Israel - Palestine Conflict Discussion Thread

[lucia4 0]

Instead of telling me "look it up" give it to me. Because Israel doesn't have this kind of parties. Terror in Israel is illegal.

Hamas can't control/destroy our electricity power and internet networks, they are too weak.. Everybody has internet and electricity in Israel :)

 

Thank God

[Noam Zioni 1,201]

Yes we are emotionless while you and others fully support Israel in doing this:

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This is what you all fully support. Where are your emotions for brutally killed 540 kids and all together over 2000 civilians? Where are your emotions and words of condemnation? No where.

Just parroting "Israel has the right to deffend itself" with no any concern about the harm they're inflicting upon Palestinian people. It's almost as if, they are not even humans!

Israel does have the right to defend itself. The fact that the Hamas uses people as human shields is very bad, and there's a video that I posted, that shows the IDF wants to attack a terror target, but they stopped the attack because there were children nearby the terror target. The Gazans aren't human for the Hamas, the Hamas doesn't care about anyone but themselves.

[lego 44,165]

Reductive answer :reductive:

And I do NOT support hamas, I support the people of Gaza. oh and many of the Israeli parties are not very different from hamas.....look it up!

Let them be reminded

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3667392,00.html

[darkwolf 590]

Instead of telling me "look it up" give it to me. Because Israel doesn't have this kind of parties. Terror in Israel is illegal.

Hamas can't control/destroy our electricity power and internet networks, they are too weak.. Everybody has internet and electricity in Israel :)

you should consider reading about some of Israel's biggest political parties past (and even present).

[lego 44,165]

Israel does have the right to defend itself. The fact that the Hamas uses people as human shields is very bad, and there's a video that I posted, that shows the IDF wants to attack a terror target, but they stopped the attack because there were children nearby the terror target. The Gazans aren't human for the Hamas, the Hamas doesn't care about anyone but themselves.

Again ZERO emotions for Gaza victims from you, as expected. And keep telling us about human shields when IDF headquarters is in center of Tel Aviv. You are all human shields of your own army.

[Noam Zioni 1,201]

Oh look who's back. Maybe you want to help Noam explain why his army is killing children in West Bank where there is no Hamas.

And don't forget about 13 year old girl shot 17 times by israeli commander, who walked free. Please tell us more how they're only targeting terrorists.

Maybe you would like to explain why the Hamas is getting into Israel in propose to kill citizens because they're not Muslims, and Hamas' terrorists bomb themselves in public places to kill Israeli citizens because they're not Muslims

Again ZERO emotions for Gaza victims from you, as expected. And keep telling us about human shields when IDF headquarters is in center of Tel Aviv. You are all human shields of your own army.

We are not hiding ammunition under hospitals, schools, homes etc. how are we human shields?

[Noam Zioni 1,201]

Let them be reminded

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3667392,00.html

Now you're saying that the tunnels are for food??? Whatttttt lolllllllll most stupid thing I have ever heard. Are you really that blind? I'm surprised, I didn't expect even from you to be so blind! The tunnels are terror tunnels!

And comparing the Jewish Ghetto to Gaza so emotionless! You are really wrong if you compare the Jewish Ghetto to Gaza. Gaza isn't even a Ghetto.

you should consider reading about some of Israel's biggest political parties past (and even present).

Terror is illegal. How do you think that there's a terror party in Israel that is so delusional. show what you mean.

[lego 44,165]

Maybe you would like to explain why the Hamas is getting into Israel in propose to kill citizens because they're not Muslims, and Hamas' terrorists bomb themselves in public places to kill Israeli citizens because they're not Muslims

We are not hiding thins under hospitals, schools, homes etc. how are we human shields?

It's not because you are non-muslims, as they have many Christians living in Palestine. It's because you are opressors and you keep them under blockade and keep shooting at their fishermen and counting their calories and you close all borders so sick and injured cannot get any treatment abroad.

They didn't do suicide bombings for ages.

