Born This Way is criminally overrated by this fan base.

[Miel 15,009]

I actually saw it as horrifically underrated here, at least for a while.

[eifulien 2,954]

Woah, what a thread!

One question for all of you: Is it impossible for us/Gaga fans/, to have one place where all her work is appreciated [AND criticised ofc]? I'm not saying just because we are fans we should embrace everything blindly. As a matter of fact, what happens here is quite the opposite - I think we are really harsh critics of her work.

I love both BTW and AP. ARTPOP is my favourite album and it is this album that turned me into a monster, I guess. But, objectively, I think BTW can't be matched by its immense cultural and social impact.

I used to defend a lot AP here, but at this point I'm supporting all her albums and I believe she has much more creativity, talent and abilities to show and prove herself as a legendary musician not a pop star.

Born This Way is not without its flaws. For me, its the mixed production. It's retro vibe isn't on all songs. I mean Judas, Scheiße & HML sound modern, while Bloody Mary sounds much more in the vein of TFM. The album is just overwhelming and too heavy for everyday listen (I'm just stating here, it's not a con). On the bright side, it really teleports me in space and time to a magical place. Listening to it, I just envision a street in a big US city with street musicians and people dancing and expressing their beliefs and all  that I see through a filter like an old photo (mental disorder detected  )

I remember reading an interesting review of ARTPOP where the writer claimed AP fell under the AC/DC rule - the sales of the current album reflect the public's liking/disliking of the previous one. And from your posts I think this happened. Cause let's admit it BTW is a jewel but it's not for the average Joe who wants sequels to BR, PF, JD etc. TF & TFM created Lady Gaga and brought her the freedom and the power she needed to create BTW. I'm sure BTW alienated not 1 or 2 but it's okay cause the album drew more fans, and so did ARTPOP! There will be always people who leave but as long she keeps adding then she is doing her thing properly.

ARTPOP is her greatest accomplishment in terms of musical structure and cohesiveness. While lyrically it's the exact opposite of BTW - demonstrating a very s-xual and immature attitude. But then again that's not a bad thing. I think Gaga failed to get across AP not only to the public but also to many fans. The idea is philosophical and quite complex and many ppl just gave up on it which is a pity.

The idea and its realisation is what astounds me. Because it really made me think about what it is. This album is not just a collection of enjoyable tracks for background listening. AND I'll go on to say that Gaga hasn't misled us with all the things she said AP is.
- electronic club music - the kind of music she first fell in love with in the club, so AP being a night at a club is true
-it's personal - BTW was for us, AP is what she needed to heal ("My pain exploding into electronic music, it's heavy but after I listen to it I feel lighter, I feel happy again" she said sth like that in an interview), she just wanted fun music, and the whole tracklist truly feels like a poetic journey, where she introduces her views on love, s-x and rape, fame and media scrutiny, fashion, d--g use, and wraps it all by saying a big THANK YOU. And yeah it's definitely the weirdest personal album considering most of us imagine slow ballads with touching lyrics as personal. But, it's Gaga, who said EDM can't be used to express strong emotions (Swine says hi!)
-it's light, explosive, fun, uplifting and so on - the music really wakes you up, it is stimulating your senses, and that's what she wanted with ARTPOP - to be creative & express your ideas. ARTPOP is the music that helps you do it, it's not the album in which she will sing about art and will employ previously unheard musical structures and innovate. Cause most fans expected this (well ARTPOP without context indeed sounds like a pretentious sh*t). But I think she converged very well the music with her visuals during the era - her look was dazzling imo
-creative rebellion and freedom - well it's about doing what SHE wanted, not what everyone expected her to do after a controversial album like BTW. The music on AP is a celebration of her realising her role in the music industry, a celebration for her achievements and what she has been doing since day 1.
-duality can also be found on some songs - Sexx dreams (singing to one, speaking to another), DWUW, MJH v. Dope, Donatella v. Fashion!, Aura.
-many of you have said that ARTPOP apart from the night at a club theme was supposed to be about decay of the blonde? I don't know what that's supposed to mean in whole sense but following the emotional tone of AP there is a decay, it's like she gets wasted from love, s-x, d--gs, stardom, media attention and everything crashes at MJH -> Dope.
-the album is flawed sometimes by strange production decisions (SD @ Swinefest was better imo, and so are the vocals of Aura - much more raw) - the biggest flaw of the album imo emerged after the release of the album - it was supposed to be about creativity and possibilities and freedom and yet Gaga didn't have control over the vocals 
-what disappointed me personally was the Second Act that didn't happen and that we didn't get a video for Venus and a finale for Paparazzi-Telephone-(Aura?)

With this looong post I wanted to prove that AP is truly underrated because it IS all it was supposed to be judging by Gaga's own words. The real problem is that the message failed to translate into most people's minds (too high-brow imo) and with the wrong expectations it fell under harsh criticism and ignorance. I'm sure it'd have had a bigger success if it wasn't for the drama behind the scenes - management, label, single choices, videos, Gaga's depression and what not. Actually saying it in a single sentence makes me appreciate even more what we did get from this short-live era cause it was very good.

