capso 0 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Please sis, you need to stop with the Gaga underperforming thing Why can't we just accept ARTPOP as an artistic, amazing music album Preach it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helix 1,474 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 but how the naming of the countries at the end? cultural apropriatioon!!"2!!'1??'? No, nowadays Gypsy is a slur I think Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quark 7,098 Posted July 18, 2014 Author Share Posted July 18, 2014 Please sis, you need to stop with the Gaga underperforming thing Why can't we just accept ARTPOP as an artistic, amazing music album I think ARTPOP is both artistic and amazing. I am just asking for honest opinions from others in this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memo 176 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 No, nowadays Gypsy is a slur I thinknnnnnnnnsoon we'll all be talking in sign language :smh: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebe 17,093 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Well she sold 1 million copies of Born This Way in the first week. The lead single for Born This Way shot to #1. It seems obvious that talk would end up being about her downfall because there was no way she was going to achieve the hype she did during that era. She also released an album that was in a lot of ways very "anti-gaga". It didn't follow a lot of the rigid pop structures that she had adhered to previously and that could come across as jarring. I still wouldn't see ARTPOP as an underperformance though. It's a #1 album and spawned a worldwide sold-out tour. It is fashionable for the press to do the whole "Gaga is Over!" thing now. The biggest star on the planet suddenly fades into obscurity! Katy Perry has overtaken her as queen! It sells papers and gets clicks. It's all cyclical. C2C will see her critical acclaim rise again and it will likely debut at #1. (It isn't fashionable to trash Jazz legend Tony Bennett, and critics will jizz themselves over the prospect of Gaga showing off nothing but her vocals. They will be full of fake "surprise" at how well she sings). Her next album will also likely debut at #1. From there it makes it a lot harder for critics to label her as a flop or label her as over because she will have 4 straight #1 albums under her belt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronyoji 2,054 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 I think ARTPOP as it back in 2012 with Garibay was amazing, but she second-guessed herself to death leading us to get 2013's ARTPOP. She worries her work to death. THE FAME and BTW felt effortless, while ARTPOP reeks of her trying to regain that sense of effortlessness. yeah i agree. ARTPOP is a bit too self referential, and self aware imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklistedd 599 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 I think ARTPOP is her weakest album because in her career she tries to balance being eccentric with being incredibly commercial and always dumbs herself down to appeal to her main consumers instead of being as boldly and creatively odd as she could/should be. When she makes an album that centers itself on the concept of fusing "art" and "pop" when she struggles to do that always made it impossible to veil her shortcomings under her usual over-conceptualizations because the whole premise was that she was going to fuse those two things seamlessly. Thus why the album garnered mixed reception. She couldnt convince people to look the opposite direction of her shortcomings this time and the critics definitely made that known. That being said, even with its underwhelming conceptual execution, it still has some typical Gaga pop infectiousness that ultimately shouldn't be much of a problem for anyone. At least not people that consume songs by her contemporaries. So on one hand even though she sort of failed conceptually, people also are incredibly cynical when it comes to Lady Gaga and tear her down before she even opens her mouth. So its kind of like they were waiting with daggers to pounce her on release as it was and then what she released was fine but not good enough and wasnt executed conceptually well. So the gashes went kinda deep. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quark 7,098 Posted July 18, 2014 Author Share Posted July 18, 2014 nah, ppl just don't like her anymore. the music is still great, if not greater Yeah, but there must be a reason why many people stopped liking her. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RegiRey 443 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Please sis, you need to stop with the Gaga underperforming thing Why can't we just accept ARTPOP as an artistic, amazing music album this. tbh......ARTPOP slayed us because we understand her....allothers(GP) can stay pressed..... buy Bionic on iTunes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklistedd 599 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 I think ARTPOP as it back in 2012 with Garibay was amazing, but she second-guessed herself to death leading us to get 2013's ARTPOP. She worries her work to death. THE FAME and BTW felt effortless, while ARTPOP reeks of her trying to regain that sense of effortlessness. born this way was anything but effortless my god. do not repeat that statement. that album was the start of her truly being overwrought except in that case she over glorified herself and in this case she over-worried herself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryhanna 3,507 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Only GUY, because I don't think the song is that good. Applause and DWUW are great songs and great singles and I don't think quality was an issue there. Other than GUY I think the only issues were in planning and execution… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VFD 57 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 While I feel that Born This Way is a better album, ARTPOP is still a great pop record and much easier to digest than the previous one. I just think that given the circumstances simply weren't the ideal (behind-the-scenes difficulties, second single switch, and even the restricted VMA Applause performance). However, I think it's safe to assume that she was the one responsible for holding back the DWUW video, which was the point where the era's momentum fell of. While I respect her decision (or at least give her the benefit of doubt), it's undeniable that it was an important factor to the overall under-performance of the album on the charts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClapDown 0 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 ARTPOP was a really pretentious concept to begin with, tbh. A lot of people were rubbed the wrong way to begin with by her saying that she would single-handedly bring art into pop music, which seemed to discredit the work of a lot of musicians before her. Add that to the fact that she massively overhyped it and she really created the perfect storm even before it came out. The knives were already out before it was released. And honestly, ARTPOP isn't nearly as artistic as she said it was going to be. It's full of fun, occasionally adventurous songs but it's much more of a party album than a deep, soulful work. The visual output was also really poor - it started out promising with Marina and Koons but ended up with seashell bikinis and oversized Mona Lisa t-shirts. Add in the lack of a video for DWUW and messy promotional strategy and you have a fundamentally botched era. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklistedd 599 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Only GUY, because I don't think the song is that good. Applause and DWUW are great songs and great singles and I don't think quality was an issue there. Other than GUY I think the only issues were in planning and execution… I don't think GUYS quality is lacking either though. I can understand maybe some people thinking its whatever, but considering whats on the radio these days I think otherwise the song would've done pretty well on both the charts and radio. The thing is people just don't want to consume her, some outright refuse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rivingtonrebels 245 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 I think ARTPOP is her weakest album because in her career she tries to balance being eccentric with being incredibly commercial and always dumbs herself down to appeal to her main consumers instead of being as boldly and creatively odd as she could/should be. I agree with this. Born this way was much weirder than ARTPOP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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