Katy Perry aims to release next album in 2016

[Serendipity 7,821]

​yeah from both Gaga and Katy.. Who cares who is beating the other in charts 

​Don't start Roar vs Applause now again

[Nein 508]

The arguments here  

[Kacey Elizabeth 900]

​How about not. You got really angry there, didn't you? And I actually do have a degree in musical education and I will be attending BYU in the fall to begin studying for a masters. Just because something intimidates you, doesn't mean its a lie. You are a small child in a big world and you have no idea how to live in it. I think you need to realize that Katy isn't perfect like you think she is. You keep posting nonsense about how amazing she is when she is just mediocre at best, just like her song writing. You can lay all of her songs on the same four chords, which by the way isn't a good thing...  You are saying her performances are the best when you are incredibly BIASED to your own side. In order to fully understand and provide an accurate judgement you need to be neutral. In order to prove that Katy is the best, your data can't be just Katy, it has to be others too. Gaga could easily sing circles around Katy any day. Ariana would destroy Katy and so would Christina, Sia, and Jesse J... You are obviously tone deaf. Also, why are you even on a Gaga site if you're just here to promote Katy and bash Gaga? Get a life... or stop existing... either one will do. 

Although I do admit I kind of got angry (because of your nonsense and lies), but it still doesn't changes the fact that you are only making up lies. You pretty much stole all of the things that I used towards you and to describe you in my comment and used them in yours. Katy is not the best singer/vocalist. I never said that. But she isn't the worst either. She is good, and with some more training, she can become in the level of Gaga, Sia, Jessie J, and Ariana. Christiana despite having a great voice, just screams at top of her lungs. Artistry and musicality don't revolve around just voice quality and vocal talent. There are many things to artistry and musicality. You obviously haven't listened to all of Katy's songs. She might have a few songs that can be played on the same four chords (which is something within all recording artists' material), but that's not the case with rest of her songs at all. You are just exaggerating. Katy is far above mediocre and I can clearly tell that you're a hater. 

I don't bash Gaga. I love Gaga not only as a artist/musician, but also as a person. Even though I was not a fan of Born This Way or ARTPOP as albums, I loved all her work before those two albums. And the reason I talk about Katy here is because they have threads about her, so since I'm a KatyCat, I an obviously going to talk about her and defend her.

[StrawberryBlond 14,672]

The ones that Whispering named were pop songs combined with R&B and hip hop (none of them are trap), but we're talking about a trap song having a huge success and dominating the mainstream media which is dominated by dance and pop. I know that Katy is a popster and that Dark Horse is not going to change the fact that she is one, but that's not we're talking about. And Dark Horse is pretty much her only attempt to make urban music (well, besides Who Am I Living For?, which is R&B). Dark Horse is a trap and hip hop track. At first I thought that trap and urban (and all those other genres) were separate but I researched it and found out that they both fall under the same category. Sorry for my mistake about that.

Can you give me a trap song which was released in 2012 and so on and was a success with radios, streams, views, sales, and charts? 

Dark Horse wasn't even planned to be released as a official single. It was first released as a promotional single, and it was a success, so Katy decided to release it as a official single. Katy said that it's success was completely unexpected. Even though pop and dance kind of slowed down in 2013 and more genres were brought back and introduced to mainstream, they still remained the dominant genres. Maybe it became kind of different in UK, but that was/is not the case here in the US. 

How do you know that Katy's fanbase is not that diverse? Have you met every single KatyCat or at least a Katy fan in the world? And just by half of Katy's music being fun, club, and bubblegum dance-pop songs doesn't means that her music is entirely aimed at kids and teens. There are some people over 21 who don't even listen to top 40 music, yet they believe that Katy is incredibly talented and is a amazing artist/musician, but again, you have your own opinion and interpretation of Katy as a artist and her music and others have their own opinion and interpretation of Katy as a artist and her music, too. 

