blacklistedd 599 Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 They were. Bad Romance is catchy, has "iconic" gaga lyrics, a killer music video and released after a worldwide smash era. Bad Romance now is considered to have "iconic" gaga lyrics. Upon first listen you're kind of like wtf is this? When I first heard it thats what I thought. I had the same reaction to it that I had to What You Waiting For by Gwen Stefani. They're so good and different sounding that they take a second to resonate. I feel like Applause was the same as well the only difference is that its not as accessible as Bad Romance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Better Day 5,766 Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Do What You Want was a big... mess..... a song about rape... to the naked ear.. featuring a man who is hated by the GP.. because he peed on women..... I mean it's a good song.. but..................................... I believe it is another stab at her career... Proves my point , I believe that is the other meaning Together You And I! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon 457 Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Al these don't make them safe. Bad Romance was a huge risk back then. Where are the arguments. What makes BR so risky? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
britneylopez99 0 Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 She's not tho. Calling her music "art" is definitely not a safe move. Not that her work isn't "art" cause imo it is, but the GP certainly does not see her music as art and neither do i Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leoj 2 Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 You and I was only released because of Adele's success.. gaga herself said it.. she fought her label to release sheissa instead.. but they said no and released you and I, since adele's ballads were erupting in success............... Applause is not safe.. it sounds like nothing else on radio.. the lyrics were very different.. but it brougth back TFM gaga in terms of sound just a bit.. unfortunately.. she ****ed it up with DWUW............. Venus might have done better..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklistedd 599 Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Do What You Want was a big... mess..... a song about rape... to the naked ear.. featuring a man who is hated by the GP.. because he peed on women..... I mean it's a good song.. but..................................... I believe it is another stab at her career... Its not about rape to the naked ear. The publics supposed hatred for R. Kelly is so bipolar, one minute they're praising him for that Locked In the Closet thing and they're singing along to Ignition. Then Gaga works with him and suddenly everyone decides hes an abomination and they hate him. I mean its not that coincidental. Do What U Want is one of Gagas smartest and best singles, it didn't do well (A) because the public does not want to consume her and (B) because they don't want to consume her they used R. Kelly's scandal as a means to justify a reason to talk **** and not support her Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tokyodisko 0 Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 I was judging Applause as a song,not as a strategy or a single (which I think was a great choice). If the song was released back in TFM or early BTW days it would have smashed imo. Anyway the song is still a lead single and I am very happy with it. I think it would have too and reminds me of a combo between TF and BTW, but I think the negatively and "eh" feeling of the lyrics came from Gaga being out of the spotlight for so long. People thought "Gurl needs to earn that applause before she sings about it". That's not something she would have had to worry about in the other eras. But it's over with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklistedd 599 Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Where are the arguments. What makes BR so risky? You've been conditioned to believe shes provided nothing more than mediocrity to the pop world. Yes Bad Romance is catchy and is very accessible and its characteristics have become a Gaga staple and what we want and expect from her. But what made it different is the fact that its so Gaga while still being very accessible. The vocals are odd, the lyrics are kind of odd, the instrumental isn't exactly commonplace. But it all came together to create something that sounds universal and familiar. Like I said, at first listen you're like wtf is this. It takes a second to resonate. Thats when you know someones created something different, its a great pop song. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VforVendetta 2,024 Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Where are the arguments. What makes BR so risky?Everything actually. The lyrics and the structure alone were something very different back then Even the video. Don't look at it from today. Back in 2009 everything about Bad Romance was extremely polarizing. Gaga took the risk and succeed and this is why you today think that Bad Romance is safe since it smashed. The song was the opposite of safe back then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tokyodisko 0 Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 oh....my....****ing....god relatability has nothing to do with anything. monsters need to stop acting like that is a legitimate argument to make. For top 40? Sure. More LM argue that things are relatable, so have fun with that. Look at the top 10. Sex and love are 90% of the songs. Otherwise you need good lyrics and a good beat, which AP lacked imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpadesToStart 3,448 Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 I think releasing Venus would have been "playing it safe" for Gaga. Futuristic sound, catchy chorus, weird lyrics...while the GP might never be used to it, those things are certainly been-there-done-that for Gaga. I think releasing DWUW was more of a risk for her. She crossed over from pop into straight-up R&B. While DWUW might not have a "shock factor" like a song like MJH, it really challenged Gaga musically and gave her a whole new sound. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklistedd 599 Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 For top 40? Sure. More LM argue that things are relatable, so have fun with that. Look at the top 10. Sex and love are 90% of the songs. Otherwise you need good lyrics and a good beat, which AP lacked imo. The reason the relatability argument is bull**** is because look at her track record. By your and everyone elses logic who pulls that card, Paparazzi is not "relatable" yet its one of her signature hits. Poker Face and Bad Romance's lyrics are practically nonsense to the "naked ear", yet ultimately they struck a chord. Applause didn't strike the same chord, not because relatability played a factor, but because for a comeback single at first listen it came off kind of weak. ARTPOP the album has radio ready potential singles, the problem is the public does not want to consume Lady Gaga. They have a perception of her that she helped create and they oppose it. Even if you think AP is filled with mediocrity, so is Top 40. So theres no reason her singles shouldn't do better, its just because shes Lady Gaga. She needed to come back with something drastic and she didn't therefore people looked the other way. But it didn't mean what she created was lacking hooks and accessible production. Its not the music that is the main problem, its her approach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VforVendetta 2,024 Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 I think it would have too and reminds me of a combo between TF and BTW, but I think the negatively and "eh" feeling of the lyrics came from Gaga being out of the spotlight for so long. People thought "Gurl needs to earn that applause before she sings about it". That's not something she would have had to worry about in the other eras. But it's over with.I agree that the blackout did the major damage but I don't think that it had anything to so with Applause, the public accepted the song very well tbh. The blackout just damaged Gaga because during BTW era she did major damage to her image and the blackout was too big. The hype around a release from her was huge in end of 2012 when she announced the title. Its not her fault that she broke her hip of course, its just that things didn't go well for her. I feel like everything went wrong since the beginning of BTW Era, it was like Karma for her huge success. The Madonna comparisons, the Judas leak, the TEOG video, You and I bad choice, her hip etc and I won't even start with ARTPOP. Gaga undoubtedly did many bad choices the last two Eras. I am very optimistic that things will go well for her again though, she deserves it after all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 I don't think she's exactly playing it safe, but I voted yes because I like when she doesn't play safe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropico 4,145 Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Gaga only played safe in TF + TFM days. She was giving the GP just what they wanna hear. Then BTW is when she actually started taking risks (so worth it tbh) by sending a message and making an impact. ARTPOP is also risky. And it sends a message it's just when people hear art they instantly turn away from it. The thing is with AP is people had to think to actually enjoy it. That makes it risky. + the lyrical content as well as the heavy EDM sound. So I think you should be asking is "Should Gaga Continue playing it Risky?" And omg "Applause is the weakest track on ARTPOP". You obviously haven't bought artpop yet with all due respect. ♢ Social Justice Enthusiast ♢ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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