Florian 19,952 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Her explanations managed to give each individual song more substance in hindsight (even "Telephone", which I find to be insipid anyway), but their connection to each other is, for me, a bit flimsy. Doesn't even matter though, because the songs themselves are a blast.Do you mean sonically or in a conceptual way? And I agree with the Telephone remark, the explaination is a bit forced and exagerated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiltedbliss 915 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 No. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 ARTPOP sounds dated and Gaga really alienated the GP with her artsy fartsy things. Gaga alienated the GP with BTW, from everything from the gay speeches and focus, to the 99 cent special (troy's stupid idea), the overexposure (once again...Troy), the facial horns, to the overall looks and even her general attitude. Gags went into ARTPOP at a disadvantage with the GP.With her more toned down and less overexposed approach overall, and her side projects, she might just be rebranding herself here...at least for general attitudes from the media and the general public. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimus 298 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Of course it deserved its floppage. Such a bad album..I mean..is it even an album? Its just a collection of random songs. Bad overproduced songs, trashy lyrics, terrible vocals on some songs... at some people still playing the management card. Even you promote the hell out of an album, if the music is bad- people will not buy it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djBuffoon 12,110 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Do you mean sonically or in a conceptual way? And I agree with the Telephone remark, the explaination is a bit forced and exagerated.The latter. I can't judge a Gaga album sonically because all of her albums center around one general sound, yet run an enormous gamut of genres and influences. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAMROD 108,976 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I strongly disagree.The irony in all of this is,ARTPOP debuted at Number Onein in the US, the UK and Japan and was Top Five in most others.The music isn’t the problem.It is more to the technical parts. If you listen to the record from beginning to end, it’s a proper album. The record then systematically deconstructs the entire relationship we have with her as an icon but never in a preachy way.Still there’s been a shift in perception and it’s noticeably less favourable.The fact is, although her album went #1, in actuality, her selling power was falling 86% in the USA during that era.Because people tired of her image to the point she was called as attention seeker than something more sophisticated that she once called as.People sees her as a character than a person, or an artist she is.And majority of the press making her as the enemy isn't really helping either.Which is why I suspect she started to dress down as of late and acts like everyone else.And now, after C2C released,we had witnessed that the fact is people can love her.They just tired of gimmicks, I suppose.ARTPOP as an album title is not something people can take very lightly.It sounds arrogant to some, so these people were giving her, 'I won't/can't deal with this contrived BS" attitude. (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ✧*:･ﾟ 𝘸𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥𝘢 𝘴𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥𝘢 𝘤𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥𝘢, 𝘥𝘪𝘥𝘯'𝘵 (*´艸｀*) ♡♡♡ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjang 2,262 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Her shtick got old with this record, everything wise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katie14 4,828 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I fail to see how the songs on ARTPOP are worse than the songs on her previous albums. I don't love every song but on all her albums there are a few that don't hit it right with me. I remember loving it right when it came out and I still do. I was so disappointed and almost depressed about how everyone seemed to be tearing it apart. I really think that a lot of people's opinions on the album are heavily clouded and influenced by the media's reaction to it and some bad critic reviews. We are creatures who crave validation, validation that what we like and are interested in is actually good and worthy of being appreciated. I am a victim of this myself. I know for sure that my perception of quality gets skewed based on what other people think. I think this is something that decreases as you get older and figure out exactly what you enjoy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GawdGa 1,399 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 it depends on what you look for in music drag it all you want but ARTPOP is my fav ☠ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doot 2 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Aside from maybe Swine, there wasn't any EDM on this album. Any actual EDM fan would know that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
socotra 3,310 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Completely disagree. It's all subjective. For some people, ARTPOP is the epitome of failure (although I think their opinion is influenced heavily by its performance - for some reason how popular a song is equates how good it is), whereas for others ARTPOP is Gaga's biggest musical triumph. It's personally my favorite album of hers. I feel like each song has its own strength and is unique from one another. Each track is great in its own way, there's not a song that I absolutely hate (although Donatella comes close, yet I still can listen to it and enjoy it). I get the urge to compare ARTPOP to her past albums, its natural, but I don't really think you can. She's grown in her style and ARTPOP and say, The Fame, can't really be compared. The Fame tries to accomplish something completely different than ARTPOP and was written by Gaga in a completely different state of mind with different experiences fresh in her mind. Therefore, in my opinion, comparing ARTPOP and her others records is like comparing a German Shepherd to a golden retriever. They're both big dogs, but they're inherently different.To say that ARTPOP lacks the "catchiness" and "iconic" factors of Gaga's prior songs makes little sense to me. Like I said before, I feel like each song is fantastic but that's all based on opinion. I just don't think you can compare ARTPOP and prior works when one's red and one's blue. Maybe you like red, maybe you like blue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redstreak 6,653 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I think people here cling to heavily to the management argument. Yes it was an issue, but they talk as though if she had great management that ARTPOP would have been the smash era to end all eras and that's just not true the music itself was just not that great. People generally don't follow eras. They don't really know if this performance on some radio talk show was bad or what she said in this random interview, but if the music itself is good people will listen. There's a reason she, Katy, and Miley all generally received the same critical reviews Take a moment to think of just flexibility, love, and trust~ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBEY 57,109 Posted June 11, 2015 Author Share Posted June 11, 2015 You really think that ARTPOP sold less then the predicted, because of it's ''poor quality''?... I just laughed out loud. ARTPOP. WAS. NOT. A. SMASH. JUST. BECAUSE. OF. THE. ALWFUL. MANAGMENT. "I just laughed out loud" Applause had great promotion, even if it was rush-released : radio interviews everywhere, GMA performance, GMA music video premiere, VMAs, the muppets and so on. ARTPOP had great promotion too (not as much as BTW but stil, it was okay imo) and wasnt the cover revealed in TIMES SQUARE. I mean that was a great promo. DWUW still got some great performances it could not even go top 10 on itunes after the AMAs, the Beats commercial and The Voice... Management and promotion isn't everything, the music itself has a big role in success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsvet 676 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 have you poisoned urself with shrooms, gurl, ARTPOP is ha best Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swan Heart 7,382 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 "I just laughed out loud" Applause had great promotion, even if it was rush-released : radio interviews everywhere, GMA performance, GMA music video premiere, VMAs, the muppets and so on. ARTPOP had great promotion too (not as much as BTW but stil, it was okay imo) and wasnt the cover revealed in TIMES SQUARE. I mean that was a great promo. DWUW still got some great performances it could not even go top 10 on itunes after the AMAs, the Beats commercial and The Voice... Management and promotion isn't everything, the music itself has a big role in success. I disagree. If quality is that important, we'll have Bjork selling millions of records, not Taylor Swift... Music itself is not important these days. Just go look at the charts and you would see that 80% of the songs there are just bs and nothing more. They say it's the last song. They don't know us, you see. It's only the last song if we let it be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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