Gaga's interview with 'The Times'

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Ugh. Her views on Feminism are so flip floppy. Bless her for trying but she clearly has no grasp on serious women's rights issues . She already manages to contradict herself in a matter of seconds. Right after proclaiming she is some big believer in the power of female artists performers she than goes on to separate herself from them, and slightly shade them (you would think she would be like yas! great to see fellow females making it big in the game, were all in this together blablabla!?) I'm starting to think she just calls herself a feminist to appear intelligent or edgy...

Feminism isn't the same as saying that all artists ( regardless of gender) work at the same level. The topics are unrelated.

[JDi 1,495]

Ugh. Her views on Feminism are so flip floppy. Bless her for trying but she clearly has no grasp on serious women's rights issues . She already manages to contradict herself in a matter of seconds. Right after proclaiming she is some big believer in the power of female artists performers she than goes on to separate herself from them, and slightly shade them (you would think she would be like yas! great to see fellow females making it big in the game, were all in this together blablabla!?)  I'm starting to think she just calls herself a feminist to appear intelligent or edgy...

ew. tumblr? or whatever is definitely not the right place you have found out about feminism.

people were acting just like you when she said that she's not a feminist and celebrates male culture calling her pseudo-intellectual only because they had heard something not fitting the well-memorized definition they got in store while ultimately leaving the quote out of context. give me a break.

the "well-educated modern perception" you seem to have adopted is rotten and fake as ****. feminism is whatever one woman perceives for herself to be her role in establishing women's rightful place in this world and Gaga is being way real for your research-report-preparation-opinionated ass to comprehend.

[swine killer 0]

Ugh. Her views on Feminism are so flip floppy. Bless her for trying but she clearly has no grasp on serious women's rights issues . She already manages to contradict herself in a matter of seconds. Right after proclaiming she is some big believer in the power of female artists performers she than goes on to separate herself from them, and slightly shade them (you would think she would be like yas! great to see fellow females making it big in the game, were all in this together blablabla!?)  I'm starting to think she just calls herself a feminist to appear intelligent or edgy...

 

Sorry for my grammar and spellings, I’m not english, Alright. Let me first tell you that I've been a feminist for over 15 years. I know it in and out. and I don’t play in the same team as the extremists from tumblr but I also don’t praise Emma Watson's speech

 

So here we go. Gaga's statement about feminism and her "shade" or whatever against Katy, Miley and Taylor are two different things. As I said earlier in this thread: being a feminist does not mean I should automatically support all women. A feminist stands for the observance of equality but you can still be critical, regardless of gender. Then about serious women's rights issue. We really have very high standards on Gaga?! Should Gaga have to start mentioning all cases of severe problems in the world and why feminism is needed only because she pronounce herself as a feminist. She is a human being. Give her a break. The interview is about her in a hotel room. It’s not a speech outside the White House.

But however, since you all are mixing feminism and Gaga's "shade".

We start with MILEY. Why should Gaga support her? Miley has played with cultural appropriation, s-xism and subcultures in such ugly ways. While she favors the misogynist behavior.. She is the one trying to be edgy and all that. So NO I will not will not relegate myself with that kind of person. It must be tiring to constantly hear that Miley "shocks" and are more "extreme" "cooler" than Gaga. The truth about Miley is that both the hipster culture and Gagas authentic way to express herself with clothes and art, making Miley a basic b---h. Yes I said it.

Then we take TAYLOR. As a strong performer I wouldnt either wanted to be compared to Taylor Swift. I think she lacks an incredible amount of knowledge. She uses other cultures and does not consider at all. She plays the myth of the woman and trying to make herself into an innocent girl who is “man worthy†while shaming other women for being s-xual. So NO I will not will not relegate myself with that kind of person. Then she constantly gets hurt by men, and that’s sad for her of course, but she do hits about it so she’s fine I guess.

Last but not least, KATY. The woman who said several times that she is not a feminist but now she apparently confused. I give her time. But she obviously controlled by other men who decide for her what she should do. And it's sell sell sell. She can say something else but her team has already decided behind her back about what should happen. She don’t work against the patriarchy and she(or her team) think she can be edgy, harmless and flawless by using different cultures as part of her non-genuine artistry. So NO I will not will not relegate myself with that kind of person. And sorry but there is not so much genuineness and passion in Katy's music if you ask me.

