David Butler 0 Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Well, most fans aren't mindless zombies, they think for themselves. Well, I think they are mindless zombies that just follow the trend to be an atheist. There's a sick, disgusting trend right now to completely shun God and blaspheme him. They think they're cool... SMH. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAMROD 117,138 Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 He don't understand, he is the God. (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ✧*:･ﾟ ᶠʳᵒⁿᵗ ᵗᵒʷᵃʳᵈ ᵉⁿᵉᵐʸ (*´艸｀*) ♡♡♡ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goosey 3,017 Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Well that's Mr. Hawking's opinion. Personally I don't think math and microscopes can determine whether there's a God. That's why it's called faith. "I am the world's greatest person that does not want to let people into the country."—US President Donald J. Trump Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radio Ga Ga 5,671 Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Can you post them here? Or a summary of what you learned? I am interested. It's pretty complicated, but here it is: The First Way: Argument from Motion Our senses prove that some things are in motion. Things move when potential motion becomes actual motion. Only an actual motion can convert a potential motion into an actual motion. Nothing can be at once in both actuality and potentiality in the same respect (i.e., if both actual and potential, it is actual in one respect and potential in another). Therefore nothing can move itself. Therefore each thing in motion is moved by something else. The sequence of motion cannot extend ad infinitum. Therefore it is necessary to arrive at a first mover, put in motion by no other; and this everyone understands to be God. The Second Way: Argument from Efficient Causes We perceive a series of efficient causes of things in the world. Nothing exists prior to itself. Therefore nothing is the efficient cause of itself. If a previous efficient cause does not exist, neither does the thing that results. Therefore if the first thing in a series does not exist, nothing in the series exists. The series of efficient causes cannot extend ad infinitum into the past, for then there would be no things existing now. Therefore it is necessary to admit a first efficient cause, to which everyone gives the name of God. The Third Way: Argument from Possibility and Necessity (Reductio argument) We find in nature things that are possible to be and not to be, that come into being and go out of being i.e., contingent beings. Assume that every being is a contingent being. For each contingent being, there is a time it does not exist. Therefore it is impossible for these always to exist. Therefore there could have been a time when no things existed. Therefore at that time there would have been nothing to bring the currently existing contingent beings into existence. Therefore, nothing would be in existence now. We have reached an absurd result from assuming that every being is a contingent being. Therefore not every being is a contingent being. Therefore some being exists of its own necessity, and does not receive its existence from another being, but rather causes them. This all men speak of as God. The Fourth Way: Argument from Gradation of Being There is a gradation to be found in things: some are better or worse than others. Predications of degree require reference to the “uttermost†case (e.g., a thing is said to be hotter according as it more nearly resembles that which is hottest). The maximum in any genus is the cause of all in that genus. Therefore there must also be something which is to all beings the cause of their being, goodness, and every other perfection; and this we call God. The Fifth Way: Argument from Design We see that natural bodies work toward some goal, and do not do so by chance. Most natural things lack knowledge. But as an arrow reaches its target because it is directed by an archer, what lacks intelligence achieves goals by being directed by something intelligence. Therefore some intelligent being exists by whom all natural things are directed to their end; and this being we call God. Source: http://web.mnstate.edu/gracyk/courses/web%20publishing/aquinasfiveways_argumenta--lysis.htm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
candle 136 Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I am God. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,683 Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 It's pretty complicated, but here it is: The First Way: Argument from Motion Our senses prove that some things are in motion. Things move when potential motion becomes actual motion. Only an actual motion can convert a potential motion into an actual motion. Nothing can be at once in both actuality and potentiality in the same respect (i.e., if both actual and potential, it is actual in one respect and potential in another). Therefore nothing can move itself. Therefore each thing in motion is moved by something else. The sequence of motion cannot extend ad infinitum. Therefore it is necessary to arrive at a first mover, put in motion by no other; and this everyone understands to be God. The Second Way: Argument from Efficient Causes We perceive a series of efficient causes of things in the world. Nothing exists prior to itself. Therefore nothing is the efficient cause of itself. If a previous efficient cause does not exist, neither does the thing that results. Therefore if the first thing in a series does not exist, nothing in the series exists. The series of efficient causes cannot extend ad infinitum into the past, for then there would be no things