Can other popstars withstand Gaga-type risks?

[Tropico 4,145]

I just want to make something clear, Gaga did not really took risk.

The delusion is this comment. :wtf:

[Stefani328 321]

So people really think Gaga didn't take a risk. BTW is a risk. You have to delusional to think it wasn't risky to release an album like BTW. Her entire persona and the music that came with it. Most artists wouldn't take a risk knowing they can alienate so many people so early in their careers. All the people that think she hasn't taken a risk must have became a fan just yesterday.

[Houdini 103]

The delusion is this comment.

the delusion in this reply

[Stefani328 321]

No...artists like Katy, Rihanna, Britney, even Beyonce wouldn't dare pull off things like Gaga has. They're too afraid to damage their reputation, to change their sound, and to express who they TRULY want to be. They play safe, but Gaga plays dangerously close to the edge of what society will accept. This is the definition of fearless...

   

[Tropico 4,145]

Okay mess at people saying the meat dress isn't risky.

The backlash she could (and did) get from people talking about wasting food and animals dying for the sake of publicity. Just because Gaga is usually risky doesn't make her not risky (if you get what I meay).

And BTW was a risky album. Did you see the horns, the egg, GIVING BIRTH ON TV, singing about the man who betrayed Jesus. Umm have y'all even bought the album?

And no... Riri nor Beyonce would do that. Y'all just stans. Their thing is s-xiness. They would never go for that "ugly" look.

And Miley.. People would be like "ugh attention sekker much?". Everyone is tired of her already and her big break wasn't even a year ago.

And Katy? She's loose most of her fans if she stopped trying to be that beautiful princess type girl. The nine year olds would be out of her stanbase so fast.

So no. Nobody can do what Gaga does. Madonna sure but they take risks in different ways. So what Madonna does Gaga can't and vise versa.

[Tropico 4,145]

the delusion in this reply

How is Gaga not risky though. You're a madonna stan but just because she takes risks doesn't mean Gaga's are inferior. And your BTW selling 7 million. It was still a risk. Risk means it go either a great way (BTW case) or destroy you. So it's still a risk... Just one that paid off. And the meat dress... Were you the one who said it wasn't risky? It still is risky. I just commented on that now.

Please don't look down on Gaga just because she didn't release an album like Erotica. And Judas was a risk. BTW single too... That's why a lot of straight people are ashamed to like her. And Judas offended so many people. As well as Alejandro video. She ate a f--king rosary.

My comment came of a bit too b---hy now that I look at your past comments. But I still think that you are wrong is saying Gaga isn't risky.

[Stefani328 321]

How is Gaga not risky though. You're a madonna stan but just because she takes risks doesn't mean Gaga's are inferior. And your BTW selling 7 million. It was still a risk. Risk means it go either a great way (BTW case) or destroy you. So it's still a risk... Just one that paid off. And the meat dress... Were you the one who said it wasn't risky? It still is risky. I just commented on that now.

Please don't look down on Gaga just because she didn't release an album like Erotica. And Judas was a risk. BTW single too... That's why a lot of straight people are ashamed to like her. And Judas offended so many people. As well as Alejandro video. She ate a ****ing rosary.

My comment came of a bit too b---hy now that I look at your past comments. But I still think that you are wrong is saying Gaga isn't risky.

I stopped listening after some of the people on here said she didn't take risk especially with the BTW album. I can get people in other music forums that aren't Gaga fans to say BTW was a risk and to even ask why she would release an album like BTW so early in her career but her own fans don't think so.  :roll:

 

Did some of these people start following Gaga this month?

[Houdini 103]

How is Gaga not risky though. You're a madonna stan but just because she takes risks doesn't mean Gaga's are inferior. And your BTW selling 7 million. It was still a risk. Risk means it go either a great way (BTW case) or destroy you. So it's still a risk... Just one that paid off. And the meat dress... Were you the one who said it wasn't risky? It still is risky. I just commented on that now.

Please don't look down on Gaga just because she didn't release an album like Erotica. And Judas was a risk. BTW single too... That's why a lot of straight people are ashamed to like her. And Judas offended so many people. As well as Alejandro video. She ate a ****ing rosary.

My comment came of a bit too b---hy now that I look at your past comments. But I still think that you are wrong is saying Gaga isn't risky.

I will put something straight, I'm not a Madonna fan but I'm aware of her big career history, which some people here must learn it tbh.

 

What I was trying to say is everything Gaga did ''risky'' it was made a million time before her. It's not risky, it's provocative. There's a big nuance between both. Something risky is something never seen before at a large scale. 

[Tropico 4,145]

I will put something straight, I'm not a Madonna fan but I'm aware of her big career history, which some people here must learn it tbh.

What I was trying to say is everything Gaga did ''risky'' it was made a million time before her. It's not risky, it's provocative. There's a big nuance between both. Something risky is something never seen before at a large scale.

Has anyone ever done the meat dress? Has anyone ever done the comit art? Has anyone ever done born this way grammy performance? Has anyone ever wore wire like strands to something as important as the Grammys? Has anyone ever done anything like Judas? Maybe I don't know about it but I'm sure the meat dress was hers.

