HANZ 4,380 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 9 users online 25046 members . My Favs = Lady Gaga, Janet Jackson, Ricky Martin, AKB48 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mast 980 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Do you people even know what chanteuse means, because Millie is not one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wet Fire 6,891 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 I see :popcorn: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagz 2,572 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 I never meant to start a war... I wasn't attacking Katy personally I hope she has a happy and amazing life, the same thing I wish to everyone. Show me a song DJWS or RedOne wrote all the lyrics to. They don't because they are producers not songwriters. If you can't write an entire song by yourself I don't consider you a songwriter. Comparing Katy's music to Gaga's music is like comparing Chris Brown's music to Michael Jackson's music. Basic v.s Quality. You're welcome. Katy has written entire songs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tokyodisko 0 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 lol. Gaga never copied a major shocking event that a fellow pop star did a MONTH before. Also, just because I think it's cheap of Katy to pull a stunt like this, that makes me jealous of her? P-lease. Coldplay and Gaga have sold over 100 million albums combined. Ghost Stories and ARTPOP were/are both #1 albums spawning hits. Their tours have both been in the list of the top 20 tours of the past decade. I'm not pressed about success at all. I just don't like Katy or her actions at the moment. Hasn't she? I mean, especially back in TF/TFM. haha She copied a lot of smaller artists. I brought up jealousy, because a lot of LMs seem threatened by Katy, same as Madonna stans feel about Gaga. There's no reason to get viscious either way. It's just pop music. No one will remember SXSW or Katy's video in a year aside from hardcore fans. It's pop culture. It gives and takes- Gaga included. I don't care that she included it tbh, but I think Gaga shouldn't have said anything about the props. Millie saying something and tagging her is a much better approach, but she should have done it when it first got big instead of waiting until now. Bonnie McKee says hi RedOne says hi for making Gaga blow up. :P Yes, he helps write. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babel 41,301 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 WHY are people arguing about songwritting in a thread about Katy Perry copying the vomit painting, Millie Brown's signature art? CLEARLY not trying HARD to bring down the accusations Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essence 174 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Hasn't she? I mean, especially back in TF/TFM. haha She copied a lot of smaller artists. I brought up jealousy, because a lot of LMs seem threatened by Katy, same as Madonna stans feel about Gaga. There's no reason to get viscious either way. It's just pop music. No one will remember SXSW or Katy's video in a year aside from hardcore fans. It's pop culture. It gives and takes- Gaga included. I don't care that she included it tbh, but I think Gaga shouldn't have said anything about the props. Millie saying something and tagging her is a much better approach, but she should have done it when it first got big instead of waiting until now. RedOne says hi for making Gaga blow up. :P Yes, he helps write. RedOne didn't write her hits. And if you think that, you shouldn't even be a fan anyway. Everyone knows Gaga writes her own songs, with help from producers on mainly the musical composition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tokyodisko 0 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 RedOne didn't write her hits. And if you think that, you shouldn't even be a fan anyway. Everyone knows Gaga writes her own songs, with help from producers on mainly the musical composition. She had help writing the lyrics. I'm not saying she doesn't write the basic lyrics and flow mostly by herself, but to deny that someone helps her write them, would just be ridiculous. She is a talented lyricist and that's what she stared as, but seriously... RedOne really helped with her lyrics on her biggest hits. You can hear it in the style. And they obviously worked together, because you can hear his and Gaga's influences in Venus. It's the same with Katy, she can just as well write a song solely by herself as Gaga can. That was my point. It might not be what you like, but she still writes the music she wants. They both do. McKee helped Katy as much as RedOne helped Gaga. There is nothing wrong with working with other lyricists. The ignorance and Gaga complex this fanbase has is obnoxious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essence 174 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 She had help writing the lyrics. I'm not saying she doesn't write the basic lyrics and flow mostly by herself, but to deny that someone helps her write them, would just be ridiculous. She is a talented lyricist and that's what she stared as, but seriously... RedOne really helped with her lyrics on her biggest hits. You can hear it in the style. And they obviously worked together, because you can hear his and Gaga's influences in Venus. It's the same with Katy, she can just as well write a song solely by herself as Gaga can. That was my point. It might not be what you like, but she still writes the music she wants. They both do. McKee helped Katy as much as RedOne helped Gaga. There is nothing wrong with working with other lyricists. The ignorance and Gaga complex this fanbase has is obnoxious. hit me up when Katy can write a song like Speechless, Dope, You and I, Bloody Mary, ARTPOP at the piano or anything lyrically complex for that matter If you actually think that Gaga and Katy have equal input in their songs and that Gaga doesn't do any more writing than Katy, then you are seriously, seriously mistaken. Also redOne has nothing to do with Venus? And Katy's songs writing credits list like 10 - 12 people while Gaga's either have just Gaga or Gaga and one or two producers. And like I said, they mostly help with the composition, which you seem to be ignoring. Katy on the other hand has purchased demos from artists and tweaked lyrics. Not even close to writing a song. :roll: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHGUY 230 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 