 

None of what I have written makes me a less feminist. And neither do me a hater. I'm just critical. These are actually facts.

 

 

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[superman 32]

what does using other cultures differs to using religion to get sales? taylor and katy may use other cultures (I don't see how this is bad) but gaga has done the exact same thing with religious themes so I guess she s not that above them afterall :) plus don't fool yourself that gaga doesn't have  a management that took care of her successful eras like katy or EVERY pop star does. ARTPOP may have ended being far better with a good manager behind and it was destroyed when troy split with gaga

plus how is gaga stronger when in every single interview she finds something to complain. if you re really strong you act like beyonce who deal with her issues and comes off as strong. katy doesn't complain about everything either publically.

[LilVenusian 579]

Except that what she said was exactly what she was saying before about feminism.

She said that women are still controled

All those women are controlled and they want to be controled by men just to make money for them.

How is she supposed to support that if she is a feminist? :)

That's her assumptions. Its kind of anti-feminist too just stereotype them as having no control over their careers just cause their young, attractive females. I just find it ridic that she champions female artists , but only certain types. Who the hell are we to judge who has integrity or not. As long as women are getting a larger platform to express themselves creatively than that's all that should really matter... 

[SpadesToStart 2,959]

“I’m not a feminist. I hail men, I love men, I celebrate American male culture" 

I think Gaga realized she was misinformed about that earlier statement.  You can love men, and like male culture, and enjoy being submissive AND still be a feminist.  Feminism just means you think women should be able to do anything, and shouldn't be forced into any specific role or image. 

 

Also Gaga can be a feminist and still not support Taylor, Miley, or Katy.  She doesn't support them because she disapproves of their methods, motivations, integrity, etc.  The things she doesn't like about them have nothing to do with their gender. 

[Celina 118]

That's her assumptions. Its kind of anti-feminist too just stereotype them as having no control over their careers just cause their young, attractive females. I just find it ridic that she champions female artists , but only certain types. Who the hell are we to judge who has integrity or not. As long as women are getting a larger platform to express themselves creatively than that's all that should really matter... 

 

It really has nothing to do with them being young or attractive... Was Gaga not young or attractive when she started out? Is she still not?

 

Lbr, Gaga does have more talent and integrity than most of her peers, especially in the pop world, regardless of gender. It's extremely easy to see; she just made the mistake of pointing it out herself. Don't get me wrong, I thought it came off as (uncharacteristically, which is why I'm not up in arms about it) rude and shady, & I cringed when I read the word "relegate," especially since there were specific names involved. However, what she said wasn't as baseless or anti-feminist as you're making it out to be.

 

That said, I can't say I would have specifically mentioned those artists, especially Taylor Swift; as far as I know, she's quite heavily involved in her work & isn't "manufactured" 

[LilVenusian 579]

We start with MILEY. Why should Gaga support her? Miley has played with cultural appropriation, s-xism and subcultures in such ugly ways. While she favors the misogynist behavior.. She is the one trying to be edgy and all that. So NO I will not will not relegate myself with that kind of person. It must be tiring to constantly hear that Miley "shocks" and are more "extreme" "cooler" than Gaga. The truth about Miley is that both the hipster culture and Gagas authentic way to express herself with clothes and art, making Miley a basic b---h. Yes I said it.

Then we take TAYLOR. As a strong performer I wouldnt either wanted to be compared to Taylor Swift. I think she lacks an incredible amount of knowledge. She uses other cultures and does not consider at all. She plays the myth of the woman and trying to make herself into an innocent girl who is “man worthy†while shaming other women for being s-xual. So NO I will not will not relegate myself with that kind of person. Then she constantly gets hurt by men, and that’s sad for her of course, but she do hits about it so she’s fine I guess.

Last but not least, KATY. The woman who said several times that she is not a feminist but now she apparently confused. I give her time. But she obviously controlled by other men who decide for her what she should do. And it's sell sell sell. She can say something else but her team has already decided behind her back about what should happen. She don’t work against the patriarchy and she(or her team) think she can be edgy, harmless and flawless by using different cultures as part of her non-genuine artistry. So NO I will not will not relegate myself with that kind of person. And sorry but there is not so much genuineness and passion in Katy's music if you ask me.

