Woolfsmck 2,763 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Woolfsmck has me thinking. What would happen if Palestinians ceased violence?Me too. In fact, they could bring to the forefront the illegal actions by the Jewish radicals..... like a cat in a sil, I observe life, moving and still. My words give a clue,look inside to see whats true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted October 22, 2015 Author Share Posted October 22, 2015 Woolfsmck has me thinking. What would happen if Palestinians ceased violence? Settlements would still happen of course but it's true that if Palestinians stop reacting to violence with violence it's actually in their best interest in the end because Israel and its defenders won't have any good arguments left.Sadly too many people benefit from discord, I guess..I read somewhere that they achieved more in first and second intifada than in times of peace, like removing settlements from Gaza. But I can't find the source rn. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,380 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 I read somewhere that they achieved more in first and second intifada than in times of peace, like removing settlements from Gaza. But I can't find the source rn. Well, in that time I can understand but in this age of independent journalism, social media and the internet in general, I think they'd benefit more with a silent rebellion, personally. I mean, even the peace proposals Palestine has don't fool anyone. It's unconditional, temporary and suspicious. That's not a good look. Ugh, it's all such a mess Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 I read somewhere that they achieved more in first and second intifada than in times of peace, like removing settlements from Gaza. But I can't find the source rn. but weren't more settlements build after all the intifadas? That's what I read somewhere. Not sure either tho Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lego 44,165 Posted October 22, 2015 Author Share Posted October 22, 2015 Before these knife attacks there were numerous attacks by settlers and idf random shootings at fishermen and protestors. Many times those stories were shared on social media but there was almost nothing in Western mainstream media. I think they just lost their patience because whole world doesn't really give a ****. And many of them are really young. I think older Palestinians like 40+ have more wisdom.I'm also not for these attacks, especially against civilians, but I'm not living there either so I can't say why this all started now. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
River 127,453 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 I don't think any of the politicians wants peace.Netanyahu needs this conflict to stay prime minster and rich, he's doing what the **** he wants.. all he needs to say "bad arabs, terror, Iran" and he gets he's votes, in return he's doing some mini wars every few months (usually on holidays when the kids are at home..)Hamas and Fataj leaders are enjoying the money that they get from other islamic countries, donations, UN, they are rich, enjoying life.. all they have to say it's "bad zionist, occupation, Palestinian is ours, go fight for the land" and that's it they get support, the poor people who have nothing left go to kill israelis, or at least trying, they give them the title shahid, like a little candy to the homeless, and the cycle go on and on..Peace = bye bye to the good life. So sploosh your juice all over me you Riverboy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UC PiXELVISION 353 Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Why cant we all just love each other Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woolfsmck 2,763 Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 I don't think any of the politicians wants peace.Netanyahu needs this conflict to stay prime minster and rich, he's doing what the **** he wants.. all he needs to say "bad arabs, terror, Iran" and he gets he's votes, in return he's doing some mini wars every few months (usually on holidays when the kids are at home..)Hamas and Fataj leaders are enjoying the money that they get from other islamic countries, donations, UN, they are rich, enjoying life.. all they have to say it's "bad zionist, occupation, Palestinian is ours, go fight for the land" and that's it they get support, the poor people who have nothing left go to kill israelis, or at least trying, they give them the title shahid, like a little candy to the homeless, and the cycle go on and on..Peace = bye bye to the good life. That's what I think too...war is economically and politically helping the power elite stay there. Israeli's have it easy too... Just pretend they wanna 'pray' at the temple mount, and wah lah.....phsyco zomie attack from hell erupts in the west bank..... like a cat in a sil, I observe life, moving and still. My words give a clue,look inside to see whats true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted October 23, 2015 Author Share Posted October 23, 2015 Palestinian attacks fueled by settler violence, senior Israeli commander says Former West Bank division commander testifies in court against right-wing extremists. Right-wing violence in the West Bank is one of the causes of Palestinian terror,” a senior Israel Defense Forces officer told a court on Thursday. “Some of the motivation of the Palestinians to carry out terror attacks is due to the violence of right-wing elements in the West Bank,” the director of the IDF operations directorate, Maj. Gen. Nitzan Alon, said in testimony at a trial about