Liza Talks Gaga Oscar Moment in New Memoir

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56 minutes ago, elijahfan said:

I understand why she would still be salty about the whole situation, but I also don't think Gaga or the Oscars had any ill intention towards her. If anything, it was just an unfortunate series of circumstances.

Of course she's free to feel however she wants, but it actually seems like she's more mad at the fact that she's not in the best of shape anymore, which was painfully obvious on live TV, and she's trying to find a way to come out bigger from the incident. It really feels like the ego talking, and throwing people who had your best interests at heart under the bus isn't that gracious, if I'm being totally honest.

But I do adore her still, and am saddened she felt that way and still does.

cuz as much as i hate to say it, its probably her last time to appear on that event

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1 hour ago, Borisapillar said:

Fair, but we have no idea what happened backstage that led to this moment. Something tells me it was pretty rough.

Yeah, as a lot of other folks have said, if Liza was having trouble with the director’s chair or was having difficulty getting around, I can see why Gaga would both want to ensure that Liza was safe and that there wouldn’t be an incident on stage with Liza falling out of the chair. The truth is either that Liza’s being a little bullish and proud (because, let’s face it, most older people understandably feel insecure about age related physical decline) or that the Academy and Gaga were being a bit overly cautious and infantilizing. Tbh, wouldn’t be surprised if the truth were something in the middle.
 

Genuinely hard to say, but I do think that the Academy could’ve done more to make her more comfortable in the moment, but I believe that Gaga also had the best of intentions even if Liza felt her behavior was unnecessarily cloying or coddling. 

Edited February 20 by Ladle Ghoulash

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Clearly the Academy wanted the big walk on 'moment' of Liza coming on the stage which was why a wheelchair was used. If she's just randomly plonked on a directors chair off camera, you don't get that moment of 'arrival', even though I understand her frustration.

From Gaga's perspective though, what did Liza expect her to do? Continue letting her struggle and fumbling over her words or help her out?? If that's Gaga being wheeled onto a stage at the Oscars in 40 years time making a mess up of her lines, I'd hope whoever she's with still lauds her like she did and helps her out graciously rather than leave her struggling. 

Liza is probably just embarrassed by it all and it depends how you read into it as to whether or not she is shading Gaga. The Billboard article reads it more favourable towards her: https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/liza-minnelli-explains-lady-gaga-moment-2022-oscars-memoir-1236183730/

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1 hour ago, elijahfan said:

Gurl... Liza is being sarcastic there.

Oh you’re right, guess I didn’t read it properly.  Oh well, that hag already one foot in the grave

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The references to Gaga are 100% shade.

The X post says that Liza says that Gaga refused to go on unless Liza was in a wheelchair, but the Variety story doesn't say that. Have Variety just chosen not to include that bit or did the X-poster just make it up ?

Both X and Variety have the bit about Gaga not missing a beat to play the kindhearted hero for all the world to see, and that is clearly meant as sarcasm/shade, and to be honest it would lack a bit of context if Liza hadn't already said that Gaga had insisted that she be in the wheelchair. So my guess is that Liza's memoir will say that Gaga insisted she be in the wheelchair, and the whole piece will paint Gaga in a bad light.

Is it accurate ? Did Gaga actually say that ? Who knows, you'd have to have been there. You'd need to know everything that was said, and you'd need to know what was Liza's condition immediately before they went on. Yes she seemed confused on stage, but what condition was she in before that ?

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Let's not lose sight of the fact that these memoirs were most likely written by a ghostwriter, perhaps someone who doesn't like Gaga or who wants to spice things up a bit so that the publication of these memoirs will make headlines.

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2 hours ago, gagzus said:

i read it more as she was p*ssed she couldn't see the teleprompter properly, and felt a bit infantized by Gaga even if Gaga meant well. 

Yeah I mean to be honest how is Gaga to know what’s happening in her head lol they probably weren’t anywhere near each other and got together last second and Ga was trying to just be nice but when you’re mad af bc of being treated like an invalid then someone treats you very kindly and dotingly as though you are…yeah it’s salt but not the wound itself

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X (Twitter) is going crazy all about blaming Gaga for this. Some of you too...

Liza is not mad at Gaga, she is mad at the person at the Oscars who made a choice that she needs to be in a wheelchair. Gosh... 🤭

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24 minutes ago, Obobo said:

Oh well, that hag already one foot in the grave

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You cant do right for wrong. Gaga could've stood there that night like a spare part and she would've been criticised. No wonder she doesnt go to events anymore 

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36 minutes ago, MOT said:

the whole piece will paint Gaga in a bad light

I wouldn’t worry too much. If there one thing that people from the internet know how to do, it’s seeing things.

And seeing the Oscar moment, there’s no way they think Liza was fine enough to not be protected as much as possible.

If this story gets viral, the backlash will be directed towards Liza, not Gaga.

Edited February 20 by AVeryGagaHolyDick

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7 minutes ago, AVeryGagaHolyDick said:

I wouldn’t worry too much. If there one thing that people from the internet know how to do, it’s seeing things.

And seeing the Oscar moment, there’s no way they think Liza was fine enough to not be protected as much as possible.

If this story gets viral, the backlash will be directed towards Liza, not Gaga.

I'm not worried about who gets the backlash. I would like to know whether or not the poor picture that is painted of Gaga's behaviour is accurate.

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8 hours ago, MOT said:

I'm not worried about who gets the backlash. I would like to know whether or not the poor picture that is painted of Gaga's behaviour is accurate.

Does it really matter? Even if Liza were right and Gaga behaved the way she describes, is it really that deep? I'm sure we all did similar things in our personal lives. Good intentions, bad way of expressing them. I'd even go further and say that playing the hero game is a common thing. Safe to say, though, that Gaga may took a few notes on how to handle these things in future and possible scenarios. Our girl is good!

On the other hand, we've got to keep in mind that Liza was and still is struggling with serious health problems. She's probably frustrated on how everything turned out to be, mostly because it must be hard to face life is about to come to an end in such a delicate state. Please, don't be bitchy about her. We will all be Liza at some point

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2 hours ago, Obobo said:

Oh you’re right, guess I didn’t read it properly.  Oh well, that hag already one foot in the grave

She might not be able to take the high road, but neither does this fanbase apparently… 

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57 minutes ago, elegidadedios said:

Does it really matter? Even if Liza were right and Gaga behaved the way she describes, is it really that deep? I'm sure we all did similar things in our personal lives. Good intentions, bad way of expressing them. I'd even go further to say that playing the hero game is a common thing. Safe to say, though, that Gaga may took a few notes on how to handle these things in future and possible scenarios. Our girl is good!

On the other hand, we've got to keep in mind that Liza was and still is struggling with serious health problems. She's probably frustrated on how everything turned out to be, mostly because it must be hard to face life is about to come to an end in such a delicate state. Please, don't be bitchy about her. We will all be Liza at some point

I'm not talking about the acting the hero stuff. I'm talking about Gaga refusing to go on unless Liza was in a wheelchair. Is that true, or is it just made up, or an exaggeration ? If Gaga did refuse, what was her thinking ? What condition was Liza in ? That kind of stuff.