CHANTEL 2 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Oh, how nice, a Wikipedia link. Go to Wikipedia and look for "Hamas Violence" And see how articles have been written about it ONLY ON WIKIPEDIA! If you support peace, at least bring the two sides of the story, you're just hating one side, and that means that you don't really want peace sis, HONESTLY, i tried seeing the Israeli side. I think it's wrong to kill anyone in any numbers. I think Israelis who are born in Israel and who are raised there aren't necessarily the 'bad guys' in the story, they simply are people like you and me But at the same time, when you need to see the other side of the story. WTF do you expect Palestinians to do? They had their land stolen from them, they were killed by thousands and many of them ran away. If you're palestinian you have three choices: 1-Running Away; 2-Standing Up for yourself and fighting back; 3-Not standing up for yourself and living through hell and probably get killed in bombings They NEED to fight back. People try to be peaceful, but when you have such a violent conflict, there's not 'ideal' situation. You need to fight back. And since Israel has such powerful weapons, they'll obviously attack the civilians. They kill them from insides.. kii whats that supposed to mean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noam Zioni 1,201 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 sis, HONESTLY, i tried seeing the Israeli side. I think it's wrong to kill anyone in any numbers. I think Israelis who are born in Israel and who are raised there aren't necessarily the 'bad guys' in the story, they simply are people like you and me But at the same time, when you need to see the other side of the story. WTF do you expect Palestinians to do? They had their land stolen from them, they were killed by thousands and many of them ran away. If you're palestinian you have three choices: 1-Running Away; 2-Standing Up for yourself and fighting back; 3-Not standing up for yourself and living through hell and probably get killed in bombings They NEED to fight back. People try to be peaceful, but when you have such a violent conflict, there's not 'ideal' situation. You need to fight back. And since Israel has such powerful weapons, they'll obviously attack the civilians. kii whats that supposed to mean You right, there's no ideal solution, I agree.. "They'll obviously attack civilians". What? Why? The Hamas is killing Gaza's citizens from the insides of the country, the Hamas is responsible for the hate and all that situation. Without the Hamas shooting rockets 1 month ago, and every 2 years, Gaza could be amazing, and even Israelis could live there and visit. Some parts of Gaza are beautiful, with an amazing beach, exactly as Israel is.. Only if Hamas wasn't involved, I really believe it and most of the Israelis do.. I really want the Hamas to get out of the picture, do you understand how wonderful it will be without the Hamas? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHANTEL 2 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 You right, there's no ideal solution, I agree.. "They'll obviously attack civilians". What? Why? The Hamas is killing Gaza's citizens from the insides of the country, the Hamas is responsible for the hate and all that situation. Without the Hamas shooting rockets 1 month ago, and every 2 years, Gaza could be amazing, and even Israelis could live there and visit. Some parts of Gaza are beautiful, with an amazing beach, exactly as Israel is.. Only if Hamas wasn't involved, I really believe it and most of the Israelis do.. I really want the Hamas to get out of the picture, do you understand how wonderful it will be without the Hamas? no i don't, you know why? because Israel is still the invader. They've stolen the land of Palestinians and although it uses violence, Hamas only tries to regain control of the land. And please, how the hell is it killing the Palestinians? I still don't see it Hamas is doing what is NEEDED as i previously said: since there's no Ideal solution, they shoot rockets at Israel to pressure the government and Israelis. Besides it's not like those rockets were anywhere near as dangerous as the israeli bombings Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noam Zioni 1,201 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 no i don't, you know why? because Israel is still the invader. They've stolen the land of Palestinians and although it uses violence, Hamas only tries to regain control of the land. And please, how the hell is it killing the Palestinians? I still don't see it Hamas is doing what is NEEDED as i previously said: since there's no Ideal solution, they shoot rockets at Israel to pressure the government and Israelis. Besides it's not like those rockets were anywhere near as dangerous as the israeli bombings The rockets aren't dangerous? Ok..... Sure... We have a protection system, they don't so: Let me explain you something: Before we bomb a building in Gaza, we throw one little bomb, that only makes the "boom" sound, and it's not able to harm, at that moment, the citizens know that they need to go out of the building, so they won't get hurt, we warn them.. And we bomb the building because the Hamas is hiding ammunition in and under the buildings in Gaza.. Sometimes this ammunition is bombing itself by mistake, and that kills all the people in the building. They do the same with schools and hospitals. Hospitals! It's insane! And they build tunnels from Gaza Strip to Israel, so they will be able to get into Israel secretly and kill people, but we stopped them by destroying the tunnels in the last 30 days. Now I wonder, how did they get all that money? From sponsers like Katar, Russia and some others... They are not that miserable, they have sponsers that give them money and ammunition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brizoda 4,177 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 people here puting blame on Hamas and Israel, but i put blame on the USA also, blocking all of the resolutions of the UN, against Israel actions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf 590 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 And Zionists are good, is there anything bad about it? No. I can't at you saying Israel is a terrorist How is Israel a terrorist and the Hamas isn't? You're so delusional, you're even ignore-worthy with your radical opinions.. How old are you? 4? can you read? It is NOT just my opinion, that was what Albert Einstein and many other BRILLIANT people thought of Israel; and that was only the beginning, glad he didn't live to see what Israel is doing today. Hamas isn't really a terrorist organization (at least not like alqaeda or ISIS or whatever), I would like to remind you that even the UN recognizes the right to armed struggle. I don't wanna sound rude, but try to back what you say with arguments, not emoticons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf 590 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 people here puting blame on