Brainiac 11,171 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Oh I agree. But that's why I also criticize the "rot away in jail" opinions. Both involve ignoring the fact that a criminal is a human being who thinks, breathes, eats and ****s the exact same way we do. Stripping away their humanity, demonizing them and pretending the world is any better off by simply locking them up and hoping the disease is cured is easier than to confront harder questions about why violence comes about and how we can stop it.Actually, this stripping away of humanity is the same thing murderers, consciously or unconsciously, do to justify their actions in their minds or in the heat of the moment. So my point is: in most cases (or at least here on GGD) the same mechanism applies - treating the criminal the way he/she treated his victims. I see no significant difference between the irrationally passionate way people cry out for a jail or death sentence.Edit: This does not mean I don't make a difference between these emotional involvements of people who aren't even affected by the criminal they're wishing away and keeping order in a society. The latter just doesn't involve a cry for more human suffering.I'm curious then, what in your mind is an appropriate punishment for a person guilty of first degree murder? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,986 Posted May 15, 2015 Author Share Posted May 15, 2015 Oh I agree. But that's why I also criticize the "rot away in jail" opinions. Both involve ignoring the fact that a criminal is a human being who thinks, breathes, eats and ****s the exact same way we do. Stripping away their humanity, demonzing them and pretending the world is any better off by simply locking them up and hoping the disease is cured is easier than to confront harder questions about why violence comes about and how we can stop it.Actually, this stripping away of humanity is the same thing murderers, consciously or unconsciously, do. So my point is: in most cases (or at least here on GGD) the same mechanism applies - treating the criminal the way he/she treated his victims. I see no significant difference between the irrationally passionate way people cry out for a jail or death sentence.Oh, I see what you mean now. This is very true. Could it be it's in our nature to lust after vengeance whether it be in a violent, uncivilized way, or a more 'humane' way? These trials are very emotional and most react out of the indignation they have towards the criminal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Die 1,864 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 This animal feels nothing. I can't at you who expect him to be "haunted by his memories" or whatever bull**** you believe is better. He was going to die anyways as soon as Bubba caught wind that this monster murdered children and others. Nod if you wanna make love with the enemy. ❤ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,380 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 I'm curious then, what in your mind is an appropriate punishment for a person guilty of first degree murder?I don't really think in terms of punishment. When a criminal's caught, the damage is usually already done. It's natural for human beings to seek out a source for discomfort in a social group and cast him out to keep it from falling apart, so my rational mind says the person should be removed but at the same time I know that's no way of preventing it from happening again.So I guess my "proposal" would be to use these individuals as case studies. We shouldn't invest in prisons, we should invest in research programs that find out how these people get the idea to do what they did and how we can make sure other people don't ruin their lives and others for the same reason. And that includes us. We all carry the possibility for swinging off the rails inside of us. The whole thing raises lots of interesting philosophical and social questions, but people are generally just too lazy to take them seriously.I guess I wouldn't push prisons off the table, but in no way do I think it should be a symbol for sole "punishment" as if that's the most important thing in the situation. It's childish and if the criminal was part of our own families, you can be sure we would suddenly realize the complexity and gravity of the situation from both ends. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redstreak 6,653 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 This animal feels nothing. I can't at you who expect him to be "haunted by his memories" or whatever bull**** you believe is better. He was going to die anyways as soon as Bubba catches wind that this monster murdered children and others. From what I heard he would be in solitary confinement for life Take a moment to think of just flexibility, love, and trust~ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qualle1 1,385 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Murica... MAKE LOVE NOT WAR Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKANK 14,288 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 The only word I can use to describe how I feel is sad, which seems so inadequate. Sad for the families and victims. Sad for Dzhokhar and the tortured years he will spend in solitary confident before being murder by our government. Sad for the simpletons here and everywhere else who are celebrating this news because they think we are executing a one-dimensional cartoon villain rather then a complex human being. Sad that I live in a country where compassion is more often ridiculed and critized then valued. Sad for our humanity. Just terribly sad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erotica 34,931 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Kill him quickly, for the love of God. or slow and painful Poor is the man whose pleasures depend on the permission of another Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erotica 34,931 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Death sentence is still legal in the US? US the good old sis we should look up to Poor is the man whose pleasures depend on the permission of another Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brainiac 11,171 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 The only word I can use to describe how I feel is sad, which seems so inadequate. Sad for the families and victims. Sad for Dzhokhar and the tortured years he will spend in solitary confident before being murder by our government. Sad for the simpletons here and everywhere else who are celebrating this news because they think we are executing a one-dimensional cartoon villain rather then a complex human being. Sad that I live in a country where compassion is more often ridiculed and critized then valued. Sad for our humanity. Just terribly sad. I don't understand why you would feel sad for an individual who perpetuated a mass murder and has absolutely zero remorse for it. I have a very hard time wrapping my head around that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKANK 14,288 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 I don't understand why you would feel sad for an individual who perpetuated a mass murder and has absolutely zero remorse for it. I have a very hard time wrapping my head around that.Dzhohkar Tsarnaev said that no one deserves to suffer the way the victims of the Boston Bombing suffered. That is remorse. Remorseful or not my compassion for him and for every other human being on this planet is not contingent upon them being good people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goosey 3,017 Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 Awesome news! "I am the world's greatest person that does not want to let people into the country."—US President Donald J. Trump Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetsGetHigh 52,683 Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 Cringe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elizabeth 752 Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 I can't make up my mind about what I feel about the death penalty. Half of me is morally against it, but the other half of me thinks he deserves it. I don't feel bad that that's his sentence because what he did was horrific. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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