Yanko 9,860 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 saying ARTPOP is not experimental is bringing down gagas work when the woman herself has said that every song is targeted for the radio? i dont understand but okay Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleachella 2,932 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Just a general reminder to please keep discussion on-topic and steer VERY clear from personal attacks and insults and all that bad stuff This thread is on the brink of locking and a WP explosion if things go further downhill Thanks I think you've been a mod long enough to know exactly who the people who throw the personal insults around are, and you know they wont stop Harold does not deserve this disgusting behavior y'all, BEHAVE YOURSELVES Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JusKeepBreathin 19,311 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 "ARTPOP is simply too conventional to be experimental." Let me clarify this. The songwriting, singing techniques, and instrumentation employed on ARTPOP are simply too conventional to be experimental. Now I have, without a doubt, acknowledged the thesis of Enigma's argument and disagreed with it.I'm sorry if I haven't made myself clear with what I'm trying to say. I still haven't reduced anyone's argument to a simple case of delusion or hatred. Now that is being dismissive.The songwriting in ARTPOP is conventional? Are you talking about the verse chorus structure or the lyrics. Its pop remember. The lyrics themselves have many metaphors they are not conventional. There is nothing safe about the lyrics on ARTPOP. Singing techniques like the ones heard on Gypsy or Swine are not common at all. Instrumentation like the ones heard on Venus, Aura, Applause and basically the entire album are not found in pop. "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." -Martin Luther King Jr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewStevens 5,249 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 I don't think it was that experimental if we compare it to the music that was being released during that time. But I do think that it was quite experimental for Gaga and she tried to incorporate new things to some of the songs.Applause was for me one of the most unique songs. The vocals were very different and definitely Bowie style. The song was heavily influenced by 'Drum & Bass' and '8-bit' music, both very unpopular sounds in the pop industry. Aura was another song where she experimented with a new sound, complextro. It wasn't very unexplored since Kesha used it on her latest album Warrior but Gaga went deep into the genre and created something very different with a non conventional structure.Sure, tracks like Donatella, Fashion!, Gypsy, Swine, GUY, Sexxx Dreams and ARTPOP were not very experimental but I do think that songs like Do What U Want and Mary Jane Holland were experimental for Gaga. No one expected her to release a R&B song with a New Wave beat.So in my opinion the album itself wasn't experimental but at least half of the album had an unique sound for Pop music and it was risky, something that Gaga has kept doing since her first release. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quark 7,098 Posted September 1, 2015 Author Share Posted September 1, 2015 Let's take a look at your reasons that ARTPOP is so experimental. "Venus uses is collage of related words to paint an overall theme" - what does this even mean? This isn't actually saying anything, this is more or less just a description of song lyrics... "Aura uses a collage of Gaga's emotions and Ideas to provide and inside look into her mind" - once again... You could say this about virtually any song ever. "In Sex Dreams, Gaga takes the roles of two different characters, one that talks and one that sings, one that is dreaming and one that is not, in order to showcase her feelings." - an interesting technique, but not 'experimental songwriting' at all "With the title song ARTPOP, Gaga uses many artistic metaphors to describe her feelings." - metaphors in a song? Very groundbreaking. "And with Gypsy, Gaga takes the classical route of songwriting but still sings as if she was people." - breaking news, Lady Gaga sings from the perspective of human being on her new album. "When she wants to pay a tribute to an artist, she emulates the artist's vocal style while still retaining some of her own style" - Gaga is the first artist to ever switch up her vocals in a song??? "And there are other times when she screams, squeals, and or changes her falsetto style depending on the emotion and style of song." - none of this is experimenting... "Falsetto" has existed literally forever and making noises such as squeals and screams are not the mark of vocal innovation either... The album has some moments of good songwriting and good vocals, but there's nothing new there. Don't even get me started on the production when most of the instrumentals just got emailed to her and she sang over them. It's a good pop album but if you really think that it's innovative and experimental in any way then you must have not heard a lot of music outside of mainstream pop. LOL, I think you misunderstood my point. And my point is that the album is experimental because no one really tries so much writing and singing styles within the same album. The diversity is an experimentation itself. But anyways, even within some of the single points I pointed out. You could find experimentation. For example, for Venus, what I mean is that Gaga uses all kinds of words in a collage/juxtaposition form, rather then in a storytelling straightforward form (like most artists do). In Aura, Gaga talks about random things personal to her in order to personify her disordered and complex mind, once again attempting a new experimental type of song writing. And I could go on about the other points too. ARTPOP just has a very unconventional and experimental type of songwriting and singing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quark 7,098 Posted September 1, 2015 Author Share Posted September 1, 2015 Ridiculous how he bends his mind in order to make Gaga appear to be this experimental, risky artist. I don't bend anything. You on the other hand make excuses for anything. Remember when you were trying to convince me that Madonna was more talented than MJ . And you had an excuse for everything I said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quark 7,098 Posted September 1, 2015 Author Share Posted September 1, 2015 I don't hear it... Its obvious Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XoXoJoanneGaga 629 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Frank Zappa, Pink Floyd, David Bowie.<---- Experimental pop. ARTPOP takes cues from all these artists so does BTW. Both experimental pop albums they are not the only experimental pop albums out there but the one thread is about.1) Gaga has had the same influences since her first album, I'm not sure why you're making a distinction with the last two albums when The Fame is actually the one with the most prevalent Bowie influence.2) Those artists/bands pushed the boundaries of popular music decades ago, you can't give Gaga credit for that or call her music experimental or innovative when she's emulating sounds and ideas that are decades old to a less complex degree. Zappa was experimental in the 60's, he took pop and rock down entirely undiscovered roads with his album Freak Out, and he's influenced countless popular artists since then, none of whom are experimental because they didn't do it first, it's been done before many times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quark 7,098 Posted September 1, 2015 Author Share Posted September 1, 2015 It's not even experimental pop though What do you call Aura, then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quark 7,098 Posted September 1, 2015 Author Share Posted September 1, 2015 saying ARTPOP is not experimental is bringing down gagas work when the woman herself has said that every song is targeted for the radio? i dont understand but okay That is the pop side of ARTPOP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjang 2,262 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 I don't bend anything. You on the other hand make excuses for anything. Remember when you were trying to convince me that Madonna was more talented than MJ . And you had an excuse for everything I said. I said Like a Prayer was more critically acclaimed than any MJ album, which is the truth if you compare them by their acclaim during the active timespan of the albums (and not three decades later after MJ's death). Never tried to convince you that Madonna was more talented, just presented you with facts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quark 7,098 Posted September 1, 2015 Author Share Posted September 1, 2015 I said Like a Prayer was more critically acclaimed than any MJ album, which is the truth if you compare them by their acclaim during the active timespan of the albums (and not three decades later after MJ's death). Never tried to convince you that Madonna was more talented, just presented you with facts. Well weren't you showing me that as a "proof" of Madonna's greater talent? Also, Thriller was just as critically acclaimed during its time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjang 2,262 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Well weren't you showing me that as a "proof" of Madonna's greater talent? Also, Thriller was just as critically acclaimed during its time.Not really, just stimulating you by blocking your ignorance with my own. Wrong, Thriller was acclaimed but it shot to a whole new level of acclaim after his death. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yanko 9,860 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 That is the pop side of ARTPOP the album is full of top 40 pop bops so i dont really see this "other" side but okay Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiunzhan 997 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Gaga is u? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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