ATRL insider Mr. S claims the track length of “Runway” is 2:51

[Ladle Ghoulash 45,675]

1 hour ago, Bradley said:

I mean Sine from Above and Come to Mama are long but it's not like you guys are streaming it 

Both are better than one of her shortest tracks (Sour Candy)

[Ladle Ghoulash 45,675]

32 minutes ago, Lord Mayhem said:

Gagas best songs tend to be slightly shorter...most recently Alice comes to mind 

The concept of Alice (one of her worse songs in recent memory) being one of her best 

 

[Ladle Ghoulash 45,675]

45 minutes ago, TimotheeChalamet said:

I really don't see the problem as long as it's longer than Sour Candy 

A song that is somehow both theoretically too short, yet functionally too long (it should be 0 seconds long)

[GAYHEMikey 8,216]

1 hour ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

less than 3-4 min was probably the 50s-60s.

Yes and that was due to the length of the tapes they recorded on back in the day. You can see how songs on albums got significantly longer in the 70s when they were finally able to record longer music. 
 

 

[SpiritBunny 3,679]

That’s not even short lol. Charlis Good ones is 2:15. 

[REALITY 79,804]

1 hour ago, Bradley said:

I mean Sine from Above and Come to Mama are long but it's not like you guys are streaming it 

Maybe you're not, cause they're some of my favorite songs from both respective albums

Edited April 8 by REALITY

[Roboboy 3,867]

3 hours ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

I mean, most pop songs from 1970s-2010s have been roughly 3.5-4 min lol. The only eras I can think of when pop songs were, on average, less than 3-4 min was probably the 50s-60s. So, yeah, it’s been the unspoken norm for some time now, actually.

though I don't think this is true I also should slap myself on the wrist for getting into a conversation about song lengths in the first place which is already almost totally meaningless and pointless when the only valuable metric of time to view music is measures and bars 

Edited April 8 by Roboboy

[Kincaidgilmore 43]

I’ve had sex that was shorter so this is alright for me

[Ladle Ghoulash 45,675]

40 minutes ago, Roboboy said:

though I don't think this is true I also should slap myself on the wrist for getting into a conversation about song lengths in the first place which is already almost totally meaningless and pointless when the only valuable metric of time to view music is measures and bars 

It’s observably true. Per a UCLA study into average pop song length by decade, they found the average pop song in the 1970s-1980s was just over 4 min. The average pop song in the 1990s was about 4.3 min and the 2010s were when they began to trend slightly downward back to 4 min. Now, in the 2020s, the average pop song length still is about 3.3 min (making this track shorter than average).
 

I also don’t really think the most meaningful metric is measures or bars, tbh. I think, ultimately, it’s a question of how efficiently that time is used, how much ground is covered, and how much of an impact it has. I’m not categorically against shorter pop songs, but I also appreciate when a song has more space to breathe and I find Gaga specifically tends to write better when she gives herself at least 3.5min.

Edited April 8 by Ladle Ghoulash

[elegidadedios 4,559]

3 hours ago, MarvinGa said:

We got a full album with +3 minutes songs last year. 

It’s time for a streaming/TikTok era with short and commercial songs. 

I'm sorry but if she decides to release LG8 following that formula with songs under 3 min I'll be the first one to drag her ass on this site (something I never do)

Edited April 8 by elegidadedios

[elegidadedios 4,559]

4 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

It’s observably true. Per a UCLA study into average pop song length by decade, they found the average pop song in the 1970s-1980s was just over 4 min, the average pop song in the 1990s was about 4.5 min, and the 2010s were when they began to trend slightly downward back to 4 min and in the 2020s, the average pop song length still is about 3.5min. I also don’t really think the metric is measures or bars, tbh. I think, ultimately, it’s: how efficiently is that time used, how much ground is covered, and how much of an impact it has. I’m not categorically against shorter pop songs, but I also appreciate when a song has more space to breathe and I find Gaga specifically tends to write better when she gives herself at least 3.5min.

You explained it really well but from my uneducated point of view on the matter, I'd simply say shorter pop songs tend to eliminate intros/outros/make shorter choruses and, basically, placing tracks on an underwhelming feeling because of all of that. One of the biggest strengths on MAYHEM was precisely jumping off that trend and going back to longer songs

[elegidadedios 4,559]

1 hour ago, REALITY said:

Maybe you're not, cause they're some of my favorite songs from both respective albums

Taste came in

[Ladle Ghoulash 45,675]

1 minute ago, elegidadedios said:

You explained it really well but from my uneducated point of view on the matter, I'd simply say shorter pop songs tend to eliminate intros/outros/make shorter choruses and, basically, placing tracks on an underwhelming feeling because of all of that. One of the biggest strengths on MAYHEM was precisely jumping off that trend and going back to longer songs

Yeah, I think that’s right. Kind of a blue balling feeling tbh. One of the reasons why LD is kind of underwhelming to me is the lack of bridge. Diva’s gotta give the song somewhere to go!

(The only reason I leaned into stats was because this user was trying to say the trend I described wasn’t accurate btw lol)

[elegidadedios 4,559]

1 minute ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

(The only reason I leaned into stats was because this user was trying to say the trend I described wasn’t accurate btw lol)

Yeah I know you're my well educated sister 

[clownery 7,614]

3 hours ago, Bradley said:

I mean Sine from Above and Come to Mama are long but it's not like you guys are streaming it 

Why would I do that