mdani 0 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Some people like Madonna, some people don't. There aren't (and probably never will be) enough facts and statistics to convince some members here into thinking that Madonna is great. And that's fine, everyone doesn't need to share the same opinion. But at this point, the conversation isn't really going anywhere. It's turning into a Madonna bashing thread. I mean, I'm not a big fan of Madonna either but... this isn't even really about her Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropico 4,145 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Whats interesting here? talking about this tweet =/= talking about Madonna's undeniable commercial success. Its not secret that I'm a big Madonna fan, if you're going to try to dismiss her by calling her commercial success out then I might as well prove you wrong. What's interesting is you were talking about looking at it from another view, right? Yet you fail to look at Madonna's success from a different point of view? Or is it just because it's okay to look at the more negative side when it's Gaga but when it's Madonna... NOPE. She didn't at all use the scandal to her advantage. She didn't at all wanna raise public interest with a scandal. NO WAY! Madonna is the perfect saint God has blessed us all with, right? (This is me trying to look at it from your point of view) And I'm not trying to put down Madonna's success... I'm just looking at it from another point of view like you preached earlier on. And also you were preaching about Gaga preaching "#POK" and how she was a hypocrite for apparently not doing so. Yet, you don't look at it (it being MDNA era) from a different point of view? Hmmm... :usrs: ♢ Social Justice Enthusiast ♢ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjang 2,262 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) What's interesting is you were talking about looking at it from another view, right? Yet you fail to look at Madonna's success from a different point of view? Or is it just because it's okay to look at the more negative side when it's Gaga but when it's Madonna... NOPE. She didn't at all use the scandal to her advantage. She didn't at all wanna raise public interest with a scandal. NO WAY! Madonna is the perfect saint God has blessed us all with, right? (This is me trying to look at it from your point of view) And I'm not trying to put down Madonna's success... I'm just looking at it from another point of view like you preached earlier on. And also you were preaching about Gaga preaching "#POK" and how she was a hypocrite for apparently not doing so. Yet, you don't look at it (it being MDNA era) from a different point of view? Hmmm... I'm not speaking from any point of view, I'm anything but biased in this discussion, its just the obvious truth that you're denying. Saying Gaga's responsible for Madonna's success is a statement (a false one too), not an opinion. Its funny how you guys feel obligated to turn this into a personal attack, its sad actually. Edited July 17, 2014 by Jjang Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laceface 2,964 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Yes, Stefani drag ha! woohoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmm 979 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 I already seen that video many times because that is the same video Madonna fans post to prove she can dance. I am more impressed by her athletics then her artistic merit. each to their own. Well we could find other videos too, but that would just take even longer. Is dancing however not arguably both an athletic and artistic talent? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropico 4,145 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 you really think Madonna bring those tour numbers only because of Gaga ? the GP didn't even know about it lol the advert didn't said ''come to see Madonna with a special part of Gaga's music'' lol Oh wow. I never said she managed to rack those tour numbers from the scandal but she managed to cause a scandal which raised interest for her album, which indirectly raised interest for the tour. And also the GP aren't entirely blind you know? Media goes crazy about this type of stuff and GP watches/reads the media. ♢ Social Justice Enthusiast ♢ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusicLover83 101 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Yup I know. She is a talented business woman that collaborates with younger stars to get her money. But that money is not going to buy her real love from man. Are you serious?! Madonna always has collaborators like every artist (including gaga) but that does not mean she rides their coat tails. All the ideas and lyrics are from her. If you think all she does is pull a britney spears then you are seriously misguided. Madonna has always had more creative input then the average artist. (By the way I love gaga too, so I don't want people saying I am a hater, I am just defending Madonna.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houdini 103 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Are you serious?! Madonna always has collaborators like every artist (including gaga) but that does not mean she rides their coat tails. All the ideas and lyrics are from her. If you think all she does is pull a britney spears then you are seriously misguided. Madonna has always had more creative input then the average artist. (By the way I love gaga too, so I don't want people saying I am a hater, I am just defending Madonna.) exactly. people here don't give any credit for Madonna. she's as much involved in her album than Gaga. Madonna is credited as guitar player in all her album since Music. every producers who worked with her told that she's one of the most involved artist they hand ever saw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmm 979 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) Are you serious?! Madonna always has collaborators like every artist (including gaga) but that does not mean she rides their coat tails. All the ideas and lyrics are from her. If you think all she does is pull a britney spears then you are seriously misguided. Madonna has always had more creative input then the average artist. (By the way I love gaga too, so I don't want people saying I am a hater, I am just defending Madonna.) +1, If I remember correctly, Madonna has more solo writing credits on her first album alone than Gaga has in total. (I know there's the argument that Gaga is generous with her credits, but that's not likely when it's her record label's money) Edited July 17, 2014 by hmm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GagaSlayedYou 2 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Drag ha to filth, Goddess of Love, slay. And talking about Madonna, you can just compare Gaga with her, because the first has been on the business for more than 20 years, meanwhile Gaga has been working less than a decade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropico 4,145 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 I'm not speaking from any point of view, I'm anything but biased in this discussion, its just the obvious truth that you're denying. Saying Gaga's responsible for Madonna's success is a statement (a false one too), not an opinion. Its funny how you guys feel obligated to turn this into a personal attack, its sad actually. A personal attack to who exactly? The first to bring up Madonna was "one of you guys". And it is indeed bias. And again... (Just in case you missed it the first few times ) Gaga isn't entirely responsible for Madonna's success but the controversy Madonna cuased raised interest in her projects (tour + album) which = success. So it wasn't souly Gaga but Gaga was a sorta indirect reason for success. And if you weren't bias you'd look at it from a negative (directed to Madonna) and a positive way. Kinda like a pros and cons list. But you only seem to think that Madonna got all that interest by herself. ♢ Social Justice Enthusiast ♢ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Damnit! Mods close this mess. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addy Ezzie 2 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 OMG the slayage Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropico 4,145 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Why would Madonna use Gaga when she's making a lot more money than her, though And Madonna has the record for the most successful female tour of all time with the Sticky & Sweet tour, again, she doesn't need to rely on Gaga for success, I think its you who needs to change his beliefs. Well of course Madonna holds a record because she's been in the business for so long she managed to be seen as a "legend". And Madonna obviously wasn't as interesting as she was in her old days in 2012. So she needed to get interest which leads to success. And Gaga was the source of interest. It's not me. Sorrynotsorry. ;) ♢ Social Justice Enthusiast ♢ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjang 2,262 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 A personal attack to who exactly? The first to bring up Madonna was "one of you guys". And it is indeed bias. And again... (Just in case you missed it the first few times ) Gaga isn't entirely responsible for Madonna's success but the controversy Madonna cuased raised interest in her projects (tour + album) which = success. So it wasn't souly Gaga but Gaga was a sorta indirect reason for success. And if you weren't bias you'd look at it from a negative (directed to Madonna) and a positive way. Kinda like a pros and cons list. But you only seem to think that Madonna got all that interest by herself. *The whole Madonna - Gaga feud was never really a thing outside the fans world, though. *I'm still unbiased by saying this ; Gaga had zero impact on the MDNA tour's success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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