Does Gaga need a 10 year break?

[Ziggy 10,362]

11 hours ago, iandunham said:

i wanted to reply to all this but i don't even know what to start with 

 

let's say gaga needs to chill the **** out and let HER PEOPLE DO THE JOB SHE HIRES THEM FOR, and I'm saying it just because of her, you need to plan the era WELL, to sit from second 1 with your record label, etc., probably because of her insecurities to record all the videos for the singles (and select them all FIRST) and plan the release dates no matter how successful or flop they are, to have the concept lines completely defined (how will you dress like, by who, coherence, appearances, everything, like when you get prepared for the opening of an exhibition you'll not be able to modify once it's started), and most of all, stop pretending to make everything EPIC and "the deepest":

this is actually one of the most important things, i think you guys were talking about this right on this forum few days ago, about how miley's last songs just sound more... honest? real? and not pretending to call gaga or Joanne fake, but, exactly, it's just "TOO sold" as something SO DEEP, SO MEANINGFUL, SO HER AUNT, SO HER BECOMING NUDE MUSICALLY, and this happened also with ARTPOP, SO ARTISTIC, SO MINDBLOWING, and with Born This Way, SO THE ALBUM OF THE DECADE (and actually it is for me lol, because of the meaning it has in my life, it really changed it, but you know what i mean, even if she's right, you can't make up all you do like this, because the market is the market, not your whole fanbase, and even your fans can see what you do differently). well, I'm starting to get far of the point; my point is that gaga is an amazing person that thinks very big, something that is good for when you create and give birth to concepts, but when you apply all this, you can't oversell, overexpose, over-get-inspired-whatever. we all know gaga's been compared with a loooot of artists, with living (and dead) legends, sometimes because of her, because she did similar things, she works similar, she wants promo and then uses this polemic... anyway. WHAT GAGA NEEDS is to stop focusing her career into OTHERS and into being to the level of the highest expectations, she needs to RELAX, and just do the things as they flow from her brain to the fingers, and from her fingers to the notebook.

 

let's take a look in her albums: the fame was the debut album, she had time to prepare it and years to promote it while she released the fame monster, also well prepared and produced. then she got experimental with born this way, but here starts the problem: too much. too much of everything. less in the music; actually it is probably the most coherent thing in the album even knowing how different government hooker, hair, the queen, bad kids are in between. they're different but they can get related in some ways, especially in the lyrics, they have all a cohesive message and meaning. but what about THE IMAGE. the cover was supposed to mean the touring, life on the road, then you get the aliens in the first video. then religious polemic with judas. then the siren was supposed to be the central pillar in the edge of glory video, surprise, a fight, cancelled. then recycle it for yoü and i, then a music biopic for marry the night. I MEAN. all makes sense separately, and actually, in the end you can say all mean the same in the end: acceptance, the society refusing you in different conditions, but it's just all bad planned when you develop the era. and the concrete point i wanted to mark: i don't remember if it was bloody mary, that was supposed to be for the fame monster, but ok, let's leave it here for later.

then ARTPOP. where do we start. applause, ok single, video too simple for a comeback from a cancelled tour etc., then another cancelled video with do what you want, the single that they chose probably in the last minute watching how people liked it on the internet, just like it happened with the edge of glory during born this way era. then silence, no news. then a supervideo for GUY, and Venus,... LATE. The sound: overproducing half of the album because you had to gut it months before during itunes festival. azealia collab cancelled, Jewels N' Drugs that sounds like a plaything instrumental, aura with infected mushroom with a different sound, gipsy and dope that are also a different sound, zedd and djws being probably less distant on this, but again, going back to the bloody mary's point and remembering ARTPOP ACT II: no. clear. and. fully. developed. concept. a lot of changes, discards, re-re-makes, too many collaborations, too many production. i think you get what i mean.

then cheek to cheek: the funny part. it's cheek to cheek the best prepared gaga's era? i think so, and it came in the perfect moment.