If you know your history, Jews were digging tunnels in Warsaw Ghetto; Zionist terrorist group Haganah was storing weapons in synagogues and even shooting from synagogues' narrow windows at the British; present day- your main military headquarters is in center of urban area, if Gaza had military like yours, it would be first to get bombed, making you all around as human shields.

[lego 44,165]

Now you're saying that the tunnels are for food??? Whatttttt lolllllllll most stupid thing I have ever heard. Are you really that blind? I'm surprised, I didn't expect even from you to be so blind! The tunnels are terror tunnels!

And comparing the Jewish Ghetto to Gaza so emotionless! You are really wrong if you compare the Jewish Ghetto to Gaza. Gaza isn't even a Ghetto.

Terror is illegal. How do you think that there's a terror party in Israel that is so delusional. show what you mean.

Yes they are also for food, what is so funny? You are keeping them on a diet.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/oct/17/israeli-military-calorie-limit-gaza

And again, emotionless? What?

THE WARSAW GHETTO WAS THE LARGEST OF ALL THE JEWISH GHETTOS IN NAZI-OCCUPIED EUROPE DURING WORLD WAR II. The Gaza Strip is the largest Palestinian ghetto in the Middle East and among the most densely populated parts of the world.

THE GERMANS CLOSED THE WARSAW GHETTO TO THE OUTSIDE WORLD IN 1940. Israel disengaged from Gaza in 2005, but maintains exclusive control of Gaza’s airspace and territorial waters. It controls the movement of people and goods in or out of Gaza. As a result, the European Union and Human Rights Watch as well as agencies of the United Nations consider Gaza to remain occupied by Israel.

UNEMPLOYMENT WAS A MAJOR PROBLEM IN THE WARSAW GHETTO, AND OVER 100,000 RESIDENTS OF THE GHETTO DIED DUE TO DISEASE OR STARVATION. The Israeli and Egyptian blockade of Gaza has devastated the economy and caused a shortage of basic medicines and medical equipment. In 2010, British Prime Minister David Cameron said that “humanitarian goods and people must flow in both directions. Gaza cannot and must not be allowed to remain a prison camp.â€

Of course, comparisons are never fully dispositive. The death toll among the Jewish inhabitants of the Ghetto as a result of deportations to concentration camps and the razing of the Ghetto was more than 300,000. The Ghetto itself was almost entirely leveled during the uprising in 1943, when the Germans systematically burned and blew up the ghetto buildings, block by block, rounding up or murdering anybody they could capture.

Nevertheless, the relentless and repetitively compulsive Israeli attacks over the past decade suggest that the Israelis are making innocent Palestinians pay for the savagery of the Germans 70 years ago. Israeli crimes against the Palestinians, in fact, began in 1948 with the “Nakba,†the “catastrophe,†when hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were forced from their homes during

the Arab-Israeli War. As a result, The Palestinians are the only refugees in the world that have been given hereditary refugee status.

The Israeli massacre in Shejalya, with Palestinian children carrying white flags and running for their lives from Israeli tanks and artillery, is reminiscent of the massacre in Warsaw. According to a Norwegian doctor trying to provide medical assistance in Gaza, “Israeli impunity is a huge medical problem. Every single dead child and adult, and all the injuries, all the amputations, are one hundred percent preventable. This is a man-made disaster that is cynically planned and brutally executed by the government of Israel.â€

There are two compelling factors that stand out in any examination of the crisis in Gaza: the persistent intransigence of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and the Israeli unwillingness to pursue a diplomatic and political solution to the Palestinian tragedy. Like a long line of Israeli politicians, Netanyahu favors total humiliation of the Palestinian people. He also is willing to humiliate and embarrass the only nation in the world that is willing to support Israeli with military and economic assistance–the United States. Netanyahu has ignored U.S. calls for a halt to the illegal building of settlements on occupied territory, and Israel has even timed the announcement of new settlements to the presence in Israel of high-ranking U.S. officials, including Vice President Joe Biden.

