Marina and the Diamonds cynical about artists who pander LGBT community

[ItsTommyBitch 12,640]

Frankly I dislike how generalized this assertion was, because I see people like Gaga, Cindy Lauper, Madonna, who truly connect and care about the LGBT community. And it happened in a spontaneous way, so not everyone is as calculated as Marina supposes...

​But she isn't talking to those people  She is saying that she feels uncomfortable about groups that specifically pander to the gay community for sales or loyal fans, etc.... those people didnt do that, so they aren't who she is addressing. 

[Morphine Prince 106,628]

I agree....after and during BTW era, songs from Kesha, Pink, Katy, etc were all "gay acceptance" songs...

 

Anyone can be "pandering" to a certain group based on changing genres (Taylor/Gaga) and image (Justin/Miley)

I thought We R Who We R and Firework were the ones seen as acceptance songs. Those came out before BTW. 

[Haroon 49,685]

I mean I guess some people may try to do so, but I think it'll only stick in the long run if you're genuine   

I agree....after and during BTW era, songs from Kesha, Pink, Katy, etc were all "gay acceptance" songs...

​Firework was released months before Born This Way, and Teenage Dream (the album) was released even before the announcement of Born This Way  

[Emvee 8,474]

I thought We R Who We R and Firework were the ones seen as acceptance songs. Those came out before BTW. 

Firework is a break up song that was construed into a gay pride song because she showed two guys kissing in the video. And its promo era was after the BTW announcement.

[Iwontell 7,312]

​But she isn't talking to those people  She is saying that she feels uncomfortable about groups that specifically pander to the gay community for sales or loyal fans, etc.... those people didnt do that, so they aren't who she is addressing. 

She literally said "people in pop… express themselves in that way for calculated means because they know the gay fan base is extremely loyal and extremely expressive and is a tastemaker demographic"..."people in pop" it's generic, she's in a way putting every pop singer in the same group and saying these people pander to the gay community because it's lucrative...and I disagree with it. I'm not saying she talked about those women in specific, I'm using them as examples to show that not every pop singer is using gay people to make money...that sometimes a connection just happens...

[Monster2015 1,117]

I thought We R Who We R and Firework were the ones seen as acceptance songs. Those came out before BTW. 

The issue I have with katy is how do you sing a song called "Ur So Gay" then to "Firework"..how does that work? And Kesha was sooo messy I didn't understand where she fit in pop music besides being a talented songwriter

[MahoganySnitch 67]

I think a bit of cynicism is healthy. And time definitely tells which star is really in it for the gay fanbase they gain. 

[Iwontell 7,312]

"Firework" and "We are who we are" are pretty broad, they could be talking about gay rights, racism, feminism, pretty much anything...it doesn't compare with a song that directly addresses Gay, Lesbians, Transgenders, like BTW did...

Ppl could spin those songs in any direction they wanted...I'm not saying that's what they did, because I don't know their work well enough to say that, but they really can't be compared to BTW...

[Iwontell 7,312]

When she said this:

"On Twitter, I don't really like it when I see loads of messages from an artist saying (talks in baby voice) "I love you guys! I love you guys! I love you guys!" because I don't think there's any kind of intelligence in that. Also, how can you be genuine and say that so many times? Maybe that's when it becomes pandering, when you're dumbing down your fan base"

first name to pop was Gaga... PLEASE NO HATE BETWEEN MY 2 OUT OF 5 FAVES 

​Well, LM are sometimes too defensive...I can think of a handful of people who fit this behavior...

As for Marina, I like her so much, but this holier than thou attitude she puts on sometimes is such a turn off...

[Morphine Prince 106,628]

Firework is a break up song that was construed into a gay pride song because she showed two guys kissing in the video. And its promo era was after the BTW announcement.

****ing Perfect by Pink also was released before BTW and was seen as an acceptance song. BTW was actually late to the "acceptance" and "you are worth" it parade. It's just that BTW was more specifically made for LGBT community while those other songs were more general. 

[Iwontell 7,312]

[MahoganySnitch 67]

"Firework" and "We are who we are" are pretty broad, they could be talking about gay rights, racism, feminism, pretty much anything...it doesn't compare with a song that directly addresses Gay, Lesbians, Transgenders, like BTW did...

Ppl could spin those songs in any direction they wanted...I'm not saying that's what they did, because I don't know their work well enough to say that, but they really can't be compared to BTW...

​You're right in that lyrically, those songs are much broader than BTW that explicitly mentions gay/lesbian/bi/transgender. Although the songs' origins should be taken into account.

Take WRWWR:

"We R Who We R," Ke$ha's brand-new new single from her upcoming Cannibal EP (due November 22nd), may be be a synth-heavy dance anthem, but it has a deeply serious theme: the 23-year-old pop star tells Rolling Stonethat she wrote the track after reading about the recent rash of teen suicides, including that of Tyler Clementi, a Rutgers University freshman who in September jumped off the George Washington bridge after a roommate revealed that he he was gay.

"Hopefully it will be an anthem for weirdos — for real people," she says of the track, which includes the chorus "Tonight we're going hard / Just like the world is ours / We're tearin' it apart / You know we're superstars / We are who we are."

Ke$ha continues: "I was really affected by the suicides that have been happening, having been subject to very public hatred [myself]. I have absolutely no idea how these kids felt. What I'm going through is nothing compared to what they had to go through. Just know things do get better and you need to celebrate who you are. Every weird thing about you is beautiful and makes life interesting. Hopefully the song really captures that emotion of celebrating who you are."

"I just felt like people hate because they don't understand or they're jealous," she adds. "It's all coming from a very negative place and I really feel like people don't need to pay attention to that."

Last week, Ke$ha recorded a video for It Gets Better, a project that intended for teens targeted by homophobia.

SOURCE: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ke-ha-says-new-single-addresses-teen-suicides-20101015

So while the song's lyrically broad, LGBT issues were definitely in mind. 

[DrewStevens 5,249]

While I agree that pandering a certain type of people without really caring about them is wrong I think that you can't judge any artist unless they do or say something negative towards this group. You don't know other people intentions. 

Even Nick Jonas who is not really an active supporter of LGBT rights has stated his support and said that he was proud of his gay role cause it was important to tell the story of this character and his struggle.

[ItsTommyBitch 12,640]

She literally said "people in pop… express themselves in that way for calculated means because they know the gay fan base is extremely loyal and extremely expressive and is a tastemaker demographic"..."people in pop" it's generic, she's in a way putting every pop singer in the same group and saying these people pander to the gay community because it's lucrative...and I disagree with it. I'm not saying she talked about those women in specific, I'm using them as examples to show that not every pop singer is using gay people to make money...that sometimes a connection just happens...

​People doesn't imply "every single person" . People commit murder and rape and arson... but that doesnt mean every person does it or is going to do it, just that as an observation people in general do it.

It is true though, she included the word "pop" because it IS the popstars and the like that do this underhanded scheme. She obviously knows not every one in pop does it. She's "pop" herself and she doesn't do it.  I get what you're saying, but I think its implied and not really necessary  

[Supersonic 49,376]

​He was the first person I thought of . Marina, social justice queen  

​I thought about Katy Perry tbh