but then, joanne. what was exactly the concept of this album? because yes, it's dedicated to (and talks about) her aunt, but it also talks about fibromyalgia, masturbation, her wedding not happening (diamond heart), feminism,... all is perfect, but again, with no cohesion, i listen to joanne and i'm so sorry but i don't feel it as solid as it should be: gaga sounds great, the lyrics, the work is deep and amazing, and beautiful... but i don't feel the country -or whatever you want to call it like- vibe. then going back to miley, i listen to younger now and even malibu that is so simple, and I LOVE that songs (note: i never followed her and i'm a wrecking ball hater, just in case you think this is because i'm a fan or whatever). the florence welch collab... i find it just EXTRA, i'm sorry, i don't undestand what gaga wanted to do in that song, her voice doesn't even fit for me in there, and the instrumental, all, i dont know... its weird, i dont know if anyone understands what i want to say, and i'm getting nervous lol because this is soooo long and probably boring.

and before ending, the tour dvds. the terry richardson documentary. simpler things like not signing for your own interludes to be able to use them on the monster ball tour dvd. announcing videos that will never come. ARTPOP act 2. and some other minor things.

i think every artist has a lot of brainstorming, amazing ideas and projects they never do, but this is why you have to keep them for you first, then analyze them, and keep with the ones you know by 100% you'll be able to do them or fit them in your next step. you have to FOCUS on a project (an album in this case), to make it FOR YOURSELF.

Gaga needs to do THE THINGS FOR HERSELF. And even if she says she's doing it, SHE'S COMPLETELY LYING. And I don't mean it as a bad thing, but we all know she wants to to her best, to be AMAZING, but she needs to understand that she achieves that being HERSELF, that is how she won us, not doing what will please the media, or what will break last madonna's record, or what will be more groundbreaking than whoever's last tour.

 

I'm sorry it's 3:20 am and i have the train to barcelona in 5 hours, then later i was supposed to see her in concert, i'm just not sleepy and bored-now overthinking. just want to make clear this statement: i love gaga, and as i'm not in my "biggest little monster phase", i'm still supporting her and i'll always will, but i just feel how she looses strength because all this things, and it annoys me the most exactly because i know she's already a legend and she has EVERYTHING she needs to do PERFECT eras, to develop them PERFECTLY, and she fails in something as stupid as listen to her original concept and the people she chose by herself. And the worst is that we know we could do it better with her, the decisions with everything: me, you, almost anyone on gagadaily; about which single is better, which change in some demos was better or not,... and not altering her concept and the final product but all the edits and bad decisions when it's all released and promoted... 

 

well, i stop here, i'm sorry for my mistakes if this message has a lot of them, i actually never studied english outside secondary school, i was drunk on dinner and now my brain is just messy. lol nvm

 

EDIT: OMG KILL ME THIS IS THE WHOLE BIBLE I KNOW NO ONE'S GONNA READ THIS, I WOULD NEVER 

Read the Joanne bit and I don't think the issue is marketing; it's that the sound is clearly neutered from what it was originally conceived as in order to maybe appeal to pop radio. Same goes for ARTPOP. A big issue Gaga's had the last few years is that she wants to expand her musical palette but her label still needs her to maintain a certain pop identity and I don't know how good she is at synthesizing both together. I love both albums, but I think we can all agree that they are not sonically 100% what she had in mind just going off of how she has described them before they get released. ARTPOP was "electronic rage and fury" or something like that, we sort of got that but with a little pop watering it down. It isn't necessarily that she builds it up but that how she sees it in her mind is as she originally conceived it, if you ask me.

[Shuaib Yunus Soni 1]

I think I'm okay with the (likely) fact that Gaga will never be relevant in pop music again. I just want her to never stop making music. I don't need to see her have a new career peak, I dont need to see her outdo Bad Romance or the Meat Dress or any of it. She's nothing left to prove. She's cemented herself as a legend and cultural mega-force. She's done so much. But, I'll always want new music. Her talent and her voice make my world a better place, and I'll always want more of it. 

