Israel - Palestine Conflict Discussion Thread

[Noam Zioni 1,201]

Stop with the stupid gif. Yes they clearly had a camera to capture a photo like that. Otherwise bring the proof that wikipedia is using some photoshop picture form decades later.

 

Again, coincidence that is the year a Jewish State was ''born''.

You are talking about 1947. Israel was "born" in 1948. Educate yourself!

[lego 44,165]

So what if you found it on twitter? why do you share this stupidity?

Relocating? More like GETTING RID OF. 

How is that offensive? I live in Israel since the day I was born and I was taught to love Israel,

I travel this country several times a year, I visit the holy places in our country every year, my grandparents had such a hard time to come here and get a home. I celebrate the independence of Israel every year.

And after these 17 years, you come here and tell me that I don't belong here, and I should be kicked out to America.

We have a right to this land because the bond between us to this land is the strongest. Fathers of our fathers had lived here, the Western Wall of our last temple is here. All the archeological evidence points out that the Jewish people lived here a lot of time.

And actually, there were major problems: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre

Do you really think Hamas will be quiet if they would take Israel back? let me remind you that they hate America too.

 

 

I'm sorry but every Palestinian can tell you the same about their connection to the land, where they were born, where their ancestors are from, where their loved one's were killed or wounded by israel, they have holy places there. They have right for that land too, but today they are pushed to some small piece of land and they don't have even basic human rights there.

There were many examples in past when Arabs and Jews did get along tho. They were even hiding in Arab families' homes. 

I don't think this relocation is even possible now, but after Second World War when they thought about safe place for the Jews, why no one thought of piece of land from USA?  Or Germany / Austria? They were the ones responsible for Holocaust. Why Palestine had to give their land?

You are talking about 1947. Israel was "born" in 1948. Educate yourself!

 

The 1948 Palestinian exodus, known in Arabic as the Nakba (Arabic: النكبة‎, an-Nakbah, lit. "disaster", "catastrophe", or "cataclysm"),[1] occurred when more than 700,000 Palestinian Arabs fled or were expelled from their homes, during the 1947–1948 Civil War in Mandatory Palestine and the 1948 Arab–Israeli War.[2] The term nakba also refers to the period of war itself and events affecting Palestinians from December 1947 to January 1949, and is synonymous in that sense with what is known to Israelis as the War of Independence (Hebrew: מלחמת ×â€Ã—¢Ã—¦Ã—ž×ות or מלחמת ×â€Ã—§Ã—•×ž×ž×™×•×ª, Milkhemet Ha'atzma'ut, a term which covers those two events).[3][4][5][6]

 

The history of the Palestinian exodus is closely tied to the events of the war in Palestine, which lasted from 1947 to 1949, and to the political events preceding it. In September 1949, the United Nations Conciliation Commission for Palestine estimated 711,000 Palestinian refugees existed outside Israel,[25] with about one-quarter of the estimated 160,000 Palestinian Arabs remaining in Israel as "internal refugees".

The Palestinians say they were evicted at bayonet-point and by panic deliberately incited by the Zionists.[26]

Efraim Karsh believes that the Israeli government never took such a "simplistic, single-cause viewpoint".[27] Walid Khalidi[28][29] and Ilan Pappé say that the expulsion was based on a deliberate policy.[30] Based on the protocols of Israel's cabinet meetings, the Haganah Archive in Tel Aviv, and the IDF and Israel Defense Ministry Archive in Givatayim,[31] a number of historians have concluded that around half the Palestinians who became refugees were evicted by the Israeli army but this was not an organized policy.[10]:5–7:38–64:462–587[32]

[Hybrid 13]

I'm sorry but every Palestinian can tell you the same about their connection to the land, where they were born, where their ancestors are from, where their loved one's were killed or wounded by israel, they have holy places there. They have right for that land too, but today they are pushed to some small piece of land and they don't have even basic human rights there.

There were many examples in past when Arabs and Jews did get along tho. They were even hiding in Arab families' homes. 