Don't hate on me for my opinion, at least it's well-informed. I also respect yours cause music taste is subjective. 

A kiss for everyone who actually read the whole post! 

 

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​Oh no. Please, you did'nt point that. 

Aura is her manifest about not being a mainstream product, but her own persona. It is also her asking if the world would love her if she'll be herself.

Venus, okay, it is about s-x, G.U.Y also, but this have a little feminism parts.

Sexxx Dreams Sex

U think DWUW is about s-x? Gaga explained meaning of that song. 

Swine is about rape and frustration, and about letting go of every overhelming emotions

Donatella is ironical

Mary Jane Holland has no really deep meanings, but partially it's about freedom also.

Not someone dragging up a post I wrote two months ago at one in the morning. Lol. I still stand by most of what I said with the exception of Aura, Do What U Want, And Swine. Not all of those are strictly s-x songs. Either way, the point I was trying to get across back then was that in comparison to Born This Way, I feel as though the subject matter of ARTPOP lacked in meaning and was rather repetitive. Born this Way flows as a cohesive peice while having so many different topics to discuss. Due to overproduction and control by the label/Troy, I personally feel that the biggest difference between ARTPOP and BTW is that ARTPOP bears no soul. The emotion levels are 180. 

 

[SlaeUrAnus 15,947]

It is better than ARTPOP and The Fame. 

Enough said. 

[Jjang 2,262]

The problem with Born This Way is that it has very high highs and very low lows, it is overrated by this fan base, but its a great album.

Her only timeless album (so far).

[Dorothy Gale 7,575]

I actually saw it as horrifically underrated here, at least for a while.

For a short time. 

[Thomas P 18,479]

BORN THIS WAY IS THE BEST!!!!!

But u did make some good points.

Maybe my new fav album will be whatever comes next!

[KaanBTW 5,244]

It is the best for me. 

[Eros92 2,513]

Its not at all overrated at all...

I always thought BTW was a great album, like every song was something different and new and something that no current pop-star was going, she was nailing the Dark-Pop like no other. But I didn't really appreciate how actually amazing the album was till now. I recently did a listen though of all her albums and went all the way though and I gotta say, BTW is her best so far, then TF, TFM and then ARTPOP. Now, now of her albums are weak by anymeans, in fact all her albums are fantastic but there is something about BTW that every time I listen to it it sounds fresh, exciting, new and dirty. It's got a retro feel but doesn't feel OLD. Every song flows so well which is only matched by the album flow of TF. Lyrics were on point and she actually had a ton of songs that normal people could relate to that didn't just center around fame or s-x. It was a personal album but something we could all relate to. So no, it's not overrated. In fact it's still the most underrated album she's released by the GP and the fans.

[Thomas P 18,479]

Woah, what a thread!

One question for all of you: Is it impossible for us/Gaga fans/, to have one place where all her work is appreciated [AND criticised ofc]? I'm not saying just because we are fans we should embrace everything blindly. As a matter of fact, what happens here is quite the opposite - I think we are really harsh critics of her work.

I love both BTW and AP. ARTPOP is my favourite album and it is this album that turned me into a monster, I guess. But, objectively, I think BTW can't be matched by its immense cultural and social impact.

I used to defend a lot AP here, but at this point I'm supporting all her albums and I believe she has much more creativity, talent and abilities to show and prove herself as a legendary musician not a pop star.

Born This Way is not without its flaws. For me, its the mixed production. It's retro vibe isn't on all songs. I mean Judas, Scheiße & HML sound modern, while Bloody Mary sounds much more in the vein of TFM. The album is just overwhelming and too heavy for everyday listen (I'm just stating here, it's not a con). On the bright side, it really teleports me in space and time to a magical place. Listening to it, I just envision a street in a big US city with street musicians and people dancing and expressing their beliefs and all  that I see through a filter like an old photo (mental disorder detected  )

I remember reading an interesting review of ARTPOP where the writer claimed AP fell under the AC/DC rule - the sales of the current album reflect the public's liking/disliking of the previous one. And from your posts I think this happened. Cause let's admit it BTW is a jewel but it's not for the average Joe who wants sequels to BR, PF, JD etc. TF & TFM created Lady Gaga and brought her the freedom and the power she needed to create BTW. I'm sure BTW alienated not 1 or 2 but it's okay cause the album drew more fans, and so did ARTPOP! There will be always people who leave but as long she keeps adding then she is doing her thing properly.

ARTPOP is her greatest accomplishment in terms of musical structure and cohesiveness. While lyrically it's the exact opposite of BTW - demonstrating a very s-xual and immature attitude. But then again that's not a bad thing. I think Gaga failed to get across AP not only to the public but also to many fans. The idea is philosophical and quite complex and many ppl just gave up on it which is a pity.

