jxckk 959 Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 If she had stuck to the original look she teased about (ARTPOP promo photo) then it would have shocked people. Her dressing normally would have got the attention of many media websites. The whole style this era should have been stripped back. I guarantee she would have got more publicity for suddenly appearing more normal than going with all the crazy looks again. She should at least have one album era when she doesn't rely on outfits. Swine as a lead single would have done ok but it wouldn't have done better than Applause. Applause should always have been the lead single. I would have been thrilled if she had done this look at the VMAs. The performance with that exact look (obviously with some sort of simple white outfit) and a killer vocal and dance effort would have been amazing. I still love the performance we got but it could have been better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoebe 158 Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 - Applause should NOT have been rush released - Applause should have been promoted more everywhere I agree that Applause should not have been rush released. Had she stuck to the plan Applause would have a chance to have a massive start. Debuting the song AND the video the same day would have been epic. I have to admit though, I'm still not quite sure if she rush released it because it started leaking (I know, I know, it's a big deal) or she really wanted to compete with Katy's Roar. Gaga is a competitive person, no denying that. Anyway, this is a whole different topic. I disagree with the second part though. Applause was massively promoted. She had radio interviews every day, magazine covers/interviews and performances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoebe 158 Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 Honestly, the way for her to "shock" the GP at this point is to release a non-electronic album that really showcases her voice. *cue Cheek to Cheek* Yeah, pretty much although I don't think Cheek To Cheek will do much for her. She might get more respect for her voice but since it's a jazz album and it's not something it's being played on the radio, unfortunately this album will go under radar as far as pop landscape goes in my opinion. I'm sure it will get positive reviews and all but the feedback won't be massive. Of course this is just speculation, we'll see what happens. I'm hoping for the best. I do hope one day she releases a more stripped down album. Just piano and her. I would love that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropico 4,145 Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 I don't agree with one sentence in this entire thing omg. 1. Gaga doesn't HAVE to be shocking all the time to be recognized anymore. She has solidified her spot and over doing it is trashy like the way Miley did it. 2. MTN was shocking. Don't say it wasn't just because it flopped. 3. The seashell bikini was shocking. Just some of the main stuff. But there was a lot of flaws. ♢ Social Justice Enthusiast ♢ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelbHawker 6,583 Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 To be honest - ARTPOP confused everyone prior to it's release. People were expecting odd, weird, amazing, next-level stuff & what we got was totally safe. ART-POP. People were expecting art. We got one quite conventional music video, and not much else during the beginning. That, & she's a better entertainer when she was shocking, she does it so well. She fascinates everyone. Now, it's more 'looking good' I guess. She does conventional beauty. No-one knows her for that. It's ineffective. 2. MTN was shocking. Don't say it wasn't just because it flopped. 3. The seashell bikini was shocking. MTN wasn't that shocking. The seashell bikini wasn't shocking at all. It was just revealing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born To Slay 10,996 Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 To be honest - ARTPOP confused everyone prior to it's release. People were expecting odd, weird, amazing, next-level stuff & what we got was totally safe. ART-POP. People were expecting art. We got one quite conventional music video, and not much else during the beginning. That, & she's a better entertainer when she was shocking, she does it so well. She fascinates everyone. Now, it's more 'looking good' I guess. She does conventional beauty. No-one knows her for that. It's ineffective. MTN wasn't that shocking. The seashell bikini wasn't shocking at all. It was just revealing. I agree with this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunt 0 Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 WARNING: Long read, but please read it if you have the time, it's worth it: A lot of people say that the reason why ARTPOP was not well received by the GP is because its music is not very radio friendly, or because the philosophy and message of the album is too obscure. However, if you look at each individual song on the album, they are pretty radio friendly, in fact even more radio friendly than the songs on Born This Way or The Fame Monster. And when people say that the message of ARTPOP is too obscure, they tend to forget that most of the GP didn’t even know what the message of The Fame is, or understand the meaning of weird titles like “The Edge Of Gloryâ€, but those songs still became really popular. So I think both are not the real reason why the ARTPOP wasn’t well received. In order to study “failuresâ€, we should first look at successes and compare them. When Lady Gaga first came out in 2008, it was her catchy music like “Just Dance†and “Poker Face†that made her popular, just like how many other pop stars become famous (Ke$ha with Tik Tok, Britney with Baby One More Time, you name it). But many artists really struggle to keep the fame alive for long, because they tend to become irrelevant whenever they get too overexposed. Lady Gaga though, was smart. She utilized shocking values to grab the GP’s attention, because when pop stars do crazy stuff, the media talks about it like crazy because it grabs people’s attention and creates controversies (Look at Miley Cyrus with her We Can’t Stop, VMA performance, and Wrecking Ball). During The Fame Monster Era, Lady Gaga released three pretty shocking videos that really grabbed the GP’s