charliekelso 115 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 If it's just cover songs, I don't think so. Besides, I just think it'll make her brand feel a lot older. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XoXoJoanneGaga 629 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 IFPI reported 2.3 million albums SOLD in 2013 alone. 1.7 is from basement Bubba. Gaga has sold 2.5 million albums worldwide. Her tour is selling due to the fact that she has past hits, current hits, a top 10 WW album and a reputation as an excellent live artist. She isn't a touring artist...that statement is what is absurd. https://twitter.com/chartnews/status/462394403769024512 My bad it's 1.8m. PRISM and Beyoncé have both passed the 3m mark. Gaga pulled out the 2.5m number during her interview because that's how much it shipped. Labels and artists make money off shipments so they're aloud to use those for certifications, on the assumption that said shipments will be sold to actual consumers eventually. But ARTPOP didn't sell 2.5m to consumers, only to retailers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Professor 1,060 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Do you mean for C2C? You don't mean for Tony Bennett, right? Yeah C2C. Tony's sold a lot more than that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Professor 1,060 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 While y'all Angela Cheng wannabes try to convince others Gaga is flopping, she remains unbothered, fanning with 190 Million dollars and a #2 spot at Forbes most powerful celebrities. And her album did sell 2.5M. At this point in her carreer, "flopping" is just a comical and rather awkward situation for her. Stop acting like she'll fcking fade away just because ARTPOP didn't sell as much as her previous album Look at the writing on the wall. FAME - 15 mill BORN THIS WAY - 7 mill ARTPOP - 2.5 mill She's exponentially declining. Forbes is not an all seeing god, its just another magazine. Open your eyes. And before you say BTW was older and therefore sold better, by this time after its release it sold much more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 https://twitter.com/chartnews/status/462394403769024512 My bad it's 1.8m. PRISM and Beyoncé have both passed the 3m mark. Gaga pulled out the 2.5m number during her interview because that's how much it shipped. Labels and artists make money off shipments so they're aloud to use those for certifications, on the assumption that said shipments will be sold to actual consumers eventually. But ARTPOP didn't sell 2.5m to consumers, only to retailers. Chartnews? That's just another random guy who makes reporting numbers he finds a hobby. He is simply reporting what Basement Bubba reported. Neither one of them have an inside track to the recording industry. Basement Bubba and his little brother, Basement Bob, are not more accurate than IFPI. ARTPOP sold 2.3 million albums in 2013. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XoXoJoanneGaga 629 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Chartnews? That's just another random guy who makes reporting numbers he finds a hobby. He is simply reporting what Basement Bubba reported. Neither one of them have an inside track to the recording industry. Basement Bubba and his little brother, Basement Bob, are not more accurate than IFPI. ARTPOP sold 2.3 million albums in 2013. I saw that IFPI list when it was published in March, it's shipments I'm positive about that. If you want a more official source than Chartnews try Mediatraffic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 I saw that IFPI list when it was published in March, it's shipments I'm positive about that. If you want a more official source than Chartnews try Mediatraffic Mediatraffic is Basement Bubba. He isn't connected to the music industry in any way. His reporting year also starts and ends on a different time frame than IFPI...just a little something everyone here doesn't pay attention to. Basement Bubba's (Mediatraffic) numbers are not more accurate (or in any way "official") than IFPI's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XoXoJoanneGaga 629 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Mediatraffic is Basement Bubba. He isn't connected to the music industry in any way. His reporting year also starts and ends on a different time frame than IFPI...just a little something everyone here doesn't pay attention to. Basement Bubba's (Mediatraffic) numbers are not more accurate (or in any way "official") than IFPI's. Bottom line is IFPI publishes a top 10 list yearly which includes digital sales + shipments from labels. Their single list includes single track downloads + track equivalent streams. We all know Beyoncé sold way more than ARTPOP, yet she's one spot below on the list. That's because Beyoncé came out so close to the end of 2013 and at that point had yet to ship physical copies around the world. The IFPI list is always comprised of major Q4 releases because the labels ship more copies the bigger the artist is. You can deny Mediatraffic and Chartnews if you like but IFPI's annual list will not give you the worldwide sales of an album, only shipments. There's no "official" source for tracking WW sales so it's Mediatraffic or nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pity Party 743 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 It won't bring her back. I couldn't care less though. I don't sit around and get hard off staring at my faves chart positions like some of you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Bottom line is IFPI publishes a top 10 list yearly which includes digital sales + shipments from labels. Their single list includes single track downloads + track equivalent streams. We all know Beyoncé sold way more than ARTPOP, yet she's one spot below on the list. That's because Beyoncé came out so close to the end of 2013 and at that point had yet to ship physical copies around the world. The IFPI list is always comprised of major Q4 releases because the labels ship more copies the bigger the artist is. You can deny Mediatraffic and Chartnews if you like but IFPI's annual list will not give you the worldwide sales of an album, only shipments. There's no "official" source for tracking WW sales so it's Mediatraffic or nothing. Bottom line is they publish the track equivalent stats separately. Beyoncé had not sold more than ARTPOP WORLWIDE, not in 2013. IFPI is compromised mostly (but not all) of Q4 releases because that is when most of the biggest names (from every genre) release music. The majority of artists, who are able to move the most units, are typically held for Q4 by record labels, so the labels can capitalize on the holiday season. IFPI has more Q4 releases, due to the fact that those were, quite simply, the albums that sold the most during the past year. You are incorrect. IFPI is the organization that the music industry relies on, for accurate numbers. IFPI has representatives in over 100 countries and has been a reliable resource for the past 80 years. Their numbers are used to forecast for the upcoming year and as information for year to year marketing strategies. Multi-million dollar decisions are based on the numbers that IFPI reports at the end of every year. Major labels and music industry professional are not calling up some guy in his basement, that has a fun, little hobby, to make major business decisions that cost their companies millions of dollars! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XoXoJoanneGaga 629 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Bottom line is they publish the track equivalent stats separately. Beyoncé had not sold more than ARTPOP WORLWIDE, not in 2013. IFPI is compromised mostly (but not all) of Q4 releases because that is when most of the biggest names (from every genre) release music. The majority of artists, who are able to move the most units, are typically held for Q4 by record labels, so the labels can capitalize on the holiday season. IFPI has more Q4 releases, due to the fact that those were, quite simply, the albums that sold the most during the past year. You are incorrect. IFPI is the organization that the music industry relies on, for accurate numbers. IFPI has representatives in over 100 countries and has been a reliable resource for the past 80 years. Their numbers are used to forecast for the upcoming year and as information for year to year marketing strategies. Multi-million dollar decisions are based on the numbers that IFPI reports at the end of every year. Major labels and music industry professional are not calling up some guy in his basement, that has a fun, little hobby, to make major business decisions that cost their companies millions of dollars! Yes, I know how official IFPI is, and that's why they use shipments. Obviously the actual sales are much less impressive than the shipments, and IFPI reports the label numbers, which are based on shipments. It's simple number inflation and it happens in every industry, especially one in as dire shape as the record industry. Vivendi published their annual shipment report a mere week before IFPI and it had ARTPOP at 2.3m as well. I'm sorry but everyone knows the IFPI list is shipments, and that ARTPOP has not reached the 2m mark WW. It's silly to keep arguing over this since we're talking a difference of 400k-500k copies, but it's a notable difference nonetheless that's worth pointing out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester 6,306 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 so? it still shows decline Its video has more views than any single from BTW (except Judas) and it charted higher than MTN, Y&I, Judas, Alejandro, Paparazzi and almost equally as TEOG and Telephone (#3). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allison M 357 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Everyone fighting over charts and figures again... It was time to move on months ago guys. Gaga is doing just fine. Get over it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakrai 4,759 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Look at the writing on the wall. FAME - 15 mill BORN THIS WAY - 7 mill ARTPOP - 2.5 mill She's exponentially declining. Forbes is not an all seeing god, its just another magazine. Open your eyes. And before you say BTW was older and therefore sold better, by this time after its release it sold much more. Open my eyes to what? Gaga is currently going through a low point in her career. That's not hard to figure out. Everyone can see that. The thing I personally am against is claiming Gaga is "gone", "finished", or "declining". None of those terms accurately describe the situation Gaga's brand is going through right now. The data you provide is absurd given the amount of individual factors that are at play in album sales statistics, so to draw a conclusion based on that information alone is illogical. Gaga is selling less than before, yes. But she is still being very profitable as a brand. Forbes sees that, because Forbes specializes in gathering and distributing economic data, they're not a gossip magazine. Whether it's fueled by hate or hail, Gaga still gives the industry green numbers. And massive green numbers at that. Like, hell she opens for obama and is allowed to record a duet with Tony Bennet. How is that being a "declining" artist? Isn't it more accurate to say that she's just not the center of attention lately? Which was bound to happen. After all she was like the biggest celebrity in the world for a while, there was nowhere to go but down. While going down, brands prefer to target you, because it makes your status-change more proffitable. Gaga is going through that stage, which is a necessary part in everyone's career if you're THAT famous. Get over it. Oh, I'm just visiting- Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Yes, I know how official IFPI is, and that's why they use shipments. Obviously the actual sales are much less impressive than the shipments, and IFPI reports the label numbers, which are based on shipments. It's simple number inflation and it happens in every industry, especially one in as dire shape as the record industry. Vivendi published their annual shipment report a mere week before IFPI and it had ARTPOP at 2.3m as well. I'm sorry but everyone knows the IFPI list is shipments, and that ARTPOP has not reached the 2m mark WW. It's silly to keep arguing over this since we're talking a difference of 400k-500k copies, but it's a notable difference nonetheless that's worth pointing out. No, they don't. That's your opinion, based on no evidence, other than you trust some random guy in his basement (who doesn't report sales in November in 2013 totals and who doesn't have access to over 100 countries). The media, including industry publications, reports IFPI's numbers. You can choose to doubt them and believe that Basement Bubba has some kind of "inside information". :roll: I'm going to go with the professional organization that recording labels and music industry leaders rely on! :) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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