How could you say that songs like One Of The Boys, Thinking Of You, Mannequin, Ur So Gay, If You Can Afford Me, Lost, Self Inflicted, I'm Still Breathing, Fingerprints, I Think I'm Ready, A Cup Of Coffee, Teenage Dream, Firework, Circle The Drain, The One That Got Away, E.T., Who Am I Living For?, Pearl, Not Like The Movies, Part Of Me, Wide Awake, Roar, Legendary Lovers, Unconditionally, Ghost, Love Me, This Moment, Double Rainbow, By The Grace Of God, Spiritual, It Takes Two, and Choose Your Battles are basic pop (some of these songs are not even pop) music with cliche, immature, and bland lyrics for teens that have been said many times (you pretty much generalized her music, so that's why I am saying this)? Those songs are definitely not basic and contain very well-written, expressive, real, personal, deep, creative, and inspiring lyrics. Even I Kissed A Girl, Hot N Cold, Waking Up In Vegas, California Gurls, Last Friday Night (T.G.I.F.), Peacock, Hummingbird Heartbeat, Dressin Up, Birthday, Walking On Air, Dark Horse, This Is How We Do, and International Smile are not basic and don't have cliche, shallow, and bland lyrics, as they're inspired by/are about Katy's life, personality, and who she is and are written by Katy herself. They are definitely not just catchy. The only reason they're considered basic by some people is because they were made for radio and charts. And just one more thing, just because Katy has had some rough live vocal moments, doesn't mean that she is a bad live signer/vocalist.

​You're setting specifics again. It doesn't matter what urban genre it is, surely? Plenty of people are still unaware of trap and what it is, so they just hear a vaguely urban beat and class it as such. DH is not a full on trap song, no way. Just search "trap mix" on YouTube and you'll get a whole host of hour-long playlists of real trap music which consists of heavy rap/industrial/electronic beats with very little words (any that are used mostly being a cliche rap phrase) that people can twerk and pop n' lock to. DH simply is not on this level. It has the simplist, most basic of trap beats and it's barely there.

Here you go again with specifics. My examples have to be popular across the board to meet your approval as a hit or impactful in any way and that shouldn't matter. A sound just needs to be out there being a hit to some degree to start a trend, inspire an idea. Plenty of mainstream artists steal ideas from other artists, you know (you just need to look at Roar's lyrics for that). You seem to have this idea that every popular artist can only have original ideas and are never ordered by their labels to follow a trend (which I think is totally what happened with DH which would explain how out of place it is on the album). So, even though you won't accept whatever I give you, here goes... Pour It Up by Rihanna was the first trap song released by a mainstream, popular artist as a single in January 2013, before DH. While not being a massive success, it sold a million copies in the US and spawned a remix. Its music video gained a lot of attention and has over 161 million views despite very little chart success and it is one of Rihanna's best known songs from her Unapologetic album. Then there was Harlem Shake, a trap song that had success in February 2013, before DH (it was originally released in 2012, though). It went to #1 in 5 countries and top ten in many more. It stayed at #1 on BB for 5 consecutive weeks and sold over 2 million copies in the US. It was during this song's reign that BB introduced the concept of counting streams towards a song's chart position. It became an internet meme and lots of people uploaded videos of themselves dancing to it which went viral. I consider Harlem Shake to be the song that properly introduced the public to trap and was the first trap song to be a chart success. Finally, there was Turn Down For What, which, although released in December 2013, after DH, was clearly written and planned for a while and features real urban producers and artists, it wasn't just jumping on a trend. It peaked at #4 on BB and has sold nearly 3.5 million to date there, with its music video being one of the most notorious of all time, with a whopping 234 million views despite no promotion.

I know from the fans of hers I have encountered (you obviously being one of them) and hearing what the audience is like at her shows that she has a very young fanbase. I am hard pushed to find any adult who likes her music and sees her as anything more than a guilty pleasure. It's not just her upbeat pop songs that are aimed at kids and teens, her ballads are too. They sound like any teenybopper ballad released on albums by teenagers in the 90's. They are always the hardest songs to get through on an album as they're the blandest songs there with such cliche, vague lyrics so teens can understand and relate to them. They have the lyrical naivete of a teenager in love, not an adult in love. I'd be really interested in speaking to these people who don't listen to top 40 music yet find Katy to be extremely talented because they sound too unusual to be true.