attention, one of which went viral because of its uniqueness and catchiness (Bad Romance). She also had pretty shocking costumes and performances like the meat dress, AMA 2010 (the one with breaking glass), and pretty much everything she does. This was the main reason why she was so relevant and popular at that time. Because of all the fame she collected during The Fame and The Fame Monster, and with the major support from the LGBT community, Born This Way went through pretty well at first, and was still pretty well received by the GP, because it showed a more original and dark side of Gaga, which was interesting to the GP at first (I guess it was at that time considered shocking to see Gaga, a pretty insane figure, being so calm while playing The Edge of Glory on piano). There was still some shocking value with the entire Joe thing during You and I, but there was pretty much no shocking value at all with Marry the Night. Yes, the music video was 13 minutes long, and yes it was the fifth single, but that cannot explain why the single flopped on chart. It was all about the lack of shocking value. The performance at the Grammy’s with the skeleton outfit isn’t really that shocking, ‘cause Gaga has done that already with Born This Way, and the video, the outfits, and the theme just doesn’t create any controversies within the media and the GP. Gaga did not learn from her mistakes she made with MTN. She came back with Applause after her surgery. Yes, it was pretty experimental and it did perform well, but for a lead single, it really should have done better. Again, it’s the problem of the lack of shocking value. There was nothing shocking and controversial about the VMA performance of Applause. The video wasn’t really shocking or controversial either; neither are the outfits. What Gaga really should have done was to release an experimental song, and do something during the VMA’s that would shock people. Now look at ARTPOP’s tracklist: "Aura" "Venus" "G.U.Y." "Sexxx Dreams" "Jewels N' Drugs" "MANiCURE" "Do What U Want" "ARTPOP" "Swine" "Donatella" "Fashion!" "Mary Jane Holland" "Dope" "Gypsy" "Applause" Immediately, we can take out everything except for Aura, Swine, and maybe Applause, in terms of experimental factor. Applause couldn’t create controversies with its performances, so we can cross that one out. Now it’s Aura and Swine. Aura is extremely radio unfriendly, with obscure lyrics that are not very GP friendly. It could do well, but too risky, so that’s eliminated. Now look at Swine, it has a pretty straightforward message that people can relate to, because everyone has people that they don’t like, and it’s also a pretty catchy EDM. Now imagine an epic viral video with Swine, the shocking fashion it would create, and imagine if the SXSW or the ITunes festival performance with the vomiting paint was done during the VMA’s instead of it being Applause, just imagine how much controversies and attention Gaga would get!! Swine as the lead single would have slayed everyone! So my ARTPOP era: 1. Swine 2. Applause (Promo Singles: Venus/G.U.Y, Gypsy/G.U.Y) 3. Aura (with more shocking performances and fashion) 4. DWUW (Just send it to radio, have one or two performances, then go on tour) SWINE FOR PRESIDENT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropico 4,145 Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 MTN wasn't that shocking. The seashell bikini wasn't shocking at all. It was just revealing. Wasn't that shocking? Oh yes because cars blowing up and a possible abortion scandal in a video isn't shocking at all righ? And the seashell bikini wasn't shocking. Excuse me it made some headlines back in 2013. And conventional beauty you say? Umm I don't agree. And neither does this look. And Gaga is still shocking. Where were you when she was puked on live on stage. And ARTPOP confused everyone? sis because you are confused doesn't mean we all were. Bringing ART back into pop culture. A reverse Warholian experience. And the anything thing means it's all about how you percieve artpop. Self evaluation. Like all art. It doesn't get desribed to you just like that. You have to actually THINK about it if it's meant to make sense. :awkney: ♢ Social Justice Enthusiast ♢ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelbHawker 6,583 Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Wasn't that shocking? Oh yes because cars blowing up and a possible abortion scandal in a video isn't shocking at all righ? And the seashell bikini wasn't shocking. Excuse me it made some headlines back in 2013. And conventional beauty you say? Umm I don't agree. And neither does this look. And Gaga is still shocking. Where were you when she was puked on live on stage. And ARTPOP confused everyone? sis because you are confused doesn't mean we all were. Bringing ART back into pop culture. A reverse Warholian experience. And the anything thing means it's all about how you percieve ARTPOP. Self evaluation. Like all art. It doesn't get desribed to you just like that. You have to actually THINK about it if it's meant to make sense. Gurl, MTN wasn't about an abortion. That was a fan-made concept that was never even proved to be valid. Blowing up cars isn't shocking at all. The seashell bikini made NO headlines. ARTPOP did confuse everyone. The general public & critics alike. It confused me for example. I was expecting next-level sh*t. I was expecting a HUGE Era. What we've gotten is.. well, it's not much. The singles haven't charted well at all. The videos haven't topped her previous ones. Her fashion has been conventional for the most part. Management has been quite stupid tbh. Promo has been a mess. The ARTPOP App is a total flop. The Documentary won't happen. The music itself, whilst good, was a step down from BTW, TFM. Pls. