Madonna vs Peaches

[popkulture 501]

People are generally really sexist towards Madonna expressing her sexuality for her age, this discourse had popped up more with her anticipated new album and the rumors of her "scandalous" new video.

However, Peaches, who is nearly 60, just came out with a raunchy album and is famous for her explicit lyrics and performances. 

It's interesting to see how Peaches is celebrated by the queer community with her vulgarness being embraced, and yet Madonna gets criticized and yet she's nowhere near as "raunchy" or explicit as Peaches. To be clear: I'm both a Madonna AND a Peaches fan. It's fasciniating to me how one is celebrated and the other is condemned, yet they share a similar age bracket. Perhaps it's because Peaches remains an underground artist while Madonna is a global superstar. Still, curious to hear thoughts. 

So, how do you feel about Peaches vs Madonna when it comes to expressing sexuality in your later years? Why is one more accepted than the other?

Discuss. 

[NUTELLA 18,955]

6 minutes ago, popkulture said:

It's fasciniating to me how one is celebrated and the other is condemned, yet they share a similar age bracket. Perhaps it's because Peaches remains an underground artist while Madonna is a global superstar.

Definitely a matter of exposure, like you say. One is celebrated by a small niche of people, because her music never reached a wider audience, because it's mid at best (sorry)

The other is heavily scrutinized, because she caught the attention of the entire world, because her music was accessible & boundary-pushing at the same time

Edited 23 hours ago by NUTELLA

[elijahfan 27,083]

I think you've answered your own question: Madonna is much more global than Peaches. I doubt anyone who knows and enjoys Peaches would be Madonna detractors, so I'm not sure there's any double standard to discuss here.

[Louvre 4,367]

I mean, I think generally the queer community is not the problem when it comes to ageism against madonna. 

Anyone in the community shaming madonna is probably a low vibrational gay who doesn't have enough swag to know who peaches is. 

[elsamars 7,158]

People love to hate Madonna because it gives them a sense of power.

[weed 77,151]

A poor person saying "all of you are peasants" is different than a rich person saying the same thing. I feel like that is how I view this situation. 

[LateToCult 41,295]

Peaches as in LovelyPeaches?

[Lucas 29,317]

It's just that people love to hate on Madonna, particularly on this forum 

[Nemo 4,365]

24 minutes ago, LateToCult said:

Peaches as in LovelyPeaches?

No.

 

 

Edited 22 hours ago by Nemo

[StrawberryBlond 15,214]

Being an indie artist will always cause you to be treated differently. Underground and raunchy acts like Peaches are appreciated by a niche audience at any age. Most of the world isn't aware she exists, her biggest moment of exposure was having a blink and you miss it song feature in Mean Girls that most people barely noticed as it was so subtle. If she were much more famous, she'd absolutely be criticised in the same manner as Madonna. It's one of the freedoms and plus points of being an indie act. Being underground is one of the few spaces mostly free of sexism and ageism. 

[lance13 1,209]

23 hours ago, elsamars said:

People love to hate Madonna because it gives them a sense of power.

I never really thought of it this way, but I agree with it 100%.