Netanyahu has always opposed the so-called peace process, and takes particular credit for destroying the Oslo process. In 1997, during his first term as Israeli leader, he insisted he would only continue with the talks if a clause was added saying Israel would not have to withdraw from undefined “military locationsâ€. According to Gideon Levy, an Israeli who has published “The Punishment of Gaza,†Netanyahu was caught on tape boasting: “Why is that important? Because from that moment on I stopped the Oslo accords.â€

Former Israeli Foreign Minister Abba Eban once said that the Palestinians “never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.†Now the same can be said for the Israelis.

Prime Minister Netanyahu has repeatedly embarrassed Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, who is dedicated to a peaceful solution to the crisis. President Abbas offered Netanyahu one more opportunity in April, when he created a Palestinian “national consensus†government with Hamas. The Palestinian authority and President Abbas set the terms for the new government, which included a Palestinian pledge to nonviolence, adherence to past agreements, and even recognition of Israel.

These terms were designed not only to appeal to Israel but to meet the demands of the United States and its European allies. According to Nathan Thrall, a senior a--lyst at the International Crisis Group covering Gaza, Israel, Jordan and the West Bank, Israel opposed U.S. recognition of the new government and sought to isolate the Palestinians internationally.

President Netanyahu is now using overwhelming military force to terrorize a civilian community in order to return to the status quo ante that limits Gaza’s use of electricity, forces sewage to be dumped in the sea, makes sure that water remains undrinkable, and ensures fuel shortages that cause sanitation plants to be shut down. He thus ensures the perpetuation of desperation among those forced to live in these conditions. Such desperation would lead any human being to believe that violent resistance is the only recourse.

Perhaps the comparison with the Warsaw Ghetto is not completely far-fetched after all.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/07/23/gaza-and-the-warsaw-ghetto/

[Noam Zioni 1,201]

It's not because you are non-muslims, as they have many Christians living in Palestine. It's because you are opressors and you keep them under blockade and keep shooting at their fishermen and counting their calories and you close all borders so sick and injured cannot get any treatment abroad.

They didn't do suicide bombings for ages.

If you know your history, Jews were digging tunnels in Warsaw Ghetto; Zionist terrorist group Haganah was storing weapons in synagogues and even shooting from synagogues' narrow windows at the British; present day- your main military headquarters is in center of urban area, if Gaza had military like yours, it would be first to get bombed, making you all around as human shields.

So many lies in one post..

Christians in Gaza? This is a lie.

Counting calories? Repeating the same lie for a week already.

We give sick and injured Gazans medical treatment, so how can you say we block them from getting it this is another lie from you.

They didn't do suits code bombing for ages? less than one month ago, a terrorist drove in a tractor on the sidewalk killing and injuring people.

Let's talk about what Israel is and not Hagna. If you're taking things that are from 70 years ago, it probably means you are a try-hard.

The Hamas uses human shields that way:

They put children near ammunition, as they hid ammunition under kindergardens and schools, because they know that the IDF is good, and they won't bomb children in purpose, so they put children and adults nearby their ammunition. The thing that we have in Tel-Aviv won't be the first thing to be bombed. And don't say "if the Hamas has.." The Hamas doesn't have enough power, so we know they won't bomb it, so we don't use human as human shields.

Instead of saying "what if", say what is happening now, don't make up stupid theories.

[Noam Zioni 1,201]

Yes they are also for food, what is so funny? You are keeping them on a diet.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/oct/17/israeli-military-calorie-limit-gaza

And again, emotionless? What?

THE WARSAW GHETTO WAS THE LARGEST OF ALL THE JEWISH GHETTOS IN NAZI-OCCUPIED EUROPE DURING WORLD WAR II. The Gaza Strip is the largest Palestinian ghetto in the Middle East and among the most densely populated parts of the world.

THE GERMANS CLOSED THE WARSAW GHETTO TO THE OUTSIDE WORLD IN 1940. Israel disengaged from Gaza in 2005, but maintains exclusive control of Gaza’s airspace and territorial waters. It controls the movement of people and goods in or out of Gaza. As a result, the European Union and Human Rights Watch as well as agencies of the United Nations consider Gaza to remain occupied by Israel.