The idea and its realisation is what astounds me. Because it really made me think about what it is. This album is not just a collection of enjoyable tracks for background listening. AND I'll go on to say that Gaga hasn't misled us with all the things she said AP is.
- electronic club music - the kind of music she first fell in love with in the club, so AP being a night at a club is true
-it's personal - BTW was for us, AP is what she needed to heal ("My pain exploding into electronic music, it's heavy but after I listen to it I feel lighter, I feel happy again" she said sth like that in an interview), she just wanted fun music, and the whole tracklist truly feels like a poetic journey, where she introduces her views on love, s-x and rape, fame and media scrutiny, fashion, d--g use, and wraps it all by saying a big THANK YOU. And yeah it's definitely the weirdest personal album considering most of us imagine slow ballads with touching lyrics as personal. But, it's Gaga, who said EDM can't be used to express strong emotions (Swine says hi!)
-it's light, explosive, fun, uplifting and so on - the music really wakes you up, it is stimulating your senses, and that's what she wanted with ARTPOP - to be creative & express your ideas. ARTPOP is the music that helps you do it, it's not the album in which she will sing about art and will employ previously unheard musical structures and innovate. Cause most fans expected this (well ARTPOP without context indeed sounds like a pretentious sh*t). But I think she converged very well the music with her visuals during the era - her look was dazzling imo
-creative rebellion and freedom - well it's about doing what SHE wanted, not what everyone expected her to do after a controversial album like BTW. The music on AP is a celebration of her realising her role in the music industry, a celebration for her achievements and what she has been doing since day 1.
-duality can also be found on some songs - Sexx dreams (singing to one, speaking to another), DWUW, MJH v. Dope, Donatella v. Fashion!, Aura.
-many of you have said that ARTPOP apart from the night at a club theme was supposed to be about decay of the blonde? I don't know what that's supposed to mean in whole sense but following the emotional tone of AP there is a decay, it's like she gets wasted from love, s-x, d--gs, stardom, media attention and everything crashes at MJH -> Dope.
-the album is flawed sometimes by strange production decisions (SD @ Swinefest was better imo, and so are the vocals of Aura - much more raw) - the biggest flaw of the album imo emerged after the release of the album - it was supposed to be about creativity and possibilities and freedom and yet Gaga didn't have control over the vocals 
-what disappointed me personally was the Second Act that didn't happen and that we didn't get a video for Venus and a finale for Paparazzi-Telephone-(Aura?)

With this looong post I wanted to prove that AP is truly underrated because it IS all it was supposed to be judging by Gaga's own words. The real problem is that the message failed to translate into most people's minds (too high-brow imo) and with the wrong expectations it fell under harsh criticism and ignorance. I'm sure it'd have had a bigger success if it wasn't for the drama behind the scenes - management, label, single choices, videos, Gaga's depression and what not. Actually saying it in a single sentence makes me appreciate even more what we did get from this short-live era cause it was very good.

Don't hate on me for my opinion, at least it's well-informed. I also respect yours cause music taste is subjective.

A kiss for everyone who actually read the whole post! 

 

I read and enjoyed it.

ARTPOP was honestly better than I thought it would be.

I had super high expectations but they were met in a different way than I expected.

I did not think she would make music in a way that opened up to us what had been going on in her life.

I listened to until 3 in the morning the day it came out and the music told a story so I couldn't take my headphones off until the end.

I do agree with what u said in this post, but btw is still my fav album!

[djBuffoon 12,103]

I think a lot of it has to do with success, whether we want to admit it or not. Born This Way was considered her least best album by many, many fans during and after its era, simply because, although it pulled great numbers, it hearkened a drop in her popularity. When ARTPOP came out, as you noticed, everyone and their mother seemed to loved. And I mean love it. Why? I theorize it's because it's a throw back to her former imagery, sounds, and aesthetics from The Fame and The Fame Monster, with an updated 2013 ARTPOP twist of its own of course, thus implying a rebirth of her immense popularity of the time. However, once the era started going (AKA stopped), the love for the album also stopped. And that's when the sudden love for Born This Way started (in my opinion). There are of course fans that did and do love both ARTPOP and Born This Way solely for their material, but I can't help but feel that the ARTPOP era, through its messiness, really brightened up Born This Way's image for many. There's nothing wrong with that necessarily, but it does irk me (especially considering ARTPOP is my favorite album) that people almost insist on trashing ARTPOP and discrediting its fans for seemingly no reason.

Agreed 100%

[Riot Poof 2,236]

If you ask me, The Fame is overrated, but to each their own. As long as we all have something to bop to.

[Dorothy Gale 7,575]

If you ask me, The Fame is overrated, but to each their own. As long as we all have something to bop to.

The Fame is only overrated by the GP, very few monsters think it's her best album. 

[ezrajones 587]

the disgusting lies in the OP? stay hating. Born This Way is a global iconic moment in pop culture. scientists will study it in the future 

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Born This Way has her best song ever but also her worst

Highway Unicorn being her best

Amen Fashion being her worst 

So some people overrate it because they love the high's of the album so much that it make them forget about sub par songs while some underrate because of duds like Amen Fashion.