I don't think this relocation is even possible now, but after Second World War when they thought about safe place for the Jews, why no one thought of piece of land from USA?  Or Germany / Austria? They were the ones responsible for Holocaust. Why Palestine had to give their land?

 

If youu knew that this relocation is impossible why the hell did you post it?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU9CauJP4Pg

 

And actually, after starting the war at 1948 and rejecting the partition, I really don't care, they can live in Israel as Arab citizens and get equal rights. They had right to this land too, and they didn't want to share it with us, oops, their fault.

and again, no one taught about a piece of USA because we don't want it, Israel is the home of the Jews, and you can never change it, no one can. They are not responsible for the holocaust, I never said it.

[Noam Zioni 1,201]

I'm sorry but every Palestinian can tell you the same about their connection to the land, where they were born, where their ancestors are from, where their loved one's were killed or wounded by israel, they have holy places there. They have right for that land too, but today they are pushed to some small piece of land and they don't have even basic human rights there.

There were many examples in past when Arabs and Jews did get along tho. They were even hiding in Arab families' homes. 

I don't think this relocation is even possible now, but after Second World War when they thought about safe place for the Jews, why no one thought of piece of land from USA?  Or Germany / Austria? They were the ones responsible for Holocaust. Why Palestine had to give their land?

 

That is an easy question. Why would we go to the US? We don't have anything there.. Same for Austria and Germany. We thought about Uganda, but it was denied. In Israel, we have Jerusalem, the holy place for the Jews. Makes sense isn't it?

 

If youu knew that this relocation is impossible why the hell did you post it?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU9CauJP4Pg

 

And actually, after starting the war at 1948 and rejecting the partition, I really don't care, they can live in Israel as Arab citizens and get equal rights. They had right to this land too, and they didn't want to share it with us, oops, their fault.

and again, no one taught about a piece of USA because we don't want it, Israel is the home of the Jews, and you can never change it, no one can. They are not responsible for the holocaust, I never said it.

THIS tbh

[Pandemiya 61]

You are talking about 1947. Israel was "born" in 1948. Educate yourself!

My thoughts exactly.

 

[lego 44,165]

 

If youu knew that this relocation is impossible why the hell did you post it?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU9CauJP4Pg

 

And actually, after starting the war at 1948 and rejecting the partition, I really don't care, they can live in Israel as Arab citizens and get equal rights. They had right to this land too, and they didn't want to share it with us, oops, their fault.

and again, no one taught about a piece of USA because we don't want it, Israel is the home of the Jews, and you can never change it, no one can. They are not responsible for the holocaust, I never said it.

 

 

Ok, now you just skipped everything and again ''it's their fault'', because they didn't want to share the land, if the roles were reverse you wouldn't share your land either. But you are very young, I hope in time you'll understand more.

 

 

And please give me a break with propaganda videos. The fact that you try to deny it's Holy Place for them because they play football near the mosque.

 

 

 

That is an easy question. Why would we go to the US? We don't have anything there.. Same for Austria and Germany. We thought about Uganda, but it was denied. In Israel, we have Jerusalem, the holy place for the Jews. Makes sense isn't it?

 

 

But at what cost? Jerusalem is holy for Christians and Muslims too, you know.

[Noam Zioni 1,201]

Ok, now you just skipped everything and again ''it's their fault'', because they didn't want to share the land, if the roles were reverse you wouldn't share your land either. But you are very young, I hope in time you'll understand more.

 

 

And please give me a break with propaganda videos. The fact that you try to deny it's Holy Place for them because they play football near the mosque.

 

 

 

 

But at what cost? Jerusalem is holy for Christians and Muslims too, you know.

They can come here in anytime. 

[lego 44,165]

I will report you too for that stupid gif. You don't have to copy each other to appear cool. I forgot I'm discussing serious matter with children.