UNEMPLOYMENT WAS A MAJOR PROBLEM IN THE WARSAW GHETTO, AND OVER 100,000 RESIDENTS OF THE GHETTO DIED DUE TO DISEASE OR STARVATION. The Israeli and Egyptian blockade of Gaza has devastated the economy and caused a shortage of basic medicines and medical equipment. In 2010, British Prime Minister David Cameron said that “humanitarian goods and people must flow in both directions. Gaza cannot and must not be allowed to remain a prison camp.â€

Of course, comparisons are never fully dispositive. The death toll among the Jewish inhabitants of the Ghetto as a result of deportations to concentration camps and the razing of the Ghetto was more than 300,000. The Ghetto itself was almost entirely leveled during the uprising in 1943, when the Germans systematically burned and blew up the ghetto buildings, block by block, rounding up or murdering anybody they could capture.

Nevertheless, the relentless and repetitively compulsive Israeli attacks over the past decade suggest that the Israelis are making innocent Palestinians pay for the savagery of the Germans 70 years ago. Israeli crimes against the Palestinians, in fact, began in 1948 with the “Nakba,†the “catastrophe,†when hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were forced from their homes during

the Arab-Israeli War. As a result, The Palestinians are the only refugees in the world that have been given hereditary refugee status.

The Israeli massacre in Shejalya, with Palestinian children carrying white flags and running for their lives from Israeli tanks and artillery, is reminiscent of the massacre in Warsaw. According to a Norwegian doctor trying to provide medical assistance in Gaza, “Israeli impunity is a huge medical problem. Every single dead child and adult, and all the injuries, all the amputations, are one hundred percent preventable. This is a man-made disaster that is cynically planned and brutally executed by the government of Israel.â€

There are two compelling factors that stand out in any examination of the crisis in Gaza: the persistent intransigence of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and the Israeli unwillingness to pursue a diplomatic and political solution to the Palestinian tragedy. Like a long line of Israeli politicians, Netanyahu favors total humiliation of the Palestinian people. He also is willing to humiliate and embarrass the only nation in the world that is willing to support Israeli with military and economic assistance–the United States. Netanyahu has ignored U.S. calls for a halt to the illegal building of settlements on occupied territory, and Israel has even timed the announcement of new settlements to the presence in Israel of high-ranking U.S. officials, including Vice President Joe Biden.

Netanyahu has always opposed the so-called peace process, and takes particular credit for destroying the Oslo process. In 1997, during his first term as Israeli leader, he insisted he would only continue with the talks if a clause was added saying Israel would not have to withdraw from undefined “military locationsâ€. According to Gideon Levy, an Israeli who has published “The Punishment of Gaza,†Netanyahu was caught on tape boasting: “Why is that important? Because from that moment on I stopped the Oslo accords.â€

Former Israeli Foreign Minister Abba Eban once said that the Palestinians “never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.†Now the same can be said for the Israelis.

Prime Minister Netanyahu has repeatedly embarrassed Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, who is dedicated to a peaceful solution to the crisis. President Abbas offered Netanyahu one more opportunity in April, when he created a Palestinian “national consensus†government with Hamas. The Palestinian authority and President Abbas set the terms for the new government, which included a Palestinian pledge to nonviolence, adherence to past agreements, and even recognition of Israel.

These terms were designed not only to appeal to Israel but to meet the demands of the United States and its European allies. According to Nathan Thrall, a senior a--lyst at the International Crisis Group covering Gaza, Israel, Jordan and the West Bank, Israel opposed U.S. recognition of the new government and sought to isolate the Palestinians internationally.

President Netanyahu is now using overwhelming military force to terrorize a civilian community in order to return to the status quo ante that limits Gaza’s use of electricity, forces sewage to be dumped in the sea, makes sure that water remains undrinkable, and ensures fuel shortages that cause sanitation plants to be shut down. He thus ensures the perpetuation of desperation among those forced to live in these conditions. Such desperation would lead any human being to believe that violent resistance is the only recourse.

