lego 44,165 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Oh, ok :) the Dome of the Rock is Masjid Al Aksa :) Idk about other holly places for the Muslims in Israel.. And if you're talking about the whole land of "Palestine", you need to call it Israel, because that is what it is, and not Palestine.. No they are not the same. Educate yourself. Al-Masjid al-Aqsa (in Jerusalem) was the first of the two qiblahs, and is one of the three mosques to which people may travel for the purpose of worship. And it was said that it was built by Sulaymaan (peace be upon him), as stated in Sunan al-Nasaa’i (693) and classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Nasaa’i. And it was said that it existed before Sulaymaan (peace be upon him) and that Sulaymaan rebuilt it; ... The Dome of the Rock was built by the caliph ‘Abd al-Malik ibn Marwaan in 72 AH. It says in al-Mawsoo’ah al-Filasteeniyyah (4/203): “The name al-Masjid al-Aqsa was historically applied to the entire sanctuary (al-Haram al-Shareef) and the buildings in it, the most important of which is the Dome of the Rock which was built by ‘Abd al-Malik ibn Marwaan in 72 AH/691 CE, which is regarded as one of the greatest Islamic historical buildings. But today the name is applied to the great mosque which is situated in the southern part of the sanctuary plateau.†It also says in al-Mawsoo’ah (3/23): “The Dome of the Rock is situated in the middle of the plateau of al-Masjid al-Aqsa, which is in the southeastern part of the city of al-Quds (Jerusalem). It is a spacious rectangular plateau which measures 480 meters from north to south, and 300 meters from east to west. This plateau occupies approximately one-fifth of the area of the Old City of Jerusalem. The mosque which is the place of prayer is not the Dome of the Rock, but because pictures of the Dome are so widespread, many Muslims think when they see it that this is the mosque. This is not in fact the case. The Mosque is situated in the southern portion of the plateau, and the Dome is built on the raised rock that is situated in the middle of the plateau. We have already seen above that the name of the mosque was historically applied to the whole plateau. http://islamqa.info/en/20903 FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf 590 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 No they are not the same. Educate yourself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucia4 0 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Oh, ok :) the Dome of the Rock is Masjid Al Aksa :) Idk about other holly places for the Muslims in Israel.. And if you're talking about the whole land of "Palestine", you need to call it Israel, because that is what it is, and not Palestine.. Is there a neutral term to describe the entire area without favoring one side? xD Israel then~. :) No they are not the same. Educate yourself. Al-Masjid al-Aqsa (in Jerusalem) was the first of the two qiblahs, and is one of the three mosques to which people may travel for the purpose of worship. And it was said that it was built by Sulaymaan (peace be upon him), as stated in Sunan al-Nasaa’i (693) and classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Nasaa’i. And it was said that it existed before Sulaymaan (peace be upon him) and that Sulaymaan rebuilt it; ... The Dome of the Rock was built by the caliph ‘Abd al-Malik ibn Marwaan in 72 AH. It says in al-Mawsoo’ah al-Filasteeniyyah (4/203): “The name al-Masjid al-Aqsa was historically applied to the entire sanctuary (al-Haram al-Shareef) and the buildings in it, the most important of which is the Dome of the Rock which was built by ‘Abd al-Malik ibn Marwaan in 72 AH/691 CE, which is regarded as one of the greatest Islamic historical buildings. But today the name is applied to the great mosque which is situated in the southern part of the sanctuary plateau.†It also says in al-Mawsoo’ah (3/23): “The Dome of the Rock is situated in the middle of the plateau of al-Masjid al-Aqsa, which is in the southeastern part of the city of al-Quds (Jerusalem). It is a spacious rectangular plateau which measures 480 meters from north to south, and 300 meters from east to west. This plateau occupies approximately one-fifth of the area of the Old City of Jerusalem. The mosque which is the place of prayer is not the Dome of the Rock, but because pictures of the Dome are so widespread, many Muslims think when they see it that this is the mosque. This is not in fact the case. The Mosque is situated in the southern portion of the plateau, and the Dome is built on the raised rock that is situated in the middle of the plateau. We have already seen above that the name of the mosque was historically applied to the whole plateau. http://islamqa.info/en/20903 To be fair they are really close to each other. Isn't religion a big part of the conflict, tho? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noam Zioni 1,201 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Is there a neutral term to describe the entire area without favoring one side? xD Israel then~. :) To be fair they are really close to each other. Isn't religion a big part of the conflict, tho? This.. They are one place... :) And Israel is accepted in both sides.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucia4 0 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 This.. They are one place... :) And Israel is accepted in both sides.. Israel then. <3 ^^ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Is there a neutral term to describe the entire area without favoring one side? xD Israel then~. :) To be fair they are really close to each other. Isn't religion a big part of the conflict, tho? They are close, but they are not the same. Holy mosque is Masjid Al-Aqsa not the golden dome/dome of the rock, they are also built in different times. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noam Zioni 1,201 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Ooh, do I see an immature and a childish comment? Yes, I do.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf 590 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Ooh, do I see an immature and a childish comment? Yes, I do.. What? I didn't even quote you :) did you recognize a pattern? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noam Zioni 1,201 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 What? I didn't even quote you :) did you recognize a pattern? Another childish comment.. As if you don't know he mentioned me. Do not underestimate the intelligence of the users here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf 590 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Israel then. <3 ^^ Call it whatever you like tbh! Express yourself on't repress yourself :) There are lots of sources that back up the fact that the region is called Palestine, both Old (ancient Greek) and new, books from centuries ago....etc. I can't say the same about Israel :roll: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noam Zioni 1,201 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Well, everybody calls Israel "Israel", and you can find it in the Torah and all over the internet and some other informational literatures.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf 590 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Well, everybody calls Israel "Israel", and you can find it in the Torah and all over the internet and some other informational literatures.. I am not against calling Israel "Israel". But did you notice how you don't even accept to call Palestine "Palestine". SO much tolerance and acceptance To be fair they are really close to each other. Isn't religion a big part of the conflict, tho? Lol, did you know that before Palestine, there was a plan to create a country for the Jews in Uganda? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 From Albert Einstein to Noam Chomsky: famous Jews who have opposed Israel Sigmund Freud: “I concede with sorrow that the baseless fanaticism of our people is in part to be blamed for the awakening of Arab distrust. I can raise no sympathy at all for the misdirected piety which transforms a piece of a Herodian wall into a national relic, thereby offending the feelings of the natives.†Albert Einstein: “The (Israeli) state idea is not according to my heart. I cannot understand why it is needed. It is connected with many difficulties and a narrow-mindedness. I believe it is bad.†Erich Fromm, social psychologist: “The claim of the Jews to the Land of Israel cannot be a realistic political claim. If all nations would suddenly claim territories in which their forefathers lived two thousand years ago, this world would be a madhouse.†Primo Levi, writer and Auschwitz survivor: "Everyone has their Jews. For the Israelis they are the Palestinians." Marek Edelman, last surviving leader of the 1943 Warsaw uprising: Edelman wrote a letter in support of the Palestine resistance, comparing them to ZOB, the Jewish fighters in Warsaw. He opened with, "Commanders of the Palestine military, paramilitary and partisan operations - to all the soldiers of the Palestine fighting organisations.†Isaac Asimov, novelist: “I find myself in the odd position of not being a Zionist ... I think it is wrong for anyone to feel that there is anything special about any one heritage of whatever kind. It is delightful to have the human heritage exist in a thousand varieties, for it makes for greater interest, but as soon as one variety is thought to be more important than another, the groundwork is laid for destroying them all.