Didymus 32,880 Posted August 28, 2015 Author Share Posted August 28, 2015 What confuses and annoys me more is the preaching of "Music not the bling" yet she was begging her fans to stream Applause on a loop and all the other thirsty stuff she did during that time. One second she cares for music, next the bling. Yeah. Some fans apparently explain it as: "She only said that to appear victorious even if she was having a commercial decline." I don't think there are many fans left who take that Music not the bling thing seriously anymore Or they interpret it in their own way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gypsy Life 118,907 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 That quote and those examples have nothing to do with each other.Voice edits and performances cancelations have nothing to do with 'being herself'. They're just normal situations or problems within the industry.Now if she released an album Katy Perry or Jason Derulo-style, that'd make her a hypocrite and a sellout. Otherwise no. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 32,880 Posted August 28, 2015 Author Share Posted August 28, 2015 That quote and those examples have nothing to do with each other. Voice edits and performances cancelations have nothing to do with 'being herself'. They're just normal situations or problems within the industry. Just because they're normal (in the POP industry) doesn't mean Gaga has to submit to them The dumbing down of a performance because MTV didn't support her artistic vision definitely has to do with being yourself as an artist imo. I'm not calling her a hypocrite and sellout because of that though btw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewUsername 10,411 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Well, in this business and in life in general you have to compromise, it's normal.I hope and think there's a great amount of integrity to her saying these things, but of course she makes it sound more beautiful and "is a walking hyperbole" like another user on here said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chic 20,830 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 At her fingertips, as a pop star of her caliber, is a near limitless supply of material objects that allow her full expression of her identity to come through. As a pop star, there will always be fashion designers flocking to make Gaga a new dress, stylists ready to craft her a new wig, producers wanting to work with her, and the millions of fans. By going underground, she would eventually run out of funding for her luxurious lifestyle at the rate she changes her clothes/appearance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 32,880 Posted August 28, 2015 Author Share Posted August 28, 2015 At her fingertips, as a pop star of her caliber, is a near limitless supply of material objects that allow her full expression of her identity to come through. There will always be fashion designers flocking to make Gaga a new dress, stylists ready to craft her a new wig, producers wanting to work with her, and the millions of fans. By going underground, she would eventually run out of funding for her luxurious lifestyle at the rate she changes her clothes/appearance. I always thought she chose pop music for this reason, contrary to what she said herself. Well, in some instances she seemed to say what I thought she was about as an artist: having an immense platform to spread her ideas from that she'd never have in another genre. So yeah, I can definitely imagine that ARTPOP as a message is more a hope and a promise that art and pop can belong together but, in all irony, the impossibility of that at that point of her career made the entire era collapse. It almost seems calculated, it's crazy 'cause she is a much more ARTPOP state of mind after the era was ruined Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chic 20,830 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 I always thought she chose pop music for this reason, contrary to what she said herself. Well, in some instances she seemed to say what I thought she was about as an artist: having an immense platform to spread her ideas from that she'd never have in another genre. So yeah, I can definitely imagine that ARTPOP as a message is more a hope and a promise that art and pop can belong together but, in all irony, the impossibility of that at that point of her career made the entire era collapse. It almost seems calculated, it's crazy 'cause she is a much more ARTPOP state of mind after the era was ruined The concept of ARTPOP did not work for the album. That terminology better describes her music as a whole, genre-wise. Her music has always been a fusion of artistic imagery and sonically pop music. ARTPOP conceptually could have been an EP or a tour idea, but it just wasn't right for an album. When ARTPOP failed to meet Gaga-level expectations, it was neither viewed as quality marketable pop or anything truly groundbreaking artistically. It had all too many chances to fail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjang 2,262 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 The concept of ARTPOP did not work for the album. That terminology better describes her music as a whole, genre-wise. Her music has always been a fusion of artistic imagery and sonically pop music. ARTPOP conceptually could have been an EP or a tour idea, but it just wasn't right for an album. When ARTPOP failed to meet Gaga-level expectations, it was neither viewed as quality marketable pop or anything truly groundbreaking artistically. It had all too many chances to fail.I agree. You're 100% right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Pinkman 4,660 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Gaga seems to be very emotional and wears her heart on her sleeve. She probably felt that way at the time, but remember when she said Tony reignited her flame again? She fired her entire team and hired a new staff, so she actually did something about the situation. And lastly, she has a contract to fulfil, so she can't just up and retire. Yeah she can buy herself out of it, but that would be very expensive.All in All, Gaga was hurt by ARTPOP flopping, her management, and many other things. But she did do something about the situation and is now happier. She said multiple times that Tony saved her life. She was suicidal before she started recording C2C. It's science, bitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 32,880 Posted August 28, 2015 Author Share Posted August 28, 2015 Gaga seems to be very emotional and wears her heart on her sleeve. She probably felt that way at the time, but remember when she said Tony reignited her flame again? She fired her entire team and hired a new staff, so she actually did something about the situation. And lastly, she has a contract to fulfil, so she can't just up and retire. Yeah she can buy herself out of it, but that would be very expensive. All in All, Gaga was hurt by ARTPOP flopping, her management, and many other things. But she did do something about the situation and is now happier. She said multiple times that Tony saved her life. She was suicidal before she started recording C2C. Agreed. I also wonder how long her contract still stands, do you happen to know or anyone? I'd be curious to see what she's gonna do when she has the possibility of renewing it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Pinkman 4,660 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Agreed. I also wonder how long her contract still stands, do you happen to know or anyone? I'd be curious to see what she's gonna do when she has the possibility of renewing it. Thats a good question! I have no idea. Â I'm hoping she didn't sign a 7 album deal like Kesha did.. Â It's science, bitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUKKIE 457 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 HONESTLY,,, i dont care, as long as a sista gives us great pop songs, and snatch weaves im good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTPOPNick 3,486 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 This. She contradicts herself all the time. So that means She isn't engaged? Really? still here? Â Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropico 4,145 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 I think she feels that Interscope does indeed try to run her career, but they never have entire control. So while they may change some things or reject some ideas, she'll go back to the drawing board and comes up with an idea which is still staying true to herself. It's compromise.  This is probably the case with many artists.  ♢ Social Justice Enthusiast ♢ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DietCoke 386 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Well, I mean, being yourself doesn't necessarily mean you can't compromise.(Just to address some of the interesting points you brought up:)The vocal editing was out of her control (she's said producers would "sneak" in and alter her voice).  MTV didn't allow a performance so she had to change it; I don't think this would make her that upset that she'd feel like she couldn't be herself. It was in MTVs control. Applause sales were probably not related of those claims; who doesn't want success? And her not choosing singles is her being herself: like you said, she doesn't like to do that, so she doesn't do that. Overall, I think her claims deal with the type of music she creates and the type of fashion she wears and the type of performances she puts on. I feel her "being myself" statement is applied to the general, basic components of her career. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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