Perhaps the comparison with the Warsaw Ghetto is not completely far-fetched after all.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/07/23/gaza-and-the-warsaw-ghetto/

Comparing to holocaust to Gaza is sick.

Gaza isn't even a ghetto. The "keeping them on diet" thing is a complete lie.

The Ghettos were made because of racist motives.

You are very sad if you compare the holocaust to this

And the tunnels are ONLY for terror, stop denying the truth.

[lego 44,165]

So many lies in one post..

Christians in Gaza? This is a lie.

Counting calories? Repeating the same lie for a week already.

We give sick and injured Gazans medical treatment, so how can you say we block them from getting it this is another lie from you.

They didn't do suits code bombing for ages? less than one month ago, a terrorist drove in a tractor on the sidewalk killing and injuring people.

Let's talk about what Israel is and not Hagna. If you're taking things that are from 70 years ago, it probably means you are a try-hard.

The Hamas uses human shields that way:

They put children near ammunition, as they hid ammunition under kindergardens and schools, because they know that the IDF is good, and they won't bomb children in purpose, so they put children and adults nearby their ammunition. The thing that we have in Tel-Aviv won't be the first thing to be bombed. And don't say "if the Hamas has.." The Hamas doesn't have enough power, so we know they won't bomb it, so we don't use human as human shields.

Instead of saying "what if", say what is happening now, don't make up stupid theories.

 

 

 

Christians in Gaza lie?   

 

Israel-Gaza conflict: Greek Orthodox church of St Porphyrios becomes a small refuge in the heart of Gaza’s bloodletting

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israelgaza-conflict-greek-orthodox-church-of-st-porphyrios-becomes-a-small-refuge-in-the-heart-of-gazas-bloodletting-9631777.html

 

Gaza churches open doors to refugees from Israel offensive

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/10986779/Gaza-churches-open-doors-to-refugees-from-Israel-offensive.html

 

Israeli Bombardment Partially Destroys Catholic School With Disabled Children in Gaza; Parish Priest Condemns 'Absurd War'

http://www.christianpost.com/news/israeli-bombardment-partially-destroys-catholic-school-with-disabled-children-in-gaza-parish-priest-condemns-absurd-war-124055/

 

 

 

"The Christians in the West bank and the Gaza strip are not part of the fighting. We are not fighting on the side of Hamas. We are not fighting on the side of Israel. Most Christians are very, very neutral. We know in our hearts, we side with our Palestinian brothers and sisters, even the Muslims, because we know they are the ones under occupation, they are the ones who are under oppression, and we see that because it is very obvious for people who live here who is actually violating the other human rights," said Awad.

"We are part and parcel of the rest of the Palestinian people. We believe in Jesus Christ. We are still Palestinian Arabs. We speak the Arabic language. We consider ourselves Palestinian," he added.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/palestinian-christian-western-christians-dont-understand-gaza-israeli-conflict-123272/

 

 

Counting calories is not a lie, there are documents about it. Try to refute it.

 

Israel used 'calorie count' to limit Gaza food during blockade, critics claim

Defence ministry files on 'avoiding' civilian malnutrition are proof Israel used food restrictions to hit Hamas, says Palestine group

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/oct/17/israeli-military-calorie-limit-gaza

 

2,279 calories per person: How Israel made sure Gaza didn't starve

State forced to release 'red lines' document for food consumption in the coastal Strip following legal battle; official: state has right to determine who it assists.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/2-279-calories-per-person-how-israel-made-sure-gaza-didn-t-starve.premium-1.470419

 

Document on Calorie Figures in Gaza Blockade Stirs Dispute

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/18/world/middleeast/israel-counted-calories-needed-for-gazans-in-blockade.html?_r=0

 

Document: Israel calculated calorie needs for embargoed Gazans

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/10/17/world/meast/israel-calorie-count-gaza/

 

 

You give few people aid and put it on camera as part of your propaganda machine. That is not help, stop bombing them and open their borders so they can get help from abroad.

 

 

What happened in past IS important as the Jews used same or similar tactics against their aggressors but now they're accusing Palestinians for the same thing. Hypocrisy. :roll:

Comparing to holocaust to Gaza is sick.