Additionally, I believe wholeheartedly that if Gaga truly wanted to remain on the Pop throne, she could've easily churned out hits in the vein of her peak-era songs. She could've sold out. Instead, like a true artist, she followed her artistic whims, despite that they led her to commercial pitfalls, she stuck with her vision, she fought tooth and nail for ARTPOP, and she fearlessly put out the Joanne album that was utterly alien to the current mainstream sound. Her artistic integrity and bravery (like the endless list of other things about her) is inspiring. 

[Ada 1,665]

I wouldn't mind if she NEEDED it (I mean yes I would want to die and would be a little bit disappointed but if it's for her health I'm okay), but 10 years is just too much.

She doesn't need it, we don't need it, the GP don't need 10 years to awake and realize how amazing she still is (and they were amazed with JWT). Nobody needs it and nobody wants it 

[TheRoof 21,600]

10 hours ago, MyQueen said:

Madonna had only one tour in the 90s and she gave us the best material in pop music and her career.

Blond Ambition Tour 1990

The Girlie Show  1993

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3 hours ago, Creyk said:

she is already never going to get a hit again and she thinks she is too good for features

We will never have to worry about the success of her carreer again.

Where did you buy your crystal ball?

[boyerased 2,759]

Even she couldn't take a break that long. She is an artist. This is what she lives for. There will be an itch for her to start creating something before long. For me I'd like her to slow it down next year, maybe just feature in a song or two then come back full force in 2019. One more blockbuster album to secure her legacy and she can settle down. After that she could explore whatever sound she wants to without the compromise of having to mind of it being pop. If you're listening to Radiohead, I'm hoping for her OK Computer before her Kid A.

[DeanWinchester 41,390]

1 hour ago, bleed dior said:

Where did you buy your crystal ball?

That user has been a debbie downer since PI release

[MonsterOfSpain 8,275]

Is Donald Trump a good president? 

[JupiterDrive 2,788]

a 41 year old dressing like a cray people will call her a sad woman 

or she will have a smashing comeback like nelly furtado

[monster4life231 4,304]

nty honey boo

[mezzanine 473]

3 hours ago, Shuaib Yunus Soni said:

I think I'm okay with the (likely) fact that Gaga will never be relevant in pop music again. I just want her to never stop making music. I don't need to see her have a new career peak, I dont need to see her outdo Bad Romance or the Meat Dress or any of it. She's nothing left to prove. She's cemented herself as a legend and cultural mega-force. She's done so much. But, I'll always want new music. Her talent and her voice make my world a better place, and I'll always want more of it. 

Additionally, I believe wholeheartedly that if Gaga truly wanted to remain on the Pop throne, she could've easily churned out hits in the vein of her peak-era songs. She could've sold out. Instead, like a true artist, she followed her artistic whims, despite that they led her to commercial pitfalls, she stuck with her vision, she fought tooth and nail for ARTPOP, and she fearlessly put out the Joanne album that was utterly alien to the current mainstream sound. Her artistic integrity and bravery (like the endless list of other things about her) is inspiring. 

Yes, but the problem is that if her fame decreases it also does her budget for tours, audiovisual content,... 

[MaryJaneHolland 77,348]

19 hours ago, MarlonBrando7 said:

she only need a REINVENTION of sound and image and she'll be fine 

TALENT ALWAYS WIN at the end 

That's exactly what Joanne was

[Slayer 9,227]

10 years?  

[MaryJaneHolland 77,348]

19 hours ago, DeanWinchester said:

 Nothing Gaga can do will shock people anymore

I don't really agree with this

[MaryJaneHolland 77,348]

19 hours ago, ryanripley said:

and yet joanne was a huge success

I live for your positivity, but I'd rather say Joanne was success. 'Huge' is a bit of a reach