incitement on the Hakol Hayehudi (The Jewish Voice) website. Alon came to testify as the former commander of the Judea and Samaria Division and the head of Central Command, in a trial against Avraham Binyamin and Yehoshua Hess, who are accused of being the editors and owners of Hakol Hayehudi, based in the settlement of Yitzhar, where they publicized words of violence and incitement. The two deny the accusation. [Road sign to Yitzhar settlement. Arabic blackened, "revenge" sprayed in Hebrew instead.] Alon was brought as an expert on Jewish violence in the West Bank and its effect on the security situation in the region. In his testimony he said that incidents of Israeli violence are linked to Palestinian violence. “In my understanding there are many reasons for Palestinian violence, some of them related to the murderous behavior of the terrorists, some related to religious and nationalistic motives, and a certain part, not the main part, that is related to revenge activity due to the activity of Israelis against Palestinians,” said Alon. Attorney Yitzhak Bam asked whether IDF violence is the reason for Palestinian violence. Alon replied that “the Palestinians, for them IDF activities in which Palestinians are hurt serve as another issue encouraging and causing terror activities. They differentiate between the activities of soldiers and those of settlers, but for them both are occupation.” Alon said that “a significant part of Israeli violence against Palestinians stems from Palestinian violence against Israelis. Some of the incidents are revenge for terror or violence.” Regarding criticism of him and the demonstrations against him, Alon said, “There were several attempts to demonstrate in front of my house, I don’t know where the residents were from and they didn’t influence me at all.” He said that he did not read Hakol Hayehudi regularly, and denied that he was testifying against the site because they wrote that his wife was a member of the Machsom Watch anti-occupation group or because they called the violent incidents “the Nitzan Alon intifada.” According to the indictment, the website posts “systematically included incitement to violence and racism against Israeli and Palestinian Arabs ... claiming that Arabs are hated, murderers, violent, wild animals, rioters, evil, brazen, terrorists, abusive, cruel, harassers, criminals, hostile and an enemy.” http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel/.premium-1.681956?v=171C694A1F44EF1CBBD8A2DB6CC2CEDE FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 680 Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Woolfsmck has me thinking. What would happen if Palestinians ceased violence? Settlements would still happen of course but it's true that if Palestinians stop reacting to violence with violence it's actually in their best interest in the end because Israel and its defenders won't have any good arguments left to defend or skip past their actions in the international eye.Sadly too many people benefit from discord, I guess..It's a pity that Islam didn't have the ethical/spiritual resources to produce a leader like Gandhi or Martin Luther King. The Prophet conquered by the sword; Christians only started doing that centuries after Jesus (and his more pacifistic teachings).Maybe too late now. It's hard to make non-violent protest work unless pretty much everyone on your side is willing to be non-violent. If it had been tried back in the 60's or 70's though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 680 Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Or if the Palestinians wanted to use terrorist tactics, maybe they would have played it smarter being more like the Irish republican Army - who didn't go all out, tried to avoid harming civilians, and thus didn't make the British hate Irish Catholics as mass killers.http://exiledonline.com/wn-38-ira-vs-al-qaeda-i-was-wrong/"What I wrote back in 2005, praising Al Qaeda for going all out and sneering at the IRA for pulling its punches, was stupid. Totally wrong. Typical loudmouthed crap by a hick who hadn’t thought hard enough about guerrilla strategy.The only thing I can say in defense of that 2005 article is that I had the facts right; I just read them wrong. By “the facts” I mean the basic difference between the IRA’s strategy and Al Qaeda’s: The IRA never used all its strength, played very cautiously, did just enough mayhem to remind Britain they were still around, hadn’t been broken. ..." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 It's a pity that Islam didn't have the ethical/spiritual resources to produce a leader like Gandhi or Martin Luther King. The Prophet conquered by the sword; Christians only started doing that centuries after Jesus (and his more pacifistic teachings).Maybe too late now. It's hard to make non-violent protest work unless pretty much everyone on your side is willing to be non-violent. If it had been tried back in the 60's or 70's though?I don't see how Martin Luther king is related to that ?? Maybe you mean Martin Luther? Either way Gandhi wasn't the best either. He was highly racist and s-xist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,380 Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 Martin Luther was a ****ing criminal One of the most dreadful Christian "heroes" of all time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 Martin Luther was a ****ing criminal One of the most dreadful Christian "heroes" of all time. Yes A lot of Europe's anti-semitism is also based on him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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