Gaza isn't even a ghetto. The "keeping them on diet" thing is a complete lie.

The Ghettos were made because of racist motives.

You are very sad if you compare the holocaust to this

And the tunnels are ONLY for terror, stop denying the truth.

 

 

I already proved the bolded part. Stop denying.

 

And tell that to the writer of the article, I see similarities anyway. 

[Noam Zioni 1,201]

Christians in Gaza lie?

Israel-Gaza conflict: Greek Orthodox church of St Porphyrios becomes a small refuge in the heart of Gaza’s bloodletting

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israelgaza-conflict-greek-orthodox-church-of-st-porphyrios-becomes-a-small-refuge-in-the-heart-of-gazas-bloodletting-9631777.html

Gaza churches open doors to refugees from Israel offensive

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/10986779/Gaza-churches-open-doors-to-refugees-from-Israel-offensive.html

Israeli Bombardment Partially Destroys Catholic School With Disabled Children in Gaza; Parish Priest Condemns 'Absurd War'

http://www.christianpost.com/news/israeli-bombardment-partially-destroys-catholic-school-with-disabled-children-in-gaza-parish-priest-condemns-absurd-war-124055/

http://www.christianpost.com/news/palestinian-christian-western-christians-dont-understand-gaza-israeli-conflict-123272/

Counting calories is not a lie, there are documents about it. Try to refute it.

Israel used 'calorie count' to limit Gaza food during blockade, critics claim

Defence ministry files on 'avoiding' civilian malnutrition are proof Israel used food restrictions to hit Hamas, says Palestine group

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/oct/17/israeli-military-calorie-limit-gaza

2,279 calories per person: How Israel made sure Gaza didn't starve

State forced to release 'red lines' document for food consumption in the coastal Strip following legal battle; official: state has right to determine who it assists.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/2-279-calories-per-person-how-israel-made-sure-gaza-didn-t-starve.premium-1.470419

Document on Calorie Figures in Gaza Blockade Stirs Dispute

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/18/world/middleeast/israel-counted-calories-needed-for-gazans-in-blockade.html?_r=0

Document: Israel calculated calorie needs for embargoed Gazans

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/10/17/world/meast/israel-calorie-count-gaza/

You give few people aid and put it on camera as part of your propaganda machine. That is not help, stop bombing them and open their borders so they can get help from abroad.

What happened in past IS important as the Jews used same or similar tactics against their aggressors but now they're accusing Palestinians for the same thing. Hypocrisy. :roll:

I already proved the bolded part. Stop denying.

And tell that to the writer of the article, I see similarities anyway.

Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies... Tell me tell me lies...

Hypocrisy, is doing the thing AFTER you said you won't do it. Educate yourself.

And Israel is not responsible for what the Hagana did..

They don't need help, because we give them help all the time. You denying that, and it's fine, you don't have to believe the truth, you can live your life blindly.

If we will open the borders, you know they won't give them food. They will give them ammunition and weapons. You are so innocent.

Remember the Marmara?

[darkwolf 590]

So many lies in one post..

Christians in Gaza? This is a lie.

Counting calories? Repeating the same lie for a week already.

We give sick and injured Gazans medical treatment, so how can you say we block them from getting it this is another lie from you.

How many? I didn't see many Israeli ambulances in Gaza? Does Israel also offers psycological support for the hundreds of thousands of children who suffer from PTSD?

Or maybe you're talking about that one or two cases that Israel helps so that they put that in the news and use it as propaganda.

[lego 44,165]

Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies... Tell me tell me lies...

Hypocrisy, is doing the thing AFTER you said you won't do it. Educate yourself.

And Israel is not responsible for what the Hagana did..

They don't need help, because we give them help all the time. You denying that, and it's fine, you don't have to believe the truth, you can live your life blindly.

If we will open the borders, you know they won't give them food. They will give them ammunition and weapons. You are so innocent.

Remember the Marmara?

 

I will get back on the rest, but where is your apology for denying existence of Christians in Palestine?