rivingtonrebels 245 Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 It's really just a fun pop album...it doesn't even genre trip that much tbh. It's basically an electro pop album with 1 song that has rappers (still with an electro breakdown) and one song thats (almost) purely a piano-fuelled ballad. The stuff Gaga did in Europe during the early promo was closer to what I think ARTPOP was supposed to be like. The Dali look in Berlin, the re-creations of statues and paintings throughout that little promo tour..that was more ARTPOP than everything else. The performance art with Marina. It just got all warped and confusing when DWUW was released. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VasilisVas 5,164 Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 The words were def way bigger than the actions this era. This x10000 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the shy guy 43 Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 Other than the app fiasco, the description of ARTPOP is pretty damned accurate. The substance, the concepts and the art is all there- it's just not in your face. It takes repeated listens and a--lysis of every little thing Gaga says and does. That is the album's downfall imo- people see her as a pop star, and her music as "not worthy" of being evaluated on a deeper level. That is why ARTPOP got as much hate as it did. Now the management this era has been messy, and that hurt her for sure- but the album itself delivered on it's concepts. I could ramble on forever, but I'll spare y'all and end here. /rant A-yo, A-yo..... We smokin' em all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpadesToStart 3,448 Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 I love Gaga, and I think she's given us some good stuff this era, but I truly think that for a long time beforehand and even well into the ARTPOP era, she no idea what ARTPOP meant. She said she had no idea what ARTPOP meant when the phrase first popped into her head during BTW, and that's literally why she wrote the lyric "my ARTPOP could mean anything". I think first she tried to go the artsy route with it, but then decided that didn't feel right. Finally she settled on that ARTPOP was creative rebellion and all about raving and having a fun pop album. I'm sure that without the pot-addiction, broken hip, and management drama, the concept for the next album will be much cleaner and more cohesive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 It's really just a fun pop album...it doesn't even genre trip that much tbh. It's basically an electro pop album with 1 song that has rappers (still with an electro breakdown) and one song thats (almost) purely a piano-fuelled ballad. The stuff Gaga did in Europe during the early promo was closer to what I think ARTPOP was supposed to be like. The Dali look in Berlin, the re-creations of statues and paintings throughout that little promo tour..that was more ARTPOP than everything else. The performance art with Marina. It just got all warped and confusing when DWUW was released. But all those things she did in Europe are part of ARTPOP and that's what's described in that statement. She said many times before that ARTPOP was a PROJECT not just an album, so all those collabs with artists, app etc are part of that project. She split with Troy so the app thing failed. And then came mess with singles. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larkin 100 Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 It's really just a fun pop album...it doesn't even genre trip that much tbh. It's basically an electro pop album with 1 song that has rappers (still with an electro breakdown) and one song thats (almost) purely a piano-fuelled ballad. The stuff Gaga did in Europe during the early promo was closer to what I think ARTPOP was supposed to be like. The Dali look in Berlin, the re-creations of statues and paintings throughout that little promo tour..that was more ARTPOP than everything else. The performance art with Marina. It just got all warped and confusing when DWUW was released. I was just thinking the other day that this trip and those projects was what made ARTPOP for me. Running around covered in white powder naked under a sheer sheet acting weird. I love it. And I live for the Dali look, my fave of the era. It all seemed very exploratory and sincere expressions. And while I love ARTPOP and all of the songs like MANiCURE, fashion, and jewels n d--gs feel too superficial to what some of the imagery of early ARTPOP promo suggested. Another moment that truly made her ARTPOP real for me was the SXSW performance, that sh*t was real and sincere. Honestly though she should do more of that naked fairy prancing though, that was amazing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagavsartpop 0 Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 EXACTLY. That promo photoshoot was everything that this era was supposed to be. The scaled back Gaga. Her on the computer chair, her with the prosthetic arm, her with the clear visor, her with the wigs... It was supposed to be this simplistic, clear vision. Even the Applause music video was in line with that (I mean, compare it to MTN). I don't know what happened that caused everything to fall apart. Um are you that big of a dumbass to not realize what made it all fall apart. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Wonka 4 Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 Um are you that big of a dumbass to not realize what made it all fall apart. dude you need to calm the **** down Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameron Dallas 11 Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 just a big LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 It still sounds very confusing, but I think it was fulfilled. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklistedd 599 Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 Nothing held up thematically but she tried to dodge getting that criticism from people by stating that "shes every icon" and that "my ARTPOP can mean anything". All I saw those statements as were cop outs so that she wouldn't have to have creative focus. Idk, she can be so much better yet she really puts all emphasis on being contrary and excessive instead of just solely making music and being dope. I commend her for always trying so hard but now im like, deliver. Look and make music that sounds more sophisticated. Pull the reins on the excess and the cheese and lets get real. *sidenote, sophisticated doesn't mean boring. sophisticated doesn't even have to mean serious or meaningful. i consider little boots and robyns music to be sophisticated and they just constantly dish out dope pop songs about the typical subject of love or whatever. I mean thats not groundbreaking or serious but they make really good quality pop music. now imagine if gaga made the same caliber of quality pop music along with the fact that she likes to push for out of the box concepts? gold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklistedd 599 Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 It's really just a fun pop album...it doesn't even genre trip that much tbh. It's basically an electro pop album with 1 song that has rappers (still with an electro breakdown) and one song thats (almost) purely a piano-fuelled ballad. The stuff Gaga did in Europe during the early promo was closer to what I think ARTPOP was supposed to be like. The Dali look in Berlin, the re-creations of statues and paintings throughout that little promo tour..that was more ARTPOP than everything else. The performance art with Marina. It just got all warped and confusing when DWUW was released. Had Venus been released instead the era wouldn't have been any less messy. DWUW was not released against Gagas will or judgement. I genuinely do not believe the change in single rifted the creative route of the era negatively. It was a great choice for a single. Blah blah blah. Straight up I just don't think she had much focus this era period even with the examples you mentioned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeleteMyAccount 11,881 Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 but isnt that what music and art already is?? thats so vague imo. thats like saying "ARTPOP ventures into the future of the industry with forte, as i create a strings of notes that convey a lyric, a thought if you will" Yes, exactly. It's just the way she stated it made it poetic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsterRocket 55 Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 I never understood that statement But whatever it meant, it looked like something revolutionary was happening...and it just didn't happen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jxckk 959 Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 Well in a way she kind of hit the nail on the head about being an electronic rage because lots of the sounds on the album is that. However, the message of ARTPOP has been so messy. We've had so many messages about it and its been so confusing for fans. I felt like she just started saying "ARTPOP could mean anything" because she didn't have a clue what it was about either. Back in 2012, my expectations were sky high towards the end of the year. Her look changed as if she was ready to move onto the next era. We had these types of looks that were stripped back but at the same time were very fresh and I was excited about it back then, she spoke about the idea of the decay of the popstar and performed "Princess Die" which seemed like it was going to be an album song and she said that the media had killed the blonde. She was starting to bring the message through in her image then. Example: Then that message started fading as we got into 2013 and we never really heard anything about ARTPOP for a while and then obviously the cancellation of the tour which sidetracked it. We'll never actually know what happened to that original concept for ARTPOP but it most likely has something to do with the record label not liking it. Then we got the promo photo in July and it started to look like we were back on track for this modern dance album in which she had this fresh and new simple image. She spoke about how she would relate ART to POP and was working with people like Marina Abramovic which made me think she was going to be really into art and delve deep into it. We got the demo for Aura and it was almost like she was going for this avant garde sound with really rough vocals and crazy sounds. She kept that going for most of the Applause era and then by the time October came she was all over the place in terms of image and the message was so lost in her image and her music seemed to be taking a backseat to her image again. Most of the looks she had could have easily been worn during the Born This Way era and it was confusing considering it started looking so fresh and then turned into something that we're already used to. The album came out, its an amazing album but I feel like a lot of the tracks she was really routing for weren't allowed on the album and the label went for the songs that sounded good as to sounding fresh and different. After that everyone just got really lost and now we have the artRAVE which probably relates more to the 2012 version of ARTPOP more than the one we got as back then she spoke about d--gs and the decay and disney princess gone wrong as influences. So all in all, I think management have totally sidetracked her and changed ARTPOP into something completely different than what it originally set out to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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