Houdini 103 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 the non pop stars sis, the true rnb stars, let's go: aaliyah, ashanti, mary j blige, etc. why are they true and not the other one ? ''true rnb star'' means so nothing, it's not because nobody buy their stuff that it's real music lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gov Hooka 8,008 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 why are they true and not the other one ? ''true rnb star'' means so nothing, it's not because nobody buy their stuff that it's real music lol the point i'm trying to make is that Beyoncé, Nicki, Rihanna, Usher are more pop now. I was trying to say Madonna's influence is limited to one genre pop and not any other genre outside of it like Diana Ross, Janet, Donna Summer, etc. I can see that this point is kinda moot but back to the central argument, you still didn't prove how Madonna was the first real advancement so I think we're done here. good discussion, but I will end on this note, Madonna was the first CRASS female megastar, the first female PROVOCATEUR, not the first female artist, that lovely, more meaningful title belongs to these other ladies. I love Madonna but I'm not going to try and make her out to be as revolutionary as you are making her out to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houdini 103 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 the point i'm trying to make is that Beyoncé, Nicki, Rihanna, Usher are more pop now. I was trying to say Madonna's influence is limited to one genre pop and not any other genre outside of it like Diana Ross, Janet, Donna Summer, etc. I can see that this point is kinda moot but back to the central argument, you still didn't prove how Madonna was the first real advancement so I think we're done here. good discussion, but I will end on this note, Madonna was the first CRASS female megastar, the first female PROVOCATEUR, not the first female artist, that lovely, more meaningful title belongs to these other ladies. I love Madonna but I'm not going to try and make her out to be as revolutionary as you are making her out to be. on a s-xual, religious and politic side, yes she was the first one to push barrier. after that, those themes were accessible to everybody. in this case, she was the first one to base her work on it at a big level and really challenge public opinion about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gov Hooka 8,008 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 on a s-xual, religious and politic side, yes she was the first one to push barrier. after that, those themes were accessible to everybody. in this case, she was the first one to base her work on it at a big level and really challenge public opinion about it. agreed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antidote 95 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 I think that probably we will remember BTW as her iconic work (at least I will), but the people who think they know her but never listened to the album and only know BTW (song) and TEOG will remember the Madonna comparison Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASIAPOP 0 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Don't let Madonna know, or she'll start performing a mashup of I Left My Heart in San Francisco and She's Not Me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FRANK1991 3,329 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 I never think about it when I'm listeing to the album and I never really like the song BTW anyway when there's so many other songs that's way better Cause once you let it go you better know it's gone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleBoot 27 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 The Fame and the Fame Monster is what overshadowed BTW. I kind of viewed the Madonna controversy as just being a footnote. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miel 15,009 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 I certainly hope not. It's such an encompassing sentiment that helped so many people worldwide, and I'd hate for it to be remembered because of some petty comparison feud. 3 points in and ready for more Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunt 0 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 No one really cares in the real world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryhanna 3,507 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 No. I think that the younger generation are simply more familiar with Gaga's music than Madonna's and will remember Born This Way as it's own work. The comparison will still be attached, but most people won't care. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battle 4 Ur Life 6,722 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 No. I think that the younger generation are simply more familiar with Gaga's music than Madonna's and will remember Born This Way as it's own work. The comparison will still be attached, but most people won't care. this and besides, they don't sound that much alike at all. at least to myself. this was such a factoid. “Fantastic, chic, freak, slay.” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gov Hooka 8,008 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 this and besides, they don't sound that much alike at all. at least to myself. this was such a factoid. lol I agree tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FGGrayson 9,670 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 a majority of people dgaf about the comparisons anymore and see Gaga as either a completely new improved version, or see Gaga as someone they just aren't interested in. this tbh, only madonna's fans are obsessed 𝗟𝗮𝗱𝘆 𝗚𝗮𝗴𝗮 • 𝗠𝗮𝗻𝗱𝘆 𝗠𝗼𝗼𝗿𝗲 • 𝗦𝗼𝗽𝗵𝗶𝗲-𝗘𝗹𝗹𝗶𝘀 𝗕𝗲𝘅𝘁𝗼𝗿 • 𝗣𝗮𝗿𝗶𝘀 𝗝𝗮𝗰𝗸𝘀𝗼𝗻 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Professor 1,060 Posted June 30, 2014 Author Share Posted June 30, 2014 this tbh, only madonna's fans are obsessed Most of her fanbase will die in the next 20 years tho tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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