Fiona Apple 13,006 Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 No honey, you're the one who needs to stop. An artist doesn't need to have a song charting to prove that they are a good songwriter. There are MANY songwriters that write better than what's on the top 40 now, and they aren't even famous or have a record deal. Charts =/= quality You seriously can't understand what I am saying.. I am not saying that a good song is always successful..But when you are already a mainsteam artist like Rihanna and you have so many hits and the only songs of your albums you write are the one that are never planned to be singles means that you are not a good enough song writer and your career is based on other songwriters.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry 26,836 Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 My opinion is that when you don't write your songs you are not a good artist..That's what I think LOL Just stop ..Gaga writes every of her songs,not only the songs that are not charting..I never said that a song that is not charting is bad..I said that when you write ONLY the songs in her albums that are never going to be heard on radio ,that means that you don't really count on your songwriting skills That's an awfully close minded view to have. An artist can be anything... Would you say that songwriters who aren't also vocalists/performers aren't talented as well in that case? Is an incredible actor that performs from a script not talented? An artist is an artist, whether you're just a singer, an instrumentalist in a band, a dancer.. whatever. To say an artist is only talented if they write a hit song is incredibly shallow. As Paper Gangsta mentioned... Whitney and Elvis never wrote songs, but they're amongst the greatest voices of all time. And you're going to try and say they have no talent? In an attempt to downplay whatever Rihanna can do? Life is bigger than stupid stan wars between pop stars. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiona Apple 13,006 Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 That's an awfully close minded view to have. An artist can be anything... Would you say that songwriters who aren't also vocalists/performers aren't talented as well in that case? Is an incredible actor that performs from a script not talented? An artist is an artist, whether you're just a singer, an instrumentalist in a band, a dancer.. whatever. To say an artist is only talented if they write a hit song is incredibly shallow. As Paper Gangsta mentioned... Whitney and Elvis never wrote songs, but they're amongst the greatest voices of all time. And you're going to try and say they have no talent? In an attempt to downplay whatever Rihanna can do? Life is bigger than stupid stan wars between pop stars. So you are comparing Rihanna with Elvis and Whitney..? Elvis and Whitney weren't writing their songs but they were giving life to the songs...Rihanna just sings them in a generic way lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paper Gangsta 6,693 Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 So you are comparing Rihanna with Elvis and Whitney..? Elvis and Whitney weren't writing their songs but they were giving life to the songs...Rihanna just sings them in a generic way lol They where giving life to them lol? I don't see how are they any different than Rihanna Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiona Apple 13,006 Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 They where giving life to them lol? I don't see how are they any different than Rihanna Seriously ? Ok..Anyway I don't wanna hate on Rihanna..I do listen to her music.I just think that she is less talented than most popstars Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paper Gangsta 6,693 Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 Seriously ? Ok..Anyway I don't wanna hate on Rihanna..I do listen to her music.I just think that she is less talented than most popstars What talent does Whitney have that Rihanna doesnt? Also according to you dancers arent talented if they arent making their own coreography Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo 3,000 Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 1.Yes but an artist's job IS to write his songs...Otherwise you are just like a product,they give you songs and you just sing them... 2.She hasn't written even 1 single in her whole career 1. His/her, don't be s-xist. 2. No, it isn't. By that logic, all songwriters should also sing, which isn't true. 3. Take note that Elvis, Diana Ross, Frank Sinatra and Whitney Houston barely had any work in writing their songs, but that doesn't stop them being incredible artists. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladey Gagz 2,512 Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 LOL Just stop ..Gaga writes every of her songs,not only the songs that are not charting..I never said that a song that is not charting is bad..I said that when you write ONLY the songs in her albums that are never going to be heard on radio ,that means that you don't really count on your songwriting skillsSo writing songs that are on albums but not charting doesn't count as songwriting? InterestingI guess there are about a few hundred (maybe less) songwriters in the world You're saying that you're not saying a song that is not charting is bad Yet you argue that a songwriter who doesn't write for the charts are not considered songwriters because they're bad :madge: Alrighty then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navy 495 Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 She has a good voice.But she is a bad performer and she is not a songwriter..That's why.But I think that she is far more talented than other popstars like Britney Bad performer? Try again. Obliviously not as good as Gaga and others, but she's still incredible live. I've seen her 8 times love and she has an amazing stage presence and captivating charisma onstage. She puts on a great show, dances well, and sings amazingly. Also she has wrote many of her songs including a majority of her most critically acclaimed album Rated R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electra 1 Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 She sounds great! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry 26,836 Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 So you are comparing Rihanna with Elvis and Whitney..? Elvis and Whitney weren't writing their songs but they were giving life to the songs...Rihanna just sings them in a generic way lol Can you bold the part in my post where I said Rihanna's talent is comparable to Elvis and Whitney? I was talking in general about your statement that - quote - "when you don't write your songs you are not a good artist". And now you're backtracking. Stop trying to discredit pop stars just because they aren't Lady Gaga. I'm not even a fan of Rihanna but come on... Credit where credit's due. She isn't exactly a natural talent but she has a unique voice and she's learnt how to use it over the past couple of years. And you can hear that in this demo and several performances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navy 495 Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 Any hit single? Run This Town #2 Hard #8 Rude Boy #1 You Da One #14 Birthday Cake #24 Pour It Up #19 What Now #25 :bye: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 What talent does Whitney have that Rihanna doesnt? You are kidding, right? Whitney is one of the best vocalists in the history of Pop music. You really don't know the difference between one of the most phenomenal voices to ever sing a Pop song and Rihanna? I do agree with your general premise, though. A respected singer/perforner doesn't have to write their own songs. However, they need to bring something to the table, in order to be an artist. I believe Rihanna does that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tylerjudas 374 Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 Can someone reupload this or PM a dl link to it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ULTRARTPOP 0 Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 This thread is a mess :toofunny: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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