Most of those songs are good pop songs, but some are very basic. Almost all her songs on Prism were ridiculously basic. Dark Horse, By The Grace Of God and It Takes Two were the only songs I liked on it (and the latter two had to grow on me over time). Walking On Air, Legendary Lovers, Double Rainbow and Spiritual came close but they were just under passable because they just ultimately had a weakness, most a weak chorus. This Is How We Do, Birthday and International Smile were absolutely awful and Ghost, Love Me and This Moment were too bland and forgettable for words. Roar, Unconditionally and Choose Your Battles were an acceptable bland, but still bland. There was just nothing original on this album, it was all safe, all said before. You'd never believe it had been written by a divorcee nearing 30. There are songs by 18 year olds that are more mature than her work. I find it odd that you can consider Gaga's highly intelligent, mature, original lyrics to be on the same level as Katy Perry.

​yessssss  educate that they think they know it all prick 

​You are terribly rude and I'm a girl so I am not the word you so delightfully called me. I'll let it pass this once but call me names again and I'll report you.

@KatyCat489 and @StrawberryBlond, guys cut it out

you have been fighting since 3 days in this thread

Let it go, all that matters is we're gonna get new music soon

​I'm just addicted to responding to people when they quote me and hate to leave arguments when someone thinks I'm wrong and stupid.

[Kacey Elizabeth 900]

​You're setting specifics again. It doesn't matter what urban genre it is, surely? Plenty of people are still unaware of trap and what it is, so they just hear a vaguely urban beat and class it as such. DH is not a full on trap song, no way. Just search "trap mix" on YouTube and you'll get a whole host of hour-long playlists of real trap music which consists of heavy rap/industrial/electronic beats with very little words (any that are used mostly being a cliche rap phrase) that people can twerk and pop n' lock to. DH simply is not on this level. It has the simplist, most basic of trap beats and it's barely there.

Here you go again with specifics. My examples have to be popular across the board to meet your approval as a hit or impactful in any way and that shouldn't matter. A sound just needs to be out there being a hit to some degree to start a trend, inspire an idea. Plenty of mainstream artists steal ideas from other artists, you know (you just need to look at Roar's lyrics for that). You seem to have this idea that every popular artist can only have original ideas and are never ordered by their labels to follow a trend (which I think is totally what happened with DH which would explain how out of place it is on the album). So, even though you won't accept whatever I give you, here goes... Pour It Up by Rihanna was the first trap song released by a mainstream, popular artist as a single in January 2013, before DH. While not being a massive success, it sold a million copies in the US and spawned a remix. Its music video gained a lot of attention and has over 161 million views despite very little chart success and it is one of Rihanna's best known songs from her Unapologetic album. Then there was Harlem Shake, a trap song that had success in February 2013, before DH (it was originally released in 2012, though). It went to #1 in 5 countries and top ten in many more. It stayed at #1 on BB for 5 consecutive weeks and sold over 2 million copies in the US. It was during this song's reign that BB introduced the concept of counting streams towards a song's chart position. It became an internet meme and lots of people uploaded videos of themselves dancing to it which went viral. I consider Harlem Shake to be the song that properly introduced the public to trap and was the first trap song to be a chart success. Finally, there was Turn Down For What, which, although released in December 2013, after DH, was clearly written and planned for a while and features real urban producers and artists, it wasn't just jumping on a trend. It peaked at #4 on BB and has sold nearly 3.5 million to date there, with its music video being one of the most notorious of all time, with a whopping 234 million views despite no promotion.