existing now. Therefore it is necessary to admit a first efficient cause, to which everyone gives the name of God. The Third Way: Argument from Possibility and Necessity (Reductio argument) We find in nature things that are possible to be and not to be, that come into being and go out of being i.e., contingent beings. Assume that every being is a contingent being. For each contingent being, there is a time it does not exist. Therefore it is impossible for these always to exist. Therefore there could have been a time when no things existed. Therefore at that time there would have been nothing to bring the currently existing contingent beings into existence. Therefore, nothing would be in existence now. We have reached an absurd result from assuming that every being is a contingent being. Therefore not every being is a contingent being. Therefore some being exists of its own necessity, and does not receive its existence from another being, but rather causes them. This all men speak of as God. The Fourth Way: Argument from Gradation of Being There is a gradation to be found in things: some are better or worse than others. Predications of degree require reference to the “uttermost†case (e.g., a thing is said to be hotter according as it more nearly resembles that which is hottest). The maximum in any genus is the cause of all in that genus. Therefore there must also be something which is to all beings the cause of their being, goodness, and every other perfection; and this we call God. The Fifth Way: Argument from Design We see that natural bodies work toward some goal, and do not do so by chance. Most natural things lack knowledge. But as an arrow reaches its target because it is directed by an archer, what lacks intelligence achieves goals by being directed by something intelligence. Therefore some intelligent being exists by whom all natural things are directed to their end; and this being we call God. Source: http://web.mnstate.edu/gracyk/courses/web%20publishing/aquinasfiveways_argumenta--lysis.htm Very interesting and thought provoking arguments. Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gov Hooka 8,008 Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 He's always said this lol, it's no surprise. Believe what you want, as long ad it gets you through life, who cares Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatfoxyfeeling 13,401 Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 "What was God doing before the divine creation? Was he preparing hell for people who asked such questions?" :applause: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gov Hooka 8,008 Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Shame on all you sad, pathetic atheists on this site. Very sad. You all make me sick to my stomach. You sad, empty souls will feel the wrath of God on Judgement Day. By the way Gaga would be very disappointed and disgusted by most of you here. She believes in God. God is real and great! you know i am extremely religious but this comment is unwarranted. let people believe or not believe what they want to. also for me science answers the what? of our existence and the universe. and God answers the why? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redstreak 6,653 Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Well, I think they are mindless zombies that just follow the trend to be an atheist. There's a sick, disgusting trend right now to completely shun God and blaspheme him. They think they're cool... SMH. Worldwide, more than eight-in-ten people identify with a religious group I'm not sure how atheism is the trend. Take a moment to think of just flexibility, love, and trust~ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakrai 4,759 Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 People are so obssesed with atheists smh If someone famous says "God is real" everyone's like meh But the minute a public figure says "There is no god" suddenly everyone flips their ****. Stephen Hawking knows absolutely NOTHING. the Pope knows absolutely NOTHING, and whatever they, or anyone, may think about God or religion, is an opinion. And that is the absolute, inescapable truth. #fact Oh, I'm just visiting- Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JusticeforVenus 950 Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 once a nun always a nun Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
display name 4,360 Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I do not like how he phrased that. I do not believe that any god exists either; however, you cannot prove the existence or nonexistence of a god. If someone were to ask you if God exists, the best answer that you could give is that you do not know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryhanna 3,507 Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 I agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIVA 666 Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Those who already agree with his point of view will just use this as another reference to uphold their view, while those that believe in a deity will continue to deny this world view. There are two types of people in this world: those that see the same universe and see a miracle by one ultimate cause or another, whereas others see a display of chance and possibility. Maybe you were just making a generalization, but I don't think something as complicated as the thoughts and emotions behind religion and science and how they impact peoples world/life views can be reduced to two categories. I think the edges have definitely been blurred through time. We're all Stronger Together! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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