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropico 4,145 Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Gurl, MTN wasn't about an abortion. That was a fan-made concept that was never even proved to be valid. Blowing up cars isn't shocking at all. The seashell bikini made NO headlines. ARTPOP did confuse everyone. The general public & critics alike. It confused me for example. I was expecting next-level sh*t. I was expecting a HUGE Era. What we've gotten is.. well, it's not much. The singles haven't charted well at all. The videos haven't topped her previous ones. Her fashion has been conventional for the most part. Management has been quite stupid tbh. Promo has been a mess. The ARTPOP App is a total flop. The Documentary won't happen. The music itself, whilst good, was a step down from BTW, TFM. Pls. Umm that's why I said SCANDAL. Doesn't mean it's true. Still got people talking and the video as a whole was shocking and deep. Back then the seashell bikini was quite the shocker to people. It didn't shock as much as the twerking from Miley but was still quite an event. And again sis the GP just listens to bops and weren't confused. Because they didn't bother looking deep enough. THEY ARE NOT STANS. THEY DON'T CARE. THEY JUST LIKE FUN BOPS. And the critics were pretty obviously targeting Gaga this era. It seems like you are very easily swayed by the critics. As well as many chart monsters, and I'm not saying you're one you just share something in common. And applause charted well, DWUW broke an iTunes record and did okay to kinda good. And G.U.Y. Had NO promo AT ALL. LIKE 0 PROMO. And Applause video tops a lot of The Fame videos. And G.U.Y. Is considered to be one of her best. And you think this is conventional fashion? So was The Fame and The Fame Monster then. I mean during the fame her thing was to be pretty. So in comparrison... And promo for ARTPOP wasn't bad until 2014. I mean there has been promotional concerts often like Swinefest, Roseland, Jingle Bell Ball and SXSW. That itself is a lot. And anyway what does the promo have to do with being shocking? And the music... SUBJECTIVE AS FUCK. I believe ARTPOP is waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy better than her first 2 albums and is just about the same in amazingness as BTW. And a lot of the stuff you mentioned has nothing to do with being shocking. ♢ Social Justice Enthusiast ♢ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade 5,603 Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 The iTunes fest was the best thing to come out of this era IMO. Hearing songs live for the first time was one of the best experiences I've had as a fan. Same here !! It was so insane :) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelbHawker 6,583 Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Umm that's why I said SCANDAL. Doesn't mean it's true. Still got people talking and the video as a whole was shocking and deep. Back then the seashell bikini was quite the shocker to people. It didn't shock as much as the twerking from Miley but was still quite an event. And again sis the GP just listens to bops and weren't confused. Because they didn't bother looking deep enough. THEY ARE NOT STANS. THEY DON'T CARE. THEY JUST LIKE FUN BOPS. And the critics were pretty obviously targeting Gaga this era. It seems like you are very easily swayed by the critics. As well as many chart monsters, and I'm not saying you're one you just share something in common. And applause charted well, DWUW broke an iTunes record and did okay to kinda good. And G.U.Y. Had NO promo AT ALL. LIKE 0 PROMO. And Applause video tops a lot of The Fame videos. And G.U.Y. Is considered to be one of her best. And you think this is conventional fashion? So was The Fame and The Fame Monster then. I mean during the fame her thing was to be pretty. So in comparrison... And promo for ARTPOP wasn't bad until 2014. I mean there has been promotional concerts often like Swinefest, Roseland, Jingle Bell Ball and SXSW. That itself is a lot. And anyway what does the promo have to do with being shocking? And the music... SUBJECTIVE AS ****. I believe ARTPOP is waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy better than her first 2 albums and is just about the same in amazingness as BTW. And a lot of the stuff you mentioned has nothing to do with being shocking. I disagree about the 'shock' that was the Seashell Bikini. It was quite typical Pop Imagery to be honest. No-one was surprised - she just showed a lot of skin. That doesn't qualify as shock factor anymore. If the GP like fun bops.. then why have the 3 Singles thus far failed to top the charts? Applause charted solidly - but I guess any Lead Single she released would. It wasn't a smash. DWUW didn't do well. GUY flopped - irrespective of promo. The big video release indicated that she and her label thought the song would take off - we all did. Both are total bops. GUY especially. I'm not swayed by critics - I form my own opinions about Gaga - I just feel as though the ARTPOP era has underwhelmed. I'm not a 'chart monster' - but I will never consider charts/sales to be 'irrelevant'. TF/TFM was not conventional fashion. Her fashion was groundbreaking for being different when she first started out - both candid outfits and performance outfits. TFM saw her totally challenge fashion rules - she became a Fashion Icon. BTW saw her co-relate her fashion with her music. ARTPOP's seen her alternate between conventional beauty and some experimental looks - but for the most part, I'd say conventional beauty has been the way she's gone. It's either a high fashion 'pretty' outfit, or that flannel shirt that just doesn't scream 'Lady Gaga' to me. It feels almost lazy. All the stuff I mentioned in the last paragraph of my previous post wasn't talking about her being shocking. That was just expressing disappointment to how the Era has unfolded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthagio 113 Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Shock was what once made her unique, then when the likes of just about every other popstar adopted her image and shock value, her uniqueness was turned into a gimmick and people turned against it. Shock is what caused people to turn away. People love Gaga, just not shock Gaga. She needs to show the world her talent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VISION 52 Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 that's not rue that's not true look at sSummer - calvin harris He probably meant "female EDM" Guys and male voices are on top right now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollercoaster 2 Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 The fact that she was all about art for ARTPOP up until ARTPOP was released. without the art there's just pop. her performances could have been by anyone tbh. can't wait for proper management. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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