 

 

 

You’re being extremely judgmental about those artists though. As long as those women are empowered/happy in their positions than that’s all that should really matter. Not to mention, this whole stereotype that women have no control in their careers in pop music is in itself problematic because it assumes that those women are inherently powerless in everything that they do. How the hell do you know how much autonomy Katy Perry, Taylor Swift, Miley etc have in their career? Do you personally know them?  I just don’t understand as feminists why we should we even bother to tear down/judge other female artists when male produced content is infinitely more influential and damaging when it comes to objectifying women and perpetuating negative stereotypes (i.e male attitudes towards women are more likely to be reinforced by other males, not the latest Miley Cyrus/Katy Perry video clip). Let’s focus on that instead of blaming/nit-picking our fellow women, who are just trying to make do in an already male-dominated industry.

[Michael 533]

The part about Taylor :cry:

[brizoda 3,404]

why this obsession with females

 

males also make pop music

 

my favorites :  AM I WRONG by Nico & Vinz

                       SING by Ed Sheeran

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Ugh. Her views on Feminism are so flip floppy. Bless her for trying but she clearly has no grasp on serious women's rights issues . She already manages to contradict herself in a matter of seconds. Right after proclaiming she is some big believer in the power of female artists performers she than goes on to separate herself from them, and slightly shade them (you would think she would be like yas! great to see fellow females making it big in the game, were all in this together blablabla!?)  I'm starting to think she just calls herself a feminist to appear intelligent or edgy...

You’re being extremely judgmental about those artists though. As long as those women are empowered/happy in their positions than that’s all that should really matter. Not to mention, this whole stereotype that women have no control in their careers in pop music is in itself problematic because it assumes that those women are inherently powerless in everything that they do. How the hell do you know how much autonomy Katy Perry, Taylor Swift, Miley etc have in their career? Do you personally know them?  I just don’t understand as feminists why we should we even bother to tear down/judge other female artists when male produced content is infinitely more influential and damaging when it comes to objectifying women and perpetuating negative stereotypes (i.e male attitudes towards women are more likely to be reinforced by other males, not the latest Miley Cyrus/Katy Perry video clip). Let’s focus on that instead of blaming/nit-picking our fellow women, who are just trying to make do in an already male-dominated industry.

 

 

And here you are complaining and sort of tear and judging Gaga. You complain about her views on feminism, and you say that she’s says that she is a feminist just to apear edgy and intelligent. But are you trying to excuse Miley, Katy and Taylor for their non-feminist behaviours and be like YAS GIRL POWER, and drag both me and Gaga?

Why should I as a feminist to shut up when Miley, Katy and Taylor constantly exploiting other cultures and don’t fight against s-xism and stereotypes! Why I think many artists are industrially is that they use the faceless black woman repeatedly. (I will not go into the details, you can figure it out yourself). They are the ones who want to be "Edgy"? They objectify the woman in so many ways. Why shoud they get away with it? You mention the men, yes there are men who can make it worse. And I don’t attack women only. I can do a facking list of men I just want to scalp! But this is about Miley, Katy and Taylor – because the OP is about the article and all you here who have problems with Gaga's statement and feminism.

The difference between Gaga and them is that Gaga is THE edgy and intelligent one. Gaga appreciate other people's cultures, cultural influences and like to school herself. She cares about and traditions while she spreads love, approaching equality and fight against the misogyny and patriarchy. She know the roots of her art and expressions. She have visions and know what she stands for. Her artistry is her life.  

I don't say that Gaga is flawless. But when she is extreme, she uses herself, or she uses a social problem and shows how passionate she is about it. When she was controversial, she used the Catholic church. Of course that harms many peope and that's another discussion and it’s questionable, but at least she is born and raised catholic and has experience.

Sometimes cultural appropriation is an overreaction. It's still something that feminists should fight against. Feminism is linked to anti-racism/s-xism/homophobia etc.