I know from the fans of hers I have encountered (you obviously being one of them) and hearing what the audience is like at her shows that she has a very young fanbase. I am hard pushed to find any adult who likes her music and sees her as anything more than a guilty pleasure. It's not just her upbeat pop songs that are aimed at kids and teens, her ballads are too. They sound like any teenybopper ballad released on albums by teenagers in the 90's. They are always the hardest songs to get through on an album as they're the blandest songs there with such cliche, vague lyrics so teens can understand and relate to them. They have the lyrical naivete of a teenager in love, not an adult in love. I'd be really interested in speaking to these people who don't listen to top 40 music yet find Katy to be extremely talented because they sound too unusual to be true.

Most of those songs are good pop songs, but some are very basic. Almost all her songs on Prism were ridiculously basic. Dark Horse, By The Grace Of God and It Takes Two were the only songs I liked on it (and the latter two had to grow on me over time). Walking On Air, Legendary Lovers, Double Rainbow and Spiritual came close but they were just under passable because they just ultimately had a weakness, most a weak chorus. This Is How We Do, Birthday and International Smile were absolutely awful and Ghost, Love Me and This Moment were too bland and forgettable for words. Roar, Unconditionally and Choose Your Battles were an acceptable bland, but still bland. There was just nothing original on this album, it was all safe, all said before. You'd never believe it had been written by a divorcee nearing 30. There are songs by 18 year olds that are more mature than her work. I find it odd that you can consider Gaga's highly intelligent, mature, original lyrics to be on the same level as Katy Perry.

​You are terribly rude and I'm a girl so I am not the word you so delightfully called me. I'll let it pass this once but call me names again and I'll report you.

​I'm just addicted to responding to people when they quote me and hate to leave arguments when someone thinks I'm wrong and stupid.

Katy is not ordered by her record label to do anything. Even the CEO of Capitol said that Katy is pretty much the brains of her operation, meaning that Katy is in complete control of her career, image, and music and has a direct hand on everything in her career, image, and music. 

Please, Katy has millions of fans. There are millions of KatyCats around the world. How many you have exactly met? Plus, the critics who write reviews of Katy's shows sometimes say that Katy's crowd and audience in her shows are 8 to 80 years old. You live in the UK, right? So how can you say that adults don't think of Katy as talented and see her as a great artist/musician by just the people you have encountered in your country? 

Although I may not agree with what you think of PRISM, I appreciate your constructive criticism  of it. After all, people have different interpretations and opinions. As for the whole teen thing with Katy's lyrics, age is just a number, and Katy is still very young by mind, heart, soul, and spirit. 

[liz89 373]

Can you guys please stop your fights over Gaga and Katy?   Why can't we all listen to the music we love without hurting people who don't love the same music or have different views on some subjects? 

 

 

[Yanko 9,860]

the energy WASTED in this thread

 

 

[Jjang 2,262]

Eh, i don't consider Gaga to be a great music writer as well. I'd say she's on the same level as Katy.

She either lacks tact or just provides us with half baked ideas - same applies for Katy. The only difference is that Katy has fewer exceptions in this department, which gives Gaga the upper hand and makes her look like a finer songwriter, but in reality they're both weak if you compare them with other quality writers. 

[Psychedelic 1,098]

This thread is a mess. Some people need to find a job or a new hobbie 

[Haroon 49,685]

Hi guys  

Just a quick reminder to please stay on-topic and not attack/insult each other otherwise this thread will be locked  Keep any disagreements and debates and stuff mature and to the actual topic  

[Kacey Elizabeth 900]

Hi guys  

Just a quick reminder to please stay on-topic and not attack/insult each other otherwise this thread will be locked  Keep any disagreements and debates and stuff mature and to the actual topic  

I edited my comment. Is it all good now? 

[Navy 495]

​You're setting specifics again. It doesn't matter what urban genre it is, surely? Plenty of people are still unaware of trap and what it is, so they just hear a vaguely urban beat and class it as such. DH is not a full on trap song, no way. Just search "trap mix" on YouTube and you'll get a whole host of hour-long playlists of real trap music which consists of heavy rap/industrial/electronic beats with very little words (any that are used mostly being a cliche rap phrase) that people can twerk and pop n' lock to. DH simply is not on this level. It has the simplist, most basic of trap beats and it's barely there.