†Hannah Arendt, political scientist: “The trouble is that Zionism has often thought and said that the evil of antisemitism was necessary for the good of the Jewish people. In the words of a well-known Zionist in a letter to me discussing the original Zionist argumentation: 'The antisemites want to get rid of the Jews, the Jewish State wants to receive them, a perfect match.' “ I.F. Stone, US journalist: “Israel is creating a kind of moral schizophrenia in world Jewry. In the outside world the welfare of Jewry depends on the maintenance of secular, non-racial, pluralistic societies. In Israel, Jewry finds itself defending a society in which mixed marriages cannot be legalized, in which the ideal is racial and exclusionist.†Noam Chomsky: “In the Occupied Territories, what Israel is doing is much worse than apartheid. To call it apartheid is a gift to Israel, at least if by "apartheid" you mean South African-style apartheid. What’s happening in the Occupied Territories is much worse.†Gabriel Kolko, one of the leading historians on modern warfare: “The large majority of Israelis are not in the least Jewish in the cultural sense, are scarcely socialist in any sense, and daily life and the way people live is no different in Israel than it is in Chicago or Amsterdam. There is simply no rational reason that justifies the state’s creation.†Miriam Margolyes, actor: “The black South Africans asked for our support and now it's the Palestinians who are asking for our support. I hate what Israel is doing over there to the Palestinians. I think that boycotting is a very active and non-violent way of protesting." Uri Avnery, ex-Israeli army officer: Avnery wrote that after an Israeli military victory, “What will be seared into the consciousness of the world will be the image of Israel as a blood-stained monster, ready at any moment to commit war crimes and not prepared to abide by any moral restraints.†Henry Siegman, Rabbi and director of the U.S./Middle East Project: “Israel has crossed the threshold from ‘the only democracy in the Middle East’ to the only apartheid regime in the Western world.†Richard Cohen, US columnist: “The greatest mistake Israel could make at the moment is to forget that Israel itself is a mistake … the idea of creating a nation of European Jews in an area of Arab Muslims (and some Christians) has produced a century of warfare and terrorism of the sort we are seeing now. Israel fights Hezbollah in the north and Hamas in the south, but its most formidable enemy is history itself.†Roseanne Barr, US comedian, writer, director, presidential candidate: “I am sick of Israel and I am sick of Zionists. They are propped up by evangelical Christians who cannot wait for the Arabs to kill them so that their genocidal war god whom they misname Jesus can come back." Rabbi Michael Lerner, editor of Tikkun Magazine: “If a Jew today goes into any synagogue in the U.S. or around the world and says, 'I don’t believe in God or Torah and I don’t follow the commandments,' most will still welcome you in and urge you to become involved. But say, 'I don’t support the State of Israel,' and you are likely to be labeled a 'self-hating Jew' or anti-Semite, scorned and dismissed." Richard Falk, the former UN special rapporteur on human rights in the Occupied Palestinian Territories: Falk has called Israeli policies in the Occupied Territories “a crime against humanity.†Falk also has compared Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians to the Nazi treatment of the Jews. Falk has said, “I think the Palestinians stand out as the most victimized people in the world.†http://stopwar.org.uk/news/from-albert-einstein-to-noam-chomsky-famous-jews-who-have-opposed-israel#.U_D7uPmSw10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owQNoLiBdEQ Published on Aug 9, 2014 19 year old student Barnaby gives a stonking speech on why he's proud to be Jewish protesting against the massacre of Gazans. Don't let the media tell us that being against Israel's atrocities, and the Israeli State occupation of Palestine is anti-semitic. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noam Zioni 1,201 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 I am not against calling Israel "Israel". But did you notice how you don't even accept to call Palestine "Palestine". SO much tolerance and acceptance Lol, did you know that before Palestine, there was a plan to create a country for the Jews in Uganda? How did you notice that I'm against calling Israel Palestine? Of-course I'll call Israel Israel because I live in Israel... And what so funny about that Uganda Plan? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf 590 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 How did you notice that I'm against calling Israel Palestine? I can read Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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