Taylor Swift: "I have no interest in singing someone else's words"

[Bordeciel 323]

Uh. . . . What? You don't believe she doesn't want to sing others' words? Lol

Wow

I'm 99% sure M.Martin wrote a lot of the stuffs on Red & 1989.

[Redstreak 6,653]

I'm 99% sure M.Martin wrote a lot of the stuffs on Red & 1989.

No She wrote the entirety of SN all by herself so I severely doubt she sat back and let Max Martin do 99% of the work for her past two albums.

[DMTT 160]

I'm 99% sure M.Martin wrote a lot of the stuffs on Red & 1989.

 

LMFAO delusion at its finest

 

you're 99% sure. and wtf evidence do you have to back that absurd claim up?

 

none. exactly.

 

if you're gonna try to **** on taylor, just don't

[MonsterofFame 1,785]

I'm slowly becoming a Taylor Swift fan. She is really talented and smart, much of what made me like Gaga. My only concern is that I agree with Katy Perry that Swift can be a "Regina George in sheep's clothing" at times, and it's still a turnoff for me.

[Vernier 3,786]

Not like everyone here won't still bop to R8 :jinglebell2:

[SlaeUrAnus 15,816]

I have so much respect for an artist who writes their own lyrics.

 

Like Taylor said, I would never sing anyone else's lyrics. In my opinion, it adds to the dedication of your work instead of paying someone else. 

 

Spot on Taylor. 

[Bordeciel 323]

LMFAO delusion at its finest

 

you're 99% sure. and wtf evidence do you have to back that absurd claim up?

 

none. exactly.

 

if you're gonna try to **** on taylor, just don't

 

The fact that the melodies, the productions and even the lyrics are pure Max Martin.

 

Why r u talking about desilusion? I have no hate towards her and actually few interest (think she looks nice girl even if poor vocalist/showgirl & don't care about music which is pure M.Martin stuffs so random as its finest).

 

Why all the songs she wrotes (melodies and stuff), why the one she'd release as a singles are all M.Martin stuff? U telling me he doesn't participate in those melodies so it's by the grace of god that's its songs are all becoming the successfull singles since red?

 

I'm not trying anything actually... I know i'm a random poor boy on its internet, i know i can't stop her success and I basically don't want to. All i'm sayin is that i'm 99% positive M.Martin played a huge part lyrically in Red & 1989.

 

Plus, I know it's a great marketing move sayin you do more than you actually do and it's just the most random thing in the pop world (Beyonce, KP...Taylor...) it increases ur artistic credibility and it's a great move for her when she's selling hard and needs to push on it. Even M.Martin is a winner with it.

 

 

No She wrote the entirety of SN all by herself so I severely doubt she sat back and let Max Martin do 99% of the work for her past two albums.

 

And I have no doubt she wrote SN ;-) Just sayin' since M.Martin/pop it changed and you can hear it.

 

Then ofc, you can believe her words, but where are the real and sure 100% receipts?

 

Still 99% sure M.Martin played a role in 1989 lyrics.

 

Then again I don't mean to be rude & wish you the best day.

[JeffSwift 314]

I think I officially like Taylor Swift more than Gaga now

We've been waiting for you 

[StrawberryBlond 14,525]

nnnnnnn

 

i'm creying

 

"Creying" so hard that you can't spell, apparently. Occasional mistakes are fine, but when words are so blatantly misspelled, it makes it hard to take a viewpoint seriously.

 

LMFAO delusion at its finest

 

you're 99% sure. and wtf evidence do you have to back that absurd claim up?

 

none. exactly.

 

if you're gonna try to **** on taylor, just don't

 

Their point is valid. Professional songwriters/producers are very expensive to hire and the likes of Max Martin definitely won't come cheap. To get Max to write and produce just one song for you is going to have a substantial fee, but to write and produce multiple songs (in Taylor's case, just over half an album's worth) and we're talking mega bucks. Then there's egos in the equation - the biggest hitmakers will want to provide a massive portion of the song so that when it becomes a hit, they can boast that they were the true brains behind its success. When that kind of money has been spent on such people, do you really think these big name guys are just going to sit back and let the artist do 99% of the song? Because that's delusion. Fact is, you don't hire people like Max Martin if you want to write the majority of your songs. He's known as the go-to guy if you want a hit written, produced and packaged with a big bow on it with little to no involvement from you. Same with others like Dr Luke. That's why genuine singer/songwriters don't work with these people, because they won't be allowed much creativity with them in the studio. I've said the same things about Katy Perry's involvement in her songwriting. Her songs have Dr Luke/Bonnie McKee/Max Martin personality all over it, both in lyrics and production, but very little of Katy. I know this because her pre-fame songs that were written completely by her were the polar opposite to what she makes now and when she is left to her own devices, she makes touching ballads completely different her singles. But even she has more experience of mainstream pop songwriting than Taylor does, which is why she's played a role in the pop songwriting of a few other artists, unlike Taylor, who only makes pop songs for herself.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Taylor plays no part in her work, and I know even Gaga has used professional songwriters (though they're not the most sought after), but there is no denying that Taylor's pop work is heavily overseen by pop experts. For one thing, Taylor only produced half her album. Back in the day, she was the producer on every track when all her work was acoustic guitar driven. Acoustic or electronic, Gaga produces 98% of her discography, apart from her debut, which was heavily label controlled. That is a sign that an artist truly has played a part in their songs. If Taylor's surrending her production, the thing that she once had complete control over, to generic pop producers, what does that say about how involved she is now?