And just because it was done before (which a lot of stuff I doubt was done in the Gaga way) doesn't make it non-risky. Cheating on a test in which they are people in the room is risky. Done before but risky. It's the same with music and Gaga.

I'm sorry I confused you as a Madonna stan but you are paying Gaga dust rn. Like don't you think she deserves a bit more credit than you are giving her right now?

And by the way lots of artist reuse material from the past.. It doesn' make it less risky. It's quite hard to think of something effective and jaw dropping.

[Houdini 103]

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Of course Gaga accomplished a lot of things, but overall I don't see it as concrete risky things. It's a melange of provocation and strong idea affirmation. and of course it makes people think about it and left a very consternation impression but it's not risky since those subjects were already talking about at a bigger scale.

 

Anyway, this is my point of view, it doesn't mean it's the right one. no rancour buddy  

[Whispering 18,865]

I don't mean to be rude, but I think you're delusional if you consider the meat dress risky. It was a fashion piece worn on 1 night. Born this Way was risky because it was an entire album/era.

 

 

 

I agree about BTW being risky, but that era really started at the end of the TFM era, with the meat dress and the Alejandro MV.

 

Gaga explained in every interview after she wore the meat dress, that it was tied to her protest against the military's "Don't ask, don't tell" policy and was a statement against the governmental restrictions placed on the rights of gay soldiers. With her at the VMAs were four soldiers that had been discharged under the pretense of "Don't ask, don't tell".

 

Five days later, Gaga posted a message on YouTube urging the repeal of DADT. In it, she called out Senator John McCain, as well as Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and Sen. Jim Inhofe, a Republican from Oklahoma who opposed the repeal.

 

A week later, Lady Gaga spoke to supporters of gay rights gathered in Deering Oaks Park in Portland, Maine at a rally supporting the repeal of DADT. Supporters of a repeal were not sure they would have the 60 votes necessary to overcome a Republican filibuster. Maine had become the last-minute battleground for them because its two Republican senators, Susan Collins and Olympia J. Snowe, were publicly undecided on the issue.

 

This was four years ago, long before many of the changes that we have seen in the US recently concerning rights for the LGBT community. There was a huge chunk of US citizens that were mad as hell and completely opposed to the repeal of DADT.

 

You don't think this whole statement was risky for Gaga?  You don't think Gaga's strong public political activism for Gay rights wasn't risky in the US at a time when the conservatives knew they were fighting a losing battle?! That meant that they just dug in harder and their passion for hate grew and became more extreme!

 

If you don't think all of this was extremely risky for a US Pop star, I don't know what to tell you.

[Punky 15]

I will put something straight, I'm not a Madonna fan but I'm aware of her big career history, which some people here must learn it tbh.

What I was trying to say is everything Gaga did ''risky'' it was made a million time before her. It's not risky, it's provocative. There's a big nuance between both. Something risky is something never seen before at a large scale.

I'm not real sure what your deal is. Risky does not mean something never before seen on a large scale. Risky is taking actions where there is a risk of harm. If you don't think Gaga does things that could potentially hurt her image or profits then I don't know what to tell you. Maybe look closer at her career. I've heard several people cite the meat dress as the exact reason they don't like her. Same thing with Born This Way. She knew there was the potential for backlash, but she did it anyway.

[Houdini 103]

I'm not real sure what your deal is. Risky does not mean something never before seen on a large scale. Risky is taking actions where there is a risk of harm. If you don't think Gaga does things that could potentially hurt her image or profits then I don't know what to tell you. Maybe look closer at her career. I've heard several people cite the meat dress as the exact reason they don't like her. Same thing with Born This Way. She knew there was the potential for backlash, but she did it anyway.

Once again, and it's the last time I say it, it's my opinion and you have yours. No one is better. 

[Wet Fire 7,498]

I don't think so :huh:

[StrawberryBlond 14,862]

On the contrary, I think Gaga suffers more than her peers when she takes risks. Lately I've seen a lot of risk-taking with popstars and its mostly paid off. Bruno Mars's singles may not have been massive this time but his album sales were almost levelling with his debut's success despite it being nothing like what the public was making popular at the time. Rihanna released 2 very urban albums in the form of TTT and Unapologetic. Unapologetic especially only had one tune that you could dance to (and it wasn't even promoted or got a video when it became a single) and it was ballad heavy, something that's never been her strong point. Despite urban music not having the popularity it used to and Rihanna ballads not being her most successful, she got two big hits with her first two singles and the album's sold over 3 million worldwide and gave her the most profitable tour she's ever had. Then, of course, there's Beyonce's sudden midweek album release selling over 3 million in a few months and Drunk In Love almost hitting #1 in the US. Katy's success has been more hit and miss this time, but Dark Horse did very well for such a dark, trap-oriented song. Gaga, on the other other hand, takes risks but can't seem to catch a break.

 

I know if she released an album like Unapologetic or Prism, she'd have nowhere near the success those albums have had because anything Katy and Rihanna hawk has this amazing ability to sell regardless of how good or bad it is. As soon as you slap Gaga's name on a song now, it just removes all public support. To be honest, I can't see her career withstanding many more risks. Doesn't mean her career would end, I just mean she wouldn't be getting #1 singles or selling 5 million copies of an album. I see no reason why she shouldn't make public-friendly singles and an experimental album, though.