Hamas and Israel, but i put blame on the USA also, blocking all of the resolutions of the UN, against Israel actions This is true, and not only the US, so many big countries support Israel (including my own country ) But still, it is kind of useless even if there are resolutions, look at how many resolutions condemning Israel already : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_UN_resolutions_concerning_Israel_and_Palestine That didn't change much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noam Zioni 1,201 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 For the haters: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFLRgYURoqs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFLRgYURoqs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noam Zioni 1,201 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 How old are you? 4? can you read? It is NOT just my opinion, that was what Albert Einstein and many other BRILLIANT people thought of Israel; and that was only the beginning, glad he didn't live to see what Israel is doing today. Hamas isn't really a terrorist organization (at least not like alqaeda or ISIS or whatever), I would like to remind you that even the UN recognizes the right to armed struggle. I don't wanna sound rude, but try to back what you say with arguments, not emoticons. Kind of one of the single times I used emoticons... Wow, the first line.. So immature.. Hamas is a terrorist organization, you have no way to get out of it, Hamas is terrorist organization, and yes, exactly like Alqaeda.. You know, that's funny, because you think can make me sad with your words "can you read? Are you 4 yo?".. Instead of that, you help me understand how immature you are. Your words don't mean nothing to me when you try to harm me, get it... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf 590 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Kind of one of the single times I used emoticons... Wow, the first line.. So immature.. Hamas is a terrorist organization, you have no way to get out of it, Hamas is terrorist organization, and yes, exactly like Alqaeda.. No, not like al qaeda, I know Israel tries so much to make it look like that, but it won't last long; lies have no legs ^^ Even countries like Britain, do not consider Hamas a terrorist organization , only its military wing; there's a difference to that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noam Zioni 1,201 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 No, not like al qaeda, I know Israel tries so much to make it look like that, but it won't last long; lies have no legs ^^ Even countries like Britain, do not consider Hamas a terrorist organization , only its military wing; there's a difference to that. Oh yeah, Israel tries so hard of course, you're blind. They kill citizens in purpose, they bomb themselves in public places as restaurants, hotels, shows, malls, buses and coffee shops. Of course it's not terrorism, they just wanted to get a coffee.. Do me a favor... Countries like Britain. What other countries? No one, cause they are terrorists.. I even doubt Britain doesn't consider the Hamas as a terror organization, and it's just one of your lies.. You know, that's funny, because you think can make me sad with your words "can you read? Are you 4 yo?".. Instead of that, you help me understand how immature you are. Your words don't mean nothing to me when you try to harm me, get it... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf 590 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Oh yeah, Israel tries so hard of course, you're blind. They kill citizens in purpose, they bomb themselves in public places as restaurants, hotels, shows, malls, buses and coffee shops. Of course it's not terrorism, they just wanted to get a coffee.. Do me a favor... Countries like Britain. What other countries? No one, cause they are terrorists.. I even doubt Britain doesn't consider the Hamas as a terror organization, and it's just one of your lies.. You know, that's funny, because you think can make me sad with your words "can you read? Are you 4 yo?".. Instead of that, you help me understand how immature you are. Your words don't mean nothing to me when you try to harm me, get it... Please don't take this personnally, I didn't mean to be rude or engage in personnal invective, but that's what I could find after you only ignore the arguments and just call people "barinwashed", "ignorant" balblabla.... As for the hamas killing citizens on purpose, and bombing restaurents, hotels, shows, coffee shops.....I find this extremely exaggerated and completely misleading. I do not condone killing civilians, but still; the last victim of palestinian bombing was in 2008 , and it was 1 victim: many countries who don't have 1% of the problems that Israel has have to deal with even more dangerous terrorism. And here is my source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks#Total_number_of_fatalities.2C_by_year And I am right about Britain, look it up instead of assuming things. I back anything I say with sources, I haven't seen any in your posts, so calling me a liar is just next level delusion, complete loss of touch with reality. :toofloppy: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmm 979 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 And I am right about Britain, look it up instead of assuming things. I back anything I say with sources, I haven't seen any in your posts, so calling me a liar is just next level delusion, complete loss of touch with reality. :toofloppy: I'd be interested to see the sources for that please. I'm surprised at that if it is the case considering even the UK's neighbour; Ireland who is definitely more pro-Palestine is completely against Hamas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf 590 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 I'd be interested to see the sources for that please. I'm surprised at that if it is the case considering even the UK's neighbour; Ireland who is definitely more pro-Palestine is completely against Hamas My source is wikipedia, which sends to this document https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/324603/20140627-List_of_Proscribed_organisations_WEBSITE_final.pdf "Hamas Izz al-Din al-Qassem Brigades - Proscribed March 2001 Hamas aims to end Israeli occupation in Palestine and establish an Islamic state." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmm 979 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 My source is wikipedia, which sends to this document https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/324603/20140627-List_of_Proscribed_organisations_WEBSITE_final.pdf "Hamas Izz al-Din al-Qassem Brigades - Proscribed March 2001 Hamas aims to end Israeli occupation in Palestine and establish an Islamic state." Ehh... that list is a list of terrorist organisations... ISIS is listed, as is the various Northern Irish dissident groups... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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