HausOfMiklaus 1,803 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Interesting. I know it seems stupid but I kind of wish Gaga would ditch Christianity It doesn't interfere with her work negatively though? And she always uses it as a source of Iconography and themes. That's what the Almight wants. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branson 4 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 A lot of you need to realize that just because she says she isn't Christian, doesn't mean she doesn't believe in God. She identifies with deism, most likely, kind of like me. We believe in God, in a higher power. What she says makes perfect sense. I just gained an incredible amount of respect for Katy for coming out and saying this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsterMum 2,532 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 She says she prays to God... P.S Atheism slays your fav religions. If she prays to a god then she is not atheist. Dunno what she is but as long as she's happy that's fine. The part what bugs me most tho, is the non-believers being even more passionate in trying to convince believers that there is no God. I'm Catholic and will speak about it when asked or share my opinion. I wish sometimes atheists could do the same tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuraBurqaSwag 0 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 i appreciate her honesty.. she doesn't need to follow blindly the beliefs that she's raised up with Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redstreak 6,653 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 If she prays to a god then she is not atheist. Dunno what she is but as long as she's happy that's fine. The part what bugs me most tho, is the non-believers being even more passionate in trying to convince believers that there is no God. I'm Catholic and will speak about it when asked or share my opinion. I wish sometimes atheists could do the same tbh. that's not exactly true. Sure there are some militant atheists, but for the most part atheists don't care. Religions on the other hand are required to convert others. Take a moment to think of just flexibility, love, and trust~ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsterMum 2,532 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 that's not exactly true. Sure there are some militant atheists, but for the most part atheists don't care. Religions on the other hand are required to convert others. Militant atheists or militant believers (of any religion) are both equally wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow 6,526 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 If truth is so relative, is anything true at all? Believing in different truths is one thing, but gravity is truth for us all and that is absolute, people around here just call it a fact. "Any act, if in accordance with the will, is an act of magic." - Aleister Crowley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Space 14 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Doesn't she have a jesus tattoo? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tristessa 0 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 If truth is so relative, is anything true at all? Believing in different truths is one thing, but gravity is truth for us all and that is absolute, people around here just call it a fact. In this context, we're talking about religion and religious beliefs. There is no concrete, objective truth when it comes to these matters, if you ask me. EDIT: Wrong. Before anyone else comments, what I mean is, there is not one that we can objectively know, we only have our beliefs on such things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda 88 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 lol, wait, what? Are you talking about the tattoo or about what she believes? None of us know the absolute truth about everything, but we all have our own beliefs on things. My truth may not be the same as yours or someone else's.Actually, if a statement can be true or false, then it will be true of false for everyone. Something can't be true for you and false for someone else. Either God exists or he doesn't. What you believe means nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tristessa 0 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Actually, if a statement can be true or false, then it will be true of false for everyone. Something can't be true for you and false for someone else. Either God exists or he doesn't. What you believe means nothing. You guys are taking my words too literally. The key word here is your. If she doesn't believe in any certain religion, that is her truth, her own sacred truth that she holds dear to herself. It was a figure of speech (and a Gaga quote, if anyone got it, lol), I'm not talking about what is objectively true or false. If a Muslim believes Christ is a prophet and a Christian believes Christ is the Savior, is one of these beliefs objectively false? Yes, but that belief is still a sacred truth to them, and they act according to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsterMum 2,532 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Actually, if a statement can be true or false, then it will be true of false for everyone. Something can't be true for you and false for someone else. Either God exists or he doesn't. What you believe means nothing. Well, you're right from a scientific point of view. But a belief is what is it is. One can choose to believe something or not. It's like the creed for Catholics that says: I BELIEVE in the Holy Catholic church. You accept it as the representation of the truth. But nobody can be sure can they? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vernier 3,786 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Good for her, wonder what her preacher parents think Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow 6,526 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 In this context, we're talking about religion and religious beliefs. There is no concrete, objective truth when it comes to these matters, if you ask me. When I think of objective truth, it has to true for everyone. Truth isn't invented, it is discovered. The world was round long before humanity discovered it. The only thing that makes beliefs relative is our inability to prove without a reasonable doubt if one belief is true or not. If you think about it, as strange as some of them sound, they are each a hypothesis for how everything came to be and its purpose or if there is a purpose. It gives people structure and make sense of life enough to function in harmony with others, with the morality it brings. I think that is what Katy means by accountability, even if she sounds hypocritical. She appears to have a theist view of things. She doesn't have to answer to anyone, even her parents, at her age, but if she has to answer to a higher power, it keeps her ego and actions in check if she's honestly referring to accountability. "Any act, if in accordance with the will, is an act of magic." - Aleister Crowley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tristessa 0 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 When I think of objective truth, it has to true for everyone. Truth isn't invented, it is discovered. The world was round long before humanity discovered it. The only thing that makes beliefs relative is our inability to prove without a reasonable doubt if one belief is true or not. If you think about it, as strange as some of them sound, they are each a hypothesis for how everything came to be and its purpose or if there is a purpose. It gives people structure and make sense of life enough to function in harmony with others, with the morality it brings. We will all inevitably be bound by objective truth, you are right about that, but our beliefs are not always bound by it. A belief in Christ as a Savior is not necessarily an objective truth, but it is still something that people believe en masse. Again, I think some of you guys are taking what I said way too literally. My comment was not meant to be commentary on the veracity of Katy's beliefs, it was meant to say that we are all allowed to believe what we choose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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