ARTPOP was never about ''artistic music''

[VforVendetta 2,024]

In 2012 before the release of ARTPOP we all had interpeted the concept of the album like the songs would be very ''artistic'' and stuff and it was obviously ok (though it's a bit off cause you can't really define this by using ''art'' in your title) but it's funny that we are in 2015, 2 years after the release of the album and still many fans don't get idead of the project.

To explain it simply, ARTPOP was never the theme of the album like Born This Way was a self-empowerment album and The Fame an album talking about obsession with being famous. 

ARTPOP is the concept of fusing Pop(ular) music with elements of ''higher'' or ''lower'' art and other pop culure stuff. It's very obvious and that's why the album doesn't have a theme, it's what Andy Warhol did but for the Pop music and this is why it's popart reversed. 

Fans keep whinning about how BTW music is more complex than ARTPOP etc but that was never the point of the album. In ARTPOP Gaga took the Pop music of the time (mainly EDM but also some RnB, Hip Hop and trap) and added pop culture elements lyrically and visually.

By using lyrics like: do you wanna peek underneath the cover, one second I',m a koons ... art's in pop culture in me, paint your face, etc. or visuals like the koons gazing ball, a black swann breathing fire, minecraft statues, the birth of Venus, Jesus or MJ etc and technology like The App all mixed up with electronic beats of our decade Gaga did just that. Sonically ARTPOP never needed or aimed to be as complex as BTW and it's not, ARTPOP just needed to be modern, the rest depended always on the visuals/whole Era. Of course the era never fully worked for all the known reasons and so we never experienced the whole project.

Still ARTPOP never failed to be what it was meant to be like some fans claim. You can judge the album for being less challenging when it comes to the music if you view it from that standpoint alone, it's ok, you can judge it for not pushing as much Pop music into new directions as Gaga's previous albums, it's true. But that was never the point of the album. ARTPOP was always an idea about fusing modern Pop with Pop culture Elements and it did just that. It was a unique concept for a Pop project and it was a nice ride. Now the percent of people that are happy with the concept is subjective and everyone can have a different opinion.

Just to clarify this cause many people here still use the quote " Previous Gaga albums are more ARTPOP than ARTPOP" which is a misguided opinion.

[Koreku 2,387]

I agree with it all. 

Inb4 "ARTPOP could mean anything" jokes. 

[kizurl 1,801]

The idea of presenting an 'artistic' work is ludicrous in itself. 'Artisticness' isnt an aesthetic that one can just adopt.

[VforVendetta 2,024]

I agree with it all. 

Inb4 "ARTPOP could mean anything" jokes. 

Yet, it's true that the album doesn;t have a theme cause it doesn't need a theme and that's one of the facts that make it innovative. The album is about mixing modern pop (of any kind and theme) with pop culture elements.

[blacklistedd 599]

I don't even feel as though it successfully accomplished what you're saying it did.

She made an enjoyable but mediocre pop record that had no true discernible point of view and was visually executed quite badly imo (for the most part anyway). Idk.

Solely mixing elements isn't enough to give it credibility, it has to hold up regardless. And imo it doesn't. Its fine as a top 40 effort and better than some of her peers imo, but as far as it accomplishing mixing elements it wasn't truly successful. It was just a more blatant example of her awkwardly trying to put her money where her mouth is and be eccentric while also being incredibly commercial. Its a manifestation of her lack of balance.

[Highway10 1,072]

Artistic Revolution Through the Potential of Pop

 

[VforVendetta 2,024]

I don't even feel as though it successfully accomplished what you're saying it did.

She made an enjoyable but mediocre pop record that had no true discernible point of view and was visually executed quite badly imo (for the most part anyway). Idk.

It did it, there are countless Pop culture adds in the whole concept, from the outfits, to the videos and the lyrics. But lt's not forget that it's more of a movent/concept and less a record alone. If you see it as just a record yes it is funny, it is unique as all Gaga record, it has it's moments that it's strange over the top and different like all Gaga records but it isn't tha special like the previous records. That's because the music alone was never meant to tell the story.

Now if you did like the result it's subjective and it depends from your personal taste of course.

[VforVendetta 2,024]

The idea of presenting an 'artistic' work is ludicrous in itself. 'Artisticness' isnt an aesthetic that one can just adopt.

Yes, which proves my post.

[blacklistedd 599]

It did it, there are countless Pop culture adds in the whole concept, from the outfits, to the videos and the lyrics. But lt's not forget that it's more of a movent/concept and less a record alone. If you see it as just a record yes it is funny, it is unique as all Gaga record, it has it's moments that it's strange over the top and different like all Gaga records but it isn't tha special like the previous records. That's because the music alone was never meant to tell the story.

Now if you did like the result it's subjective and it depends from your personal taste of course.

Yes she mixed those elements, and I can say that I want to put a feather on my cap and actually put it on. Doesn't make it fashionable.

[VforVendetta 2,024]

Yes she mixed those elements, and I can say that I want to put a feather on my cap and put it on there. Doesn't make it fashionable.

The thing is that a feather in a cup is not part of Pop culture. 

The same comment can not be said about this though.

You may see just a yellow banana (and it is just that) but this image is a part of Pop culture and you can't deny it. You can judge it but you can't change the facts.

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[VforVendetta 2,024]

Not to be rude but i feel like the whole concept of ARTPOP is above some of the average mainstream pop music fans to understand.

I think the problem is that Gaga never explained it well. (like many things that didnlt happen this era)

[Stephen 30,420]

to me, the fact that Jeff Koons' work is on the album cover of a highly commercial artist, is the achievement in itself. It's the reverse of what warhol did it's ARTPOP.

[Benji 20,113]

I'm pretty sure I used to say this to you (despite the overrating of the whole concept and achievements) if we argued about ARTPOP and you disagreed with me

ARTPOP (the album), from what I've experienced listening to it. Is basically an ensemble of different styles and genres whilst retaining their clear main genre; pop. The concept of 'ARTPOP' isn't really in the music because it's not meant to be, it's just a tool to be used in creating amazing performances, art pieces, videos etc but obviously this never happened for numerous reasons. I also believe the app was supposed to be a huge part of the era and the album was merely a basic release to give the public, whilst the fans enjoyed various releases on the app and online.

Now, I won't go into my opinions on the album on it's own because I've always thought it's unfair to tear into what is an okay but not fully flourished album, but I hope people will stop saying to each other "YOU DON'T GET ARTPOP" when really, even if they did "get it" ... it's not like that's an achievement because we got nothing in comparison to what was planned.

[Hauser 1,262]

Sorry but is all a bunch of crap, like even Gaga doesn't know what this album was supposed to be about (putting art in the front, it could mean anything, rebellion, etc list goes on with the descriptions she gave on the concept but that's a whole other issue). An album can be about farts or something so idiotic or simple but as long as the music and execution is good there wouldn't be a problem and that is what obviously lacked with ARTPOP. So we can sit here and write essays on what ARTPOP really meant or why it didn't resonate with the masses the way we wished it did, at the end of the day the concept of "ARTPOP" itself is up for debate.