[Redstreak 6,653]

"Creying" so hard that you can't spell, apparently. Occasional mistakes are fine, but when words are so blatantly misspelled, it makes it hard to take a viewpoint seriously.

 

 

Their point is valid. Professional songwriters/producers are very expensive to hire and the likes of Max Martin definitely won't come cheap. To get Max to write and produce just one song for you is going to have a substantial fee, but to write and produce multiple songs (in Taylor's case, just over half an album's worth) and we're talking mega bucks. Then there's egos in the equation - the biggest hitmakers will want to provide a massive portion of the song so that when it becomes a hit, they can boast that they were the true brains behind its success. When that kind of money has been spent on such people, do you really think these big name guys are just going to sit back and let the artist do 99% of the song? Because that's delusion. Fact is, you don't hire people like Max Martin if you want to write the majority of your songs. He's known as the go-to guy if you want a hit written, produced and packaged with a big bow on it with little to no involvement from you. Same with others like Dr Luke. That's why genuine singer/songwriters don't work with these people, because they won't be allowed much creativity with them in the studio. I've said the same things about Katy Perry's involvement in her songwriting. Her songs have Dr Luke/Bonnie McKee/Max Martin personality all over it, both in lyrics and production, but very little of Katy. I know this because her pre-fame songs that were written completely by her were the polar opposite to what she makes now and when she is left to her own devices, she makes touching ballads completely different her singles. But even she has more experience of mainstream pop songwriting than Taylor does, which is why she's played a role in the pop songwriting of a few other artists, unlike Taylor, who only makes pop songs for herself.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Taylor plays no part in her work, and I know even Gaga has used professional songwriters (though they're not the most sought after), but there is no denying that Taylor's pop work is heavily overseen by pop experts. For one thing, Taylor only produced half her album. Back in the day, she was the producer on every track when all her work was acoustic guitar driven. Acoustic or electronic, Gaga produces 98% of her discography, apart from her debut, which was heavily label controlled. That is a sign that an artist truly has played a part in their songs. If Taylor's surrending her production, the thing that she once had complete control over, to generic pop producers, what does that say about how involved she is now?

Taylor is still heavily involved in everything. The only real explicit mentions that give insight to Martin's involvement with the record is an excerpt from the Billboard article:

 

 

He doesn't do interviews, so people create this Wizard of Oz-type persona because he's seemingly so mysterious. But if you get in a room with him, he's absolutely warm and kind and funny, and honestly, out of the goodness of his heart did so much extra work on this album and never asked to be named anything. I started to experiment and work with other people, and Max knew that I wanted to make an album, not a collection of songs that sound like they're recorded in different studios by different people. So he volunteered to record pretty much all the vocals -- even things he didn't write or produce. He would come in and spend his day away from his kid, away from his wife, and volunteer his time and not ask for anything. And the more that he did that, the more I realized that he deserved credit for that. That's what made him feel to me like co-executive producer.

 

Also in her demo recording of Blank Space we still have the same song concept and vocal melodies (Though some lyrics were reworked but you can't say how much was Martin/Shellback or Taylor's own rewriting since the song was in its early stages) as the final product. And from the demo we know it hadn't been touched by Martin yet since it explicitly says it was his first knowing of it and her playing it for him.

[Pop 4,541]

 

 

Also in her demo recording of Blank Space we still have the same song concept and vocal melodies (Though some lyrics were reworked but you can't say how much was Martin/Shellback or Taylor's own rewriting since the song was in its early stages) as the final product. And from the demo we know it hadn't been touched by Martin yet since it explicitly says it was his first knowing of it and her playing it for him.

 

Exactly. Taylor supplied receipts about her immense creative input right on the album.

 

Listen to the audio notes at the end of the deluxe version, haters.  And seethe.    

[DMTT 160]

"Creying" so hard that you can't spell, apparently. Occasional mistakes are fine, but when words are so blatantly misspelled, it makes it hard to take a viewpoint seriously.