 

Maybe I was a bit too harsh on Katy, and I am sorry for that. I don’t think she is powerless, I wish her health, peace, happiness and much love!!! .. but I don’t think her music or artistry is genuine and it feels like it's owned by today's music industry. I am critical to her non-feminist behaviours etc. even if she is a woman!  Sorry I can not support her as an artist. I want equality and authenticity.

 

 

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[MonsterofFame 1,780]

Originally I was a bit annoyed that Gaga shaded Katy, Miley, and Taylor, but I think she's right. Katy, Miley, and Taylor all claim to be feminists but many of their actions don't support it at all, or only when it's convenient for them. They also use many tricks in the book to further sell their act.

 

Miley, as you said, uses s-x and every trick in the book to sell her music. She's clearly taking advantage of being an attractive woman. Could you imagine a guy pulling the stunts she did, and how it would be received? It wouldn't work one bit.

 

Katy also uses s-x to sell most of her work. How does this help her views of feminism that women shouldn't be objectified and be treated equally? She also dated two of the most well-known womanizers of pop culture. So she wants everyone to treat women equally but she chooses to love and care for men who have much less respect for women than the average man?

 

Taylor, while being a genuine singer-songwriter at first, has sold her original sound and style to become more mainstream. She now works with Max Martin and Shellback, who write half of the other pop hits you hear on the radio. She also enjoys playing the poor innocent girl who gets hurt by men. Could you imagine a guy trying to get everyone to feel half as sorry for himself as she does? Everyone's attitude would be to suck it up and deal with it like a "man."

[PopBitch 1,218]

yeah. She says she fights for female artist and then right after she goes ahead and says she's better than her peers and won't be associated with them because they have "no artistic integrity".

Tacky. And she surrounds herself with Terry Richardson and did a video with Terry and R. Kelly Do What You Want. She always contradicts herself. ARTPOP was no better than Prism and most people weren't bowled over by it as some big piece of great work. I think her shadiness that way towards other pop singers is unattractive.

Other than that, I like a lot of the article, and she seems on a much steadier course these days. Good for her. I do love how she and Taylor are together. I hope he doesn't have a side she doesn't see. He doesn't seem the type, so hopefully he isn't a screw around on the side like a lot of these actors are. I'd hate to see her hurt.

[PopBitch 1,218]

Originally I was a bit annoyed that Gaga shaded Katy, Miley, and Taylor, but I think she's right. Katy, Miley, and Taylor all claim to be feminists but many of their actions don't support it at all, or only when it's convenient for them. They also use many tricks in the book to further sell their act.

 

Miley, as you said, uses s-x and every trick in the book to sell her music. She's clearly taking advantage of being an attractive woman. Could you imagine a guy pulling the stunts she did, and how it would be received? It wouldn't work one bit.

 

Katy also uses s-x to sell most of her work. How does this help her views of feminism that women shouldn't be objectified and be treated equally? She also dated two of the most well-known womanizers of pop culture. So she wants everyone to treat women equally but she chooses to love and care for men who have much less respect for women than the average man?

 

Taylor, while being a genuine singer-songwriter at first, has sold her original sound and style to become more mainstream. She now works with Max Martin and Shellback, who write half of the other pop hits you hear on the radio. She also enjoys playing the poor innocent girl who gets hurt by men. Could you imagine a guy trying to get everyone to feel half as sorry for himself as she does? Everyone's attitude would be to suck it up and deal with it like a "man."

Gaga strips nude, shows her ass the whole show practically, does a shot of her ass, on and on, walks down the street with her ass showing, tits showing. Does a shot of getting a tattoo and then pulls her dress up so her bare ass can be photoed. She is no better than any other pop star using her body. I hate this belittling other pop singers like Gaga is so above them and not using her body and antics. Stripping down naked at the gay club. I guess if Miley does it it's something different than if Gaga does it.

Gaga is more talented, but all of these girls have put out music and/or songs that mean something to somebody or that when they write them or co-write mean something to them and fans.

But let's tear them down. I think Gaga is more talented by far, but I don't think Gaga walks on water and I think she does a lot of antics and gimmicks that is NOT always about artnor shows her being any more of a feminist than Bey or Katy or anyone else. In fact, every time a pop artist pulls that it's my art, it's my art, half the time it's eye-roll inducing. That goes for Madonna too.

[Nein 508]

Great article