Here you go again with specifics. My examples have to be popular across the board to meet your approval as a hit or impactful in any way and that shouldn't matter. A sound just needs to be out there being a hit to some degree to start a trend, inspire an idea. Plenty of mainstream artists steal ideas from other artists, you know (you just need to look at Roar's lyrics for that). You seem to have this idea that every popular artist can only have original ideas and are never ordered by their labels to follow a trend (which I think is totally what happened with DH which would explain how out of place it is on the album). So, even though you won't accept whatever I give you, here goes... Pour It Up by Rihanna was the first trap song released by a mainstream, popular artist as a single in January 2013, before DH. While not being a massive success, it sold a million copies in the US and spawned a remix. Its music video gained a lot of attention and has over 161 million views despite very little chart success and it is one of Rihanna's best known songs from her Unapologetic album. Then there was Harlem Shake, a trap song that had success in February 2013, before DH (it was originally released in 2012, though). It went to #1 in 5 countries and top ten in many more. It stayed at #1 on BB for 5 consecutive weeks and sold over 2 million copies in the US. It was during this song's reign that BB introduced the concept of counting streams towards a song's chart position. It became an internet meme and lots of people uploaded videos of themselves dancing to it which went viral. I consider Harlem Shake to be the song that properly introduced the public to trap and was the first trap song to be a chart success. Finally, there was Turn Down For What, which, although released in December 2013, after DH, was clearly written and planned for a while and features real urban producers and artists, it wasn't just jumping on a trend. It peaked at #4 on BB and has sold nearly 3.5 million to date there, with its music video being one of the most notorious of all time, with a whopping 234 million views despite no promotion.

I know from the fans of hers I have encountered (you obviously being one of them) and hearing what the audience is like at her shows that she has a very young fanbase. I am hard pushed to find any adult who likes her music and sees her as anything more than a guilty pleasure. It's not just her upbeat pop songs that are aimed at kids and teens, her ballads are too. They sound like any teenybopper ballad released on albums by teenagers in the 90's. They are always the hardest songs to get through on an album as they're the blandest songs there with such cliche, vague lyrics so teens can understand and relate to them. They have the lyrical naivete of a teenager in love, not an adult in love. I'd be really interested in speaking to these people who don't listen to top 40 music yet find Katy to be extremely talented because they sound too unusual to be true.

Most of those songs are good pop songs, but some are very basic. Almost all her songs on Prism were ridiculously basic. Dark Horse, By The Grace Of God and It Takes Two were the only songs I liked on it (and the latter two had to grow on me over time). Walking On Air, Legendary Lovers, Double Rainbow and Spiritual came close but they were just under passable because they just ultimately had a weakness, most a weak chorus. This Is How We Do, Birthday and International Smile were absolutely awful and Ghost, Love Me and This Moment were too bland and forgettable for words. Roar, Unconditionally and Choose Your Battles were an acceptable bland, but still bland. There was just nothing original on this album, it was all safe, all said before. You'd never believe it had been written by a divorcee nearing 30. There are songs by 18 year olds that are more mature than her work. I find it odd that you can consider Gaga's highly intelligent, mature, original lyrics to be on the same level as Katy Perry.

​You are terribly rude and I'm a girl so I am not the word you so delightfully called me. I'll let it pass this once but call me names again and I'll report you.

​I'm just addicted to responding to people when they quote me and hate to leave arguments when someone thinks I'm wrong and stupid.

​I'm not rude, stop panting around the forum like some educated-I got a major in pop music know it all. 

[Katharine Hepburn 4,607]

Can the Katy cat in this thread get a ****ing life 

[Navy 495]

Can the Katy cat in this thread get a ****ing life 

​We are all on a music forum discussing Gaga and when in the entertainment section other pop stars, I guess we all need to get lives then

 

[Pop 4,541]

Can the Katy cat in this thread get a ****ing life 

​They seem mentally unstable tbh

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