Their point is valid. Professional songwriters/producers are very expensive to hire and the likes of Max Martin definitely won't come cheap. To get Max to write and produce just one song for you is going to have a substantial fee, but to write and produce multiple songs (in Taylor's case, just over half an album's worth) and we're talking mega bucks. Then there's egos in the equation - the biggest hitmakers will want to provide a massive portion of the song so that when it becomes a hit, they can boast that they were the true brains behind its success. When that kind of money has been spent on such people, do you really think these big name guys are just going to sit back and let the artist do 99% of the song? Because that's delusion. Fact is, you don't hire people like Max Martin if you want to write the majority of your songs. He's known as the go-to guy if you want a hit written, produced and packaged with a big bow on it with little to no involvement from you. Same with others like Dr Luke. That's why genuine singer/songwriters don't work with these people, because they won't be allowed much creativity with them in the studio. I've said the same things about Katy Perry's involvement in her songwriting. Her songs have Dr Luke/Bonnie McKee/Max Martin personality all over it, both in lyrics and production, but very little of Katy. I know this because her pre-fame songs that were written completely by her were the polar opposite to what she makes now and when she is left to her own devices, she makes touching ballads completely different her singles. But even she has more experience of mainstream pop songwriting than Taylor does, which is why she's played a role in the pop songwriting of a few other artists, unlike Taylor, who only makes pop songs for herself.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Taylor plays no part in her work, and I know even Gaga has used professional songwriters (though they're not the most sought after), but there is no denying that Taylor's pop work is heavily overseen by pop experts. For one thing, Taylor only produced half her album. Back in the day, she was the producer on every track when all her work was acoustic guitar driven. Acoustic or electronic, Gaga produces 98% of her discography, apart from her debut, which was heavily label controlled. That is a sign that an artist truly has played a part in their songs. If Taylor's surrending her production, the thing that she once had complete control over, to generic pop producers, what does that say about how involved she is now?

You obviously don't know what creying is

And like a below user said, she came in with the framework for BS--lyrics and melody and all. And I know it was that way for all of the others, her influence I mean.

You mean to tell me that for every other single producer she's worked with, past and present, she did the melody and songwriting, and now all of a sudden for one producer, she doesn't just because she's pop? No--you're wrong

[Liaison 4]

Respect! 

[Remus 54]

Good for her that she's getting success. She's a smart business woman.

However, her making shallow and superficial pop songs and relying on Max Martin will never make me view her as this legendary musician like some of the people here are making her out to be. 1989 is a solid pop record, but that's just it. Unless she experiments her sound, she'll just remain as a successful popstar to me.

For now, I still think Red is her best record as of the moment, as she was able to perfectly balance country and pop on that album.

[Remus 54]

"Pressed" doesn't mean anything to me. It's one of the most inane pieces of net slang ever created. It's like, just say "jealous" because that's what it means. I'm not jealous of Taylor - I have no desire to replicate her attempts at songwriting which read more like a 14-year-old drama queen's diary. I don't care about how popular Lana is, it's utterly irrelevant to the discussion. Lana is just as honest as Taylor, or maybe you just haven't read all her interviews. I don't mind if Lana doesn't sell, as long as she makes quality music, which she does. Her songwriting is on a level that Taylor couldn't reach in her wildest dreams (see what I did there? By the way, isn't it funny how the only reason why this is one of the best tracks Taylor's ever written is because it's a direct rip off of Lana's style, themes, lyrics and production?) I think it's really telling how you use sales as a means to bring another person's opinion down. Sales don't equal quality and bad music selling huge amounts is nothing new. Something tells me you only stan for artists who are hot right now.

 

 

Because I have a lot to say, which is more than some people round here. And while what I said earlier was a bash, pretty much, it was a rare moment of frustration. Normally, I just critique, I'm a music critic, that's what I do. And maybe I don't get WPs because my critiques are just that, and I always back up my arguments with research. That's the kind of critical response that's ok. And I am relaxed, I just like to post critiques. And I do think pop music is worth more than being called "just pop music." I take all forms of music seriously and pop can be so much more mature and wonderful than we're meant to believe. But with generic artists like Taylor at the helm, I can understand why people think of it as basic.

 

 

Your lack of thought-out response is cringey. Hey, I'd rather be criticised for being too intelligent than for being too dense.

 

 

I do that for lots of artists. Anyone who I deem substandard gets the same treatment. They're celebrities who put themselves out there to be judged, and it's a free country. So, what's the big deal?

 

 

I'm frustrated, not pressed. It's not the same thing. Seriously, is this the best people can do? If you're going to insult me, at least come up with something that took a bit of effort.

So much spot on, especially about Wildest Dreams. It's an obvious Lana rip off and probably the reason why it's the only song in 1989 who actually have depth and great quality.

Love reading all your posts. I've always been waiting for your every reaction because they're always intelligently crafted. These stans are just pressed that they couldnt accept someone is highly critical on their fave that is slaying right now.