Spyro 8,438 Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Considering the content of your last post, you are a chocolate creator as well. It ain't funny taking out those brownies Spyro the Dragon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKANK 14,288 Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 It ain't funny taking out those brownies People are going to come into this thread…see this post…and make all kinds of really bad assumptions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyro 8,438 Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 People are going to come into this thread…see this post…and make all kinds of really bad assumptions. what? I was talking about POOP people! what's wrong with POOP?! Spyro the Dragon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Wonka 4 Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 I am making NO excuses for the systematic failures of our judicial system, I would never defend the militarization of our police force, and I make no excuse for the poor way that the persecutor handled this indictment. I probably share your opinions on the majority of the issues at hand. ( http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/use-grand-jury ) However, when you make statements that claim with absolute certainty (literally) that had Officer Wilson carried a taser Michael Brown would be alive right now, you are not contributing to an honest conversation. You are not clairvoyant, we don't need to make things up to be outraged by this situation. Enough with the hyperbole. I'm rolling my eyes that we're suddenly holding up a Lady Gaga forum to academic standards, but you're right on that. You interpreted my comment slightly more independently than I intended, but I completely understand your perspective. My statement was more a response to Wilson's stream of consciousness that he narrated (well I didn't think mace would be effective and my baton wasn't logical due to the space confinements in the car, so I had to use the gun) and also to the comment that I've repeatedly seen along the lines of "Well Brown punched Wilson, what did he expect?/he got what he deserved!". The point was that guns shouldn't be the first line of defense, especially when the other party isn't armed. Not that no one would die if everyone had tasers. That last bit was slightly hyperbolic, but the content of your post implied that I had falsified the narrative of Wilson regularly electing to not carry a taser, so I got defensive. Still, let's not overblow the hyperbole. If I simply add a minor indicator of insecurity (i.e. "this kid might not have died"), the issue is resolved. It's laughable that we're discussing my use of a literary device when an 18 year old kid died from 9 gunshot wounds and the perpetrator went to the ER to have pictures taken of the brutal laceration on his chin: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKANK 14,288 Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 I'm rolling my eyes that we're suddenly holding up a Lady Gaga forum to academic standards, but you're right on that. You interpreted my comment slightly more independently than I intended, but I completely understand your perspective. My statement was more a response to Wilson's stream of consciousness that he narrated (well I didn't think mace would be effective and my baton wasn't logical due to the space confinements in the car, so I had to use the gun) and also to the comment that I've repeatedly seen along the lines of "Well Brown punched Wilson, what did he expect?/he got what he deserved!". The point was that guns shouldn't be the first line of defense, especially when the other party isn't armed. Not that no one would die if everyone had tasers. That last bit was slightly hyperbolic, but the content of your post implied that I had falsified the narrative of Wilson regularly electing to not carry a taser, so I got defensive. Still, let's not overblow the hyperbole. If I simply add a minor indicator of insecurity (i.e. "this kid might not have died"), the issue is resolved. It's laughable that we're discussing my use of a literary device when an 18 year old kid died from 9 gunshot wounds and the perpetrator went to the ER to have pictures taken of the brutal laceration on his chin: "18 year old kid" - an oxymoron and another layer to your hyperbole trifle. I really don't understand why people are unable to have an honest conversation about what happened. It's really a disservice to our society. It's sad that that we value an honest conversation less then we value the crafting of a narrative that supports our political and social beliefs. It's awful that Michael Brown is dead, and it was handled poorly at a judicial level. The riots and protests understandably stem from the deep distrust of broken and racist system. But when we play word games to mask the truth, and when we reduce the discourse to fictionalized accounts of the indecent we are only harming ourselves. I only responded to your post because people are ****ing stupid, and you aren't. So I know you understand what I'm saying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Wonka 4 Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 "18 year old kid" - an oxymoron and another layer to your hyperbole trifle. I really don't understand why people are unable to have an honest conversation about what happened. It's really a disservice to our society. It's sad that that we value an honest conversation less then we value the crafting of a narrative that supports our political and social beliefs. It's awful that Michael Brown is dead, and it was handled poorly at a judicial level. The riots and protests understandably stem from the deep distrust of broken and racist system. But when we play word games to mask the truth, and when we reduce the discourse to fictionalized accounts of the indecent we are only harming ourselves. I only responded to your post because people are ****ing stupid, and you aren't. So I know you understand what I'm saying. Now we're just starting to get into semantics. Yes, he was a legal adult. If it's a number under twenty, I usually refer to people as kids though. I don't think I've ever in my life said "19 year old man", but I definitely called my friend a 19 year old kid to someone today. It's colloquial, not a political strategy. He's younger than me, he's a kid. I think people can have an honest conversation about it, but I think you're being a bit unrealistic about how you wish people would approach this. Look at me for example- I can talk about this objectively and not have an issue. It's absolutely a complex topic that shouldn't be treated in such a dichotomized manner. But you keep taking issue with my style of writing over everything. My style of writing doesn't mean that I can't have an honest conversation about it or that I'm trying to skew perception of my argument. It's just my writing style. I tend to use hyperbole, colloquialisms, extensive similes, and an exasperating amount of adverbs, especially "literally". I write in a stream of consciousness style. I don't think about the effect that choosing "kid" versus "adult" has; I just write "kid" because that's what seems natural to write after "18 year old". If he were 20, I'd probably switch to "20 year old guy" or just "20 year old". If he were female, I probably would've written "18 year old girl". Would she be a "girl"? No, but that's what's natural for me to write. If I were writing an academic paper, I'd absolutely avoid these ambiguous devices, but for a "kid" with ADHD writing on a discussion board at 4AM, I'm more interested in conveying my point than making sure my syntax and word selection is as neutral as possible. People are going to talk about this differently. You have to remember