The plastic bag bit written in Firework... I can believe Katy wrote that :creepflop: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tokyodisko 0 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 hit me up when Katy can write a song like Speechless, Dope, You and I, Bloody Mary, ARTPOP at the piano or anything lyrically complex for that matter If you actually think that Gaga and Katy have equal input in their songs and that Gaga doesn't do any more writing than Katy, then you are seriously, seriously mistaken. Also redOne has nothing to do with Venus? And Katy's songs writing credits list like 10 - 12 people while Gaga's either have just Gaga or Gaga and one or two producers. And like I said, they mostly help with the composition, which you seem to be ignoring. Katy on the other hand has purchased demos from artists and tweaked lyrics. Not even close to writing a song. :roll: They have completely different styles lyrically. How is that hard to accept? Should every artist write in the same style? That'd be boring as ****. She is completely different than Gaga. I do think Katy has some good older songs, Fingers, OOTB, Cup of Coffee, etc. Like I said, I don't really listen to her a lot, but I think the attitude that she's untalented is pathetic. She's not Gaga nor is she trying to be, she has a very different style and is fine with it. The fact that LMs obsess over it is just... I don't think they have equal input overall. I think they have the same input lyrically when they want it. Katy doesn't only take songs written by others. So what if she does? She's a pop star and she's number one. She's happy with her music and her freedom. I mentioned Venus, because it's clear that Gaga was influenced or even mentored in some ways by RedOne. We don't know that they mostly only help with composition- we know nothing of the back and forth that happens side from Gaga being highly involved and still learning production. Like I said, Katy is a classic pop star, she likes that. She's not pretending to be more, so the obsession with dragging her is stupid. If Gaga was on top, no one would even care. Demos are used a lot in pop. Gaga used to create them. Katy is a pop star. Get over it. Because she does that doesn't mean she isn't talented in her own ways. Besides, Donatella's instrumental says hi. That was a demo Gaga liked and wrote uninspired lyrics over. So what if Katy likes a song and most of the lyrics? She pays and gives credit to the songwriters. Her job is a singer/performer. Songwriters need singers and pop stars to make a living. It's the music industry. She doesn't have to do it all to be number one and she doesn't want to or have to want to. Why is that bad? It's not. The plastic bag bit written in Firework... I can believe Katy wrote that Whoever did.... :toofloppy: But then Gaga has gems like "gorgeousness of my face" and he verses in Donatella. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHGUY 230 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 They have completely different styles lyrically. How is that hard to accept? Should every artist write in the same style? That'd be boring as ****. She is completely different than Gaga. I do think Katy has some good older songs, Fingers, OOTB, Cup of Coffee, etc. Like I said, I don't really listen to her a lot, but I think the attitude that she's untalented is pathetic. She's not Gaga nor is she trying to be, she has a very different style and is fine with it. The fact that LMs obsess over it is just... I don't think they have equal input overall. I think they have the same input lyrically when they want it. Katy doesn't only take songs written by others. So what if she does? She's a pop star and she's number one. She's happy with her music and her freedom. I mentioned Venus, because it's clear that Gaga was influenced or even mentored in some ways by RedOne. We don't know that they mostly only help with composition- we know nothing of the back and forth that happens side from Gaga being highly involved and still learning production. Like I said, Katy is a classic pop star, she likes that. She's not pretending to be more, so the obsession with dragging her is stupid. If Gaga was on top, no one would even care. Demos are used a lot in pop. Gaga used to create them. Katy is a pop star. Get over it. Because she does that doesn't mean she isn't talented in her own ways. Besides, Donatella's instrumental says hi. That was a demo Gaga liked and wrote uninspired lyrics over. So what if Katy likes a song and most of the lyrics? She pays and gives credit to the songwriters. Her job is a singer/performer. Songwriters need singers and pop stars to make a living. It's the music industry. She doesn't have to do it all to be number one and she doesn't want to or have to want to. Why is that bad? It's not. Whoever did.... :toofloppy: But then Gaga has gems like "gorgeousness of my face" and he verses in Donatella. I like that line in Aura.... And Donatella is pure satire. Still better than that line in Firework though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tokyodisko 0 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 I like that line in Aura.... And Donatella is pure satire. Still better than that line in Firework though You're also very biased. Outside of the fanbase it's a complete laughing stock. Yes, Donatella is obviously satire, but that doesn't make it good. Fame was better satire and most people think TF was basic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterAndGrease 594 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 discusting trend... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celina 118 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 We don't know that they mostly only help with composition- we know nothing of the back and forth that happens side from Gaga being highly involved and still learning production. We do know a bit.. Fernando Garibay said this in an interview a while back: She doesn't need anyone to write a hit song. A lot of times, it’s 100% her. She's generous enough to give the producers who worked on this album a percentage of the songwriting for the production and whatever contributions we gave in arrangement or a few lyrical suggestions here and there. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/lady-gaga-producer-making-born-193459 Maybe that doesn't go for every album, but it gives us an idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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