[Hybrid 13]

Ok, now you just skipped everything and again ''it's their fault'', because they didn't want to share the land, if the roles were reverse you wouldn't share your land either. But you are very young, I hope in time you'll understand more.

 

 

And please give me a break with propaganda videos. The fact that you try to deny it's Holy Place for them because they play football near the mosque.

 

 

Maybe because it's really their fault? 

And how come you are telling me what would I have done? You have no Idea who I am.

And being older =/= being smarter.

I wouldn't agree to seperate it, I would agree to share it. We can all live here, Muslims, Jews and Christians.

And actually, that's the reality today, Israel has Arab citizens that are granted equal rights.

 

Playing football and having picnics isn't something you do in a holy place, and of course you should not fight there.

But Arabs have a lot of riots there all the time. 

I agree to live together with Arab citizens that are human beings, not brainwashed and unstable people.

[Gov Hooka 8,008]

Pretty good video... leaves out the kidnap/suicide bombers/car bombs/rocket attacks ...

The way its presented by many Palestinian supporters is that Hamas are really girl scouts and the tunnels were meant to help them sell more thin mint cookies to Israel. The rocket attacks upon Israeli farmers was meant to celebrate the 100th box of cookie sales.....

right....8-/

THIS MTE

[Pandemiya 61]

Maybe because it's really their fault? 

And how come you are telling me what would I have done? You have no Idea who I am.

And being older =/= being smarter.

I wouldn't agree to seperate it, I would agree to share it. We can all live here, Muslims, Jews and Christians.

And actually, that's the reality today, Israel has Arab citizens that are granted equal rights.

 

Playing football and having picnics isn't something you do in a holy place, and of course you should not fight there.

But Arabs have a lot of riots there all the time. 

I agree to live together with Arab citizens that are human beings, not brainwashed and unstable people.

   

I will report you too for that stupid gif. You don't have to copy each other to appear cool. I forgot I'm discussing serious matter with children.

Emotes are allowed on this forum.

[lego 44,165]

Maybe because it's really their fault? 

And how come you are telling me what would I have done? You have no Idea who I am.

And being older =/= being smarter.

I wouldn't agree to seperate it, I would agree to share it. We can all live here, Muslims, Jews and Christians.

And actually, that's the reality today, Israel has Arab citizens that are granted equal rights.

 

Playing football and having picnics isn't something you do in a holy place, and of course you should not fight there.

But Arabs have a lot of riots there all the time. 

I agree to live together with Arab citizens that are human beings, not brainwashed and unstable people.

 

 

But it's not your religion, you cannot tell others what is a proper thing to do around holy place, they didn't play football inside the mosque in the place where they pray. And the riots wouldn't happen if all the Muslims would be free to visit and pray there, if they wouldn't be attacked by police or extremist Jews and treated like dogs.

Israeli forces storm Aqsa compound, dozens injured and detained

Published Sunday 20/04/2014 (updated) 22/04/2014 16:11

A young Palestinian woman shouts at the entrance of the Al-Aqsa

mosque compound in Jerusalem's Old City, on April 20, 2014

(AFP Ahmad Gharabli)

JERUSALEM (Ma'an) -- Dozens of Palestinian worshipers were wounded and dozens were detained after clashes broke in the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound on Sunday morning with Israeli forces who had stormed the courtyards firing stun grenades and rubber-coated bullets.

The raid comes amid frequent clashes in recent days after right-wing Jewish groups urged Jews to flock to the compound -- which they believe is the site of a former Jewish temple -- and conduct Passover rituals inside.

Director of Al-Aqsa Mosque Omar Kiswani told Ma'an that more than 400 police officers stormed the courtyard of the Al-Aqsa Mosque through the Moroccan Gate and the Chain Gate escorting extremist Jews other Jewish visitors into the compound.

Israeli forces, Kiswani said, "besieged" worshipers in the southern mosque "attacking them with clubs and pepper spray," after clashes broke out with Palestinian worshipers in the compound.