that not everyone is as educated as you or as technically gifted with writing as you. Not everyone is going to talk about it in a clinical manner or even have the skill set to be able to do so. I do, but not without the proper medication. Stop focusing on language as the sign of honesty and rather focus on the perspective and the actual argument being presented. If something is ambiguous, ask to clarify or challenge it. Don't accuse them of trying a narrative maneuver. If someone uses a colloquialism, realize that they don't have a think tank working for them and it's more than likely a casual, natural occurrence rather than coded language. This is an example of you being too smart for your own good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKANK 14,288 Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Now we're just starting to get into semantics. Yes, he was a legal adult. If it's a number under twenty, I usually refer to people as kids though. I don't think I've ever in my life said "19 year old man", but I definitely called my friend a 19 year old kid to someone today. It's colloquial, not a political strategy. He's younger than me, he's a kid. I think people can have an honest conversation about it, but I think you're being a bit unrealistic about how you wish people would approach this. Look at me for example- I can talk about this objectively and not have an issue. It's absolutely a complex topic that shouldn't be treated in such a dichotomized manner. But you keep taking issue with my style of writing over everything. My style of writing doesn't mean that I can't have an honest conversation about it or that I'm trying to skew perception of my argument. It's just my writing style. I tend to use hyperbole, colloquialisms, extensive similes, and an exasperating amount of adverbs, especially "literally". I write in a stream of consciousness style. I don't think about the effect that choosing "kid" versus "adult" has; I just write "kid" because that's what seems natural to write after "18 year old". If he were 20, I'd probably switch to "20 year old guy" or just "20 year old". If he were female, I probably would've written "18 year old girl". Would she be a "girl"? No, but that's what's natural for me to write. If I were writing an academic paper, I'd absolutely avoid these ambiguous devices, but for a "kid" with ADHD writing on a discussion board at 4AM, I'm more interested in conveying my point than making sure my syntax and word selection is as neutral as possible. People are going to talk about this differently. You have to remember that not everyone is as educated as you or as technically gifted with writing as you. Not everyone is going to talk about it in a clinical manner or even have the skill set to be able to do so. I do, but not without the proper medication. Stop focusing on language as the sign of honesty and rather focus on the perspective and the actual argument being presented. If something is ambiguous, ask to clarify or challenge it. Don't accuse them of trying a narrative maneuver. If someone uses a colloquialism, realize that they don't have a think tank working for them and it's more than likely a casual, natural occurrence rather than coded language. This is an example of you being too smart for your own good. When you call a six-foot-four, two-hundred-and-something-pound, eighteen year old man a "kid" you are using manipulative language in the same way racist morons are using manipulative language when they call protesters "animals." It's subtle but destructive and dishonest. Just like when you claimed with certainty that Michael Brown would be alive today had Officer Wilson had a taser. We don't know that. There is a HUGE amount of misinformation being spread on social media by ignorant people, and it really needs to end if we want to make any advancements in the real issues facing the African American community. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,655 Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Things are getting violent in Ferguson once again. The protest in New York is huge! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinkmytears 2,332 Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Macklemore participated in a pacific protest last night in Seattle. Where are your faves? Not trying to get promotion out of a serious issue... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewStevens 5,249 Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Not trying to get promotion out of a serious issue... Not other artists doing absolutely nothing but tweeting about this or not even tweeting about this. :sweep: Not you criticizing him for doing something while you do nothing about it. :sweep: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Sebastian 0 Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 I'm not even from the USA but I want to know whats going on without reading all of this... can anyone fill me in? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsTommyBitch 12,640 Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Now we're just starting to get into semantics. Yes, he was a legal adult. If it's a number under twenty, I usually refer to people as kids though. I don't think I've ever in my life said "19 year old man", but I definitely called my friend a 19 year old kid to someone today. It's colloquial, not a political strategy. He's younger than me, he's a kid. ... If I were writing an academic paper, I'd absolutely avoid these ambiguous devices, but for a "kid" with ADHD writing on a discussion board at 4AM, I'm more interested in conveying my point than making sure my syntax and word selection is as neutral as possible. People are going to talk about this differently. You have to remember that not everyone is as educated as you or as technically gifted with writing as you. Not everyone is going to talk about it in a clinical manner or even have the skill set to be able to do so. I do, but not without the proper medication. Stop focusing on language as the sign of honesty and rather focus on the perspective and the actual argument being presented. If something is ambiguous, ask to clarify or challenge it. Don't accuse them of trying a narrative maneuver. If someone uses a colloquialism, realize that they don't have a think tank working for them and it's more than likely a casual, natural occurrence rather than coded language. This is an example of you being too smart for your own good. Tbh this point would solve a ton of misdirected arguments that occur in life, especially on the internet (Saving it) Attacking something as basic as syntax and colloquialisms instead of seeing the main point in an argument is silly and in my opinion, derails the discussion until its not even about what it originally was. But I digress... I've been following the discussion, as well as the case and have read the testimonies and official documents and I definitely agree with your point Keep on trucking. 私自身もこの世の中も誰もかれもが, どんなに華やかな人生でも, どんなに悲惨な人生でも, いつかは変貌し, 破壊され、消滅してしまう. すべてがもともとこの世に存在しない一瞬の幻想なのだから Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 So the store wehre Ferguson robbed were looted By protestors. What Is Wrong with u america Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundwave 193 Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 None of this has even made news in Australia. Wtf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 680 Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 None of this has even made news in Australia. Wtf. Good to hear - can't see it doing anything good Aussie race relations, and Americans routinely ignore equally big stories in other countries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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