores the evidence that those who fund Isis have no interest in ending this conflict.

Isis will only fall when the original backers of this so called revolution are stopped in their tracks. After all if the environment for festering sectarianism hadn’t existed in the first place among these fighters then where we would not see the savages of JN and Ahrar al-Sham and IS conducting beheadings in the middle of Syria.

He praises Riad Al-asaad for remaining 

'peaceful' yet ignores that he called AQ "our Islamic brothers", such high praise from the group they follow.

And where is Riad now? In a Turkish camp somewhere probably waiting to make his way to Europe. So much for the 'revolution'

If commentators on this article can plainly see that "FSA" and "Isis" are basically interchangeable entities then I see no reason as to why Alhineidi still blindly follows the idea that this ghost army he praises is the only way to defeat Isis. 

So thanks but no thanks but I think Syrians have made up their minds about who they want protecting them and it's not a bunch of cowards now calling themselves "dawlah"

[Luiz 4,253]

from what i read in history books, shifting to elections and democracy in a place that has gone through as much turmoil as syria has usually works for a bit at first before it devolves into a dictatorship but i'm not sure about how divided syria is or if the elections wont just be corrupt as hell and fall apart and back into civil war

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Anybody can be behind those comments. Only after few sentences you can see it's some lover of that regime. Yuck.

 

And who should replace him? Any non-serial killer.

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No 'regime change' in Syria: After talks in Moscow, Kerry accepts Russian stance on Assad

 

MOSCOW –  U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry on Tuesday accepted Russia's long-standing demand that President Bashar Assad's future be determined by his own people, as Washington and Moscow edged toward putting aside years of disagreement over how to end Syria's civil war.

"The United States and our partners are not seeking so-called regime change," Kerry told reporters in the Russian capital after meeting President Vladimir Putin. A major international conference on Syria would take place later this week in New York, Kerry announced.

Kerry reiterated the U.S. position that Assad, accused by the West of massive human rights violations and chemical weapons attacks, won't be able to steer Syria out of 4 ½ years of conflict.

But after a day of discussions with Assad's key international backer, Kerry said the focus now is "not on our differences about what can or cannot be done immediately about Assad." Rather, it is on facilitating a peace process in which "Syrians will be making decisions for the future of Syria."

 

more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/15/no-regime-change-in-syria-after-talks-in-moscow-kerry-accepts-russian-stance-on/

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Great links

I have seen this movie and it is amazing! http://www.cbc.ca/beta/arts/the-refugees-are-here-now-celebrated-doc-a-syrian-love-story-comes-to-canada-1.3425551?__vfz=tc%3DdJyFyoijYE2

Syrian interviews https://soundcloud.com/freecityradio/sets/syria-interviews

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Syrian rebels massacre Kurdish civilians in Aleppo

 

– Dozens of civilians, including women and children, were killed on Tuesday in attacks by Arab rebel groups on a Kurdish neighborhood in Syria’s northern Aleppo city, officials and activists told ARA News. 

The Kurdish neighborhood of Sheikh Mqsoud in Aleppo –held by fighters of the People’s Protection Units (YPG)– was exposed to heavy shelling by Islamist rebels on Tuesday.

At least 70 civilians were reported dead in the bombardment of Sheikh Maqsoud. 

“The situation in Sheikh Maqsoud is very bad, the attacks of these rebel groups are continuing, and most of the casualties are women and children,” Kurdish affairs analyst Mutlu Civiroglu told ARA News. 

“These groups want to take control of Sheikh Maqsoud at any cost. They are indiscriminately shelling the neighborhood and killing civilians,” Civiroglu said.

http://aranews.net/2016/04/syrian-rebels-massacre-kurdish-civilians-aleppo/

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On 12/14/2015 at 10:35 PM, Luiz said:

from what i read in history books, shifting to elections and democracy in a place that has gone through as much turmoil as syria has usually works for a bit at first before it devolves into a dictatorship but i'm not sure about how divided syria is or if the elections wont just be corrupt as hell and fall apart and back into civil war

Ideally there would be some long-term UN presence (and a certain level of 'control') over a new democratic Syria to ensure things run smoothly. BUT in reality, its obvious why Syrian people wouldn't want that. Especially considering the fact that many of the UN states that would be involved have played a role in the war.

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this terrorist attack wasnt really a big issue to constantly deal with until the internet came along and became globally used. the ideology of islamists was already there but the ability to communicate with muslims here has made it easy to get their message out. 

you have to stop the source of the message which is ISIS. you could say the source is the Quran because they read the quran and interpret it in a awful way because there may  be awful things in it. you can argue that historically islam has been accepting but terrorists do not care for history, they care about what is in the book. it doesnt mater what some islamic philosopher might have said in the golden age of islam, these people do not follow the teachings of history, they folllow the Quran.

but here is the thing, you will not stop the internet and you will never be able to change the words of the quran so what do you do?? take out ISIS through inaccurate drone strikes? get out of the iddle east entirely and leave it to be swallowed up by ISIS or just exist in perpetual warfare and allow the senseless loss of life to continue for decades.

or maybe let russia take over and spread their influence into the middle east? could be big problems in the future if our allies in ME and their allies in ME get into a squabble.

 

take them out now and quick with an invasion of syria and iraq with the help of NATO. after that welp, figure it out i guess. might have to stay there for a long time or support an american friendly dictator because that region cant have democracy if its so divided. I dont think redrawing borders is an easy solution either.

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On 14/06/2016 at 8:24 AM, Luiz said:

this terrorist attack wasnt really a big issue to constantly deal with until the internet came along and became globally used. the ideology of islamists was already there but the ability to communicate with muslims here has made it easy to get their message out. 

you have to stop the source of the message which is ISIS. you could say the source is the Quran because they read the quran and interpret it in a awful way because there may  be awful things in it. you can argue that historically islam has been accepting but terrorists do not care for history, they care about what is in the book. it doesnt mater what some islamic philosopher might have said in the golden age of islam, these people do not follow the teachings of history, they folllow the Quran.

but here is the thing, you will not stop the internet and you will never be able to change the words of the quran so what do you do?? take out ISIS through inaccurate drone strikes? get out of the iddle east entirely and leave it to be swallowed up by ISIS or just exist in perpetual warfare and allow the senseless loss of life to continue for decades.

or maybe let russia take over and spread their influence into the middle east? could be big problems in the future if our allies in ME and their allies in ME get into a squabble.

 

take them out now and quick with an invasion of syria and iraq with the help of NATO. after that welp, figure it out i guess. might have to stay there for a long time or support an american friendly dictator because that region cant have democracy if its so divided. I dont think redrawing borders is an easy solution either.

It's really a mess, but i wonder if maybe some Syrians could actually be in charge of finding solution. Syria was quite educated and doing not so bad besides the dictatorship of Assad so I am sure we can find some qualified citizen for that. I think one the biggest issue in the ME is the constant interference of foreign forces, now do they ask for outsiders help? If that's the case maybe, but how can you have stability if you don't even give the right for self determination? In any case I think the situation is a lot more complex and there is some things we don't know to have the whole picture, like the role and impact of surrounding countries and such...