Dozens of Palestinians sustained injuries during the assault, while several others suffered from excessive tear gas inhalation. Twenty-five young men were reportedly detained by Israeli forces.

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=691377

 

Muslim residents of Israel and Palestinians living in East Jerusalem are normally allowed to enter and pray at the al-Aqsa Mosque without restrictions.[76] The Israeli government occasionally prevents certain groups of Muslims from reaching al-Aqsa; the restrictions vary from time to time. At times restrictions have prevented all men under 50 and women under 45 from entering, but married men over 45 are allowed. Sometimes the restrictions are enforced on the occasion of Friday prayers,[77] other times they are over an extended period of time.[77][78][79] Restrictions are most severe for Gazans, followed by restrictions on those from West Bank. The Israeli government states that the restrictions are in place for security reasons.[76]

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree to live together with Arab citizens that are human beings, not brainwashed and unstable people.

 

I'm wondering which Arabs are considered as human beings to you, only those who support Israel? Why are unstable people - not human beings, is mental disorder something which allows you to treat others as less that human being?

[Hybrid 13]

But it's not your religion, you cannot tell others what is a proper thing to do around holy place, they didn't play football inside the mosque in the place where they pray. And the riots wouldn't happen if all the Muslims would be free to visit and pray there, if they wouldn't be attacked by police or extremist Jews and treated like dogs.

 

I'm wondering which Arabs are considered as human beings to you, only those who support Israel? Why are unstable people - not human beings, is mental disorder something which allows you to treat others as less that human being?

 

It doesn't matter, I visited several mosques in my entire life and I know how it works. 

The mosque is the place where you come to pray to Allah, and nothing else.

They are free to visit the Dome of the Rock whenever they want, cops have no intention to prevent them from praying.

 

To support Israel you have to be smart, not human. So, no.

Arabs can be human without supporting Israel as long as they don't threatening to murder us and being happy when our soldiers die. It's not a secret that they are likely to be unstable and have riots all the time. in Japan you are not allowed to be Muslim, There is not even one copy of the Quran in Japan, if you want to be a Muslim in Japan, you have to pray at home - but you don't get a citizenship. And look - Japan is much more quiet than France for example.

[lego 44,165]

It doesn't matter, I visited several mosques in my entire life and I know how it works. 

The mosque is the place where you come to pray to Allah, and nothing else.

They are free to visit the Dome of the Rock whenever they want, cops have no intention to prevent them from praying.

 

To support Israel you have to be smart, not human. So, no.

Arabs can be human without supporting Israel as long as they don't threatening to murder us and being happy when our soldiers die. It's not a secret that they are likely to be unstable and have riots all the time. in Japan you are not allowed to be Muslim, There is not even one copy of the Quran in Japan, if you want to be a Muslim in Japan, you have to pray at home - but you don't get a citizenship. And look - Japan is much more quiet than France for example.

 

They are obviously not all free, I posted receipts. At times restrictions have prevented all men under 50 and women under 45 from entering, but married men over 45 are allowed. Sometimes the restrictions are enforced on the occasion of Friday prayers,[77] other times they are over an extended period of time.[77][78][79] Restrictions are most severe for Gazans, followed by restrictions on those from West Bank.

These doesn't even make sense!

And visiting mosque is not the same as having proper knowledge of what is allowed and what is not in their religion.

 

So all Arabs are unstable? They are never provoked by Israeli police or Jewish extremists, right? What about Jews who riot, are they unstable too? How come you can share the country with them?

 

And where did you get that info about Japan?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Japan#Mosques

 

According to japanfocus.org,[16] 'There are currently between 30 and 40 single-story mosques in Japan, plus another 100 or more apartment rooms set aside, in the absence of more suitable facilities, for prayers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPa4OPuYQs0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlI5PHMBNQs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n5wRN6U8eE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib-W-wp1ijM

 

 

What is your point? Generalizing much?

[Pandemiya 61]

What is your point? Generalizing much?

You generalize the Israelis everyday though