Meghan Trainor has welcomed a baby girl Mikey Moon via surrogate

[Aglaya 8,500]

3 hours ago, nATAH said:

that last line is pretty crazy lol

it's not narcissistic to want kids

It is when sharing your DNA is a must-to when having a baby. You only want to see a baby grow looking somewhat like you. You can have a baby whithout your DNA, and somehow people forget about adoption after discovering you can have a non-black or asian baby lol

[Aglaya 8,500]

16 hours ago, ****oDanceFight said:

 

Ooh the lack of critical thinking! Turn it 🧠 on!!!

I'm sorry but an american talking about turning a brain on..... Move on

[Chromanne 2,213]

Surrogacy shouldn't be put under negative light if it's done legally with complete autonomy of the surrogate mother. It's completely her personal choice and it's just not right to demean those who opt for surrogacy. Yeah, adoption is a better option and there are thousands of children waiting to get adopted, however we can't invalidate someone's choices on certain scenarios. Do all gay couples want to adopt a child despite there are thousands of children waiting to get adopted?

However surrogate mothers can also be exploited on many terms and conditions. These agreements should be checked thoroughly by the health care and government.

[nATAH 53,831]

2 hours ago, Aglaya said:

It is when sharing your DNA is a must-to when having a baby. You only want to see a baby grow looking somewhat like you. You can have a baby whithout your DNA, and somehow people forget about adoption after discovering you can have a non-black or asian baby lol

right... right...

[apollorowling 680]

Come on, why are you always like this? You're so selfish and judgmental. Mind your own business and stop judging other people's actions. You're not the center of the universe to be so negative about other people's decisions. Complain when it's exploitation. Do you seriously think it was the same here? 😒 I can't get my partner pregnant, and I don't think any gay man can either, so according to your strict and silly opinions, all gay men would be abusive exploiters of women if they decided to do the same. Shut up already, you ignorant people. 😒

[Bronco 18,160]

2 minutes ago, apollorowling said:

Complain when it's exploitation. Do you seriously think it was the same here?

If the surrogate was paid then absolutely. 

It's not wealthy women selling their uterus as a service. 

 

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good for her

[apollorowling 680]

13 minutes ago, Bronco said:

If the surrogate was paid then absolutely. 

It's not wealthy women selling their uterus as a service. 

 

I know women who make a living this way by choice, because they see it as helping couples who can't have their own children. So before making comments that basically leave out all the possibilities of why it's done, who does it, and how it's done, don't be so closed-minded 😄

[Bronco 18,160]

5 minutes ago, apollorowling said:

I know women who make a living this way by choice, because they see it as helping couples who can't have their own children. So before making comments that basically leave out all the possibilities of why it's done, who does it, and how it's done, don't be so closed-minded 😄

Look as soon as you are paying a human to provide a service via their body you open up all the grounds for abuse and exploitation. 

I've already shared multiple high level academic papers in this thread detailing the issues with surrogacy. 

What happens to the women you know if the customers don't pay? You say they make their living this way, are they cash rich enough to employ legal advocates to enforce a breach of contract? Do these women ensure that the contracts protect them fully from negative health effects that can be caused via pregnancy and the act of giving birth? 
Who advocates for the women you know if they end up in a position where they are unable to advocate for themselves due to ill health? 
How would the women you know handle the mental health impact of finding out the people they were a surrogate for have abused their child? 

Also - because I was going to comment on healthcare costs in a fee paying system, I double checked on your profile your country to see if the comment was relevant. I see you're from Uruguay - the law in Uruguay is that surrogacy cannot be for profit, surrogate parents are legally only allowed to pay for medical and pregnancy-related expenses and the surrogate mother must be a relative of one of the intended parents. 
So I'd be interested to know if these women you know are locals - because if they were, they are at risk of exploitation everytime they act as surrogate because they're at risk of criminalisation by the state and have no legal protection from abuse by the intended parents. And the child is at risk from the very beginning of the process as there's no legal oversight of the process which is the kind of route nefarious actors take to provide supply for trafficking. 

[Teletubby 157,282]

Meghan has 2 sons. It's not that she didn't experience motherhood, she just wanted her baby to be of the gender she chose. that baby probably wouldn't exist if one of her sons were a girl.

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13 minutes ago, Bronco said:

Look as soon as you are paying a human to provide a service via their body you open up all the grounds for abuse and exploitation. 

I've already shared multiple high level academic papers in this thread detailing the issues with surrogacy. 

What happens to the women you know if the customers don't pay? You say they make their living this way, are they cash rich enough to employ legal advocates to enforce a breach of contract? Do these women ensure that the contracts protect them fully from negative health effects that can be caused via pregnancy and the act of giving birth? 
Who advocates for the women you know if they end up in a position where they are unable to advocate for themselves due to ill health? 
How would the women you know handle the mental health impact of finding out the people they were a surrogate for have abused their child? 

Also - because I was going to comment on healthcare costs in a fee paying system, I double checked on your profile your country to see if the comment was relevant. I see you're from Uruguay - the law in Uruguay is that surrogacy cannot be for profit, surrogate parents are legally only allowed to pay for medical and pregnancy-related expenses and the surrogate mother must be a relative of one of the intended parents. 
So I'd be interested to know if these women you know are locals - because if they were, they are at risk of exploitation everytime they act as surrogate because they're at risk of criminalisation by the state and have no legal protection from abuse by the intended parents. And the child is at risk from the very beginning of the process as there's no legal oversight of the process which is the kind of route nefarious actors take to provide supply for trafficking. 

If we look at this so broadly - then most of capitalism is abuse.

What about sex workers whose bodies involved in exchange for money?

What about people working in harsh environments and risking their health for money (firefighters for instance)?

At every work, there is a possibility of power dynamics going wrong because of unfair conditions, bad bosses, and so on

[LunaUniverse 4,391]

15 minutes ago, Bronco said:

Look as soon as you are paying a human to provide a service via their body you open up all the grounds for abuse and exploitation. 

I've already shared multiple high level academic papers in this thread detailing the issues with surrogacy. 

What happens to the women you know if the customers don't pay? You say they make their living this way, are they cash rich enough to employ legal advocates to enforce a breach of contract? Do these women ensure that the contracts protect them fully from negative health effects that can be caused via pregnancy and the act of giving birth? 
Who advocates for the women you know if they end up in a position where they are unable to advocate for themselves due to ill health? 
How would the women you know handle the mental health impact of finding out the people they were a surrogate for have abused their child? 

Also - because I was going to comment on healthcare costs in a fee paying system, I double checked on your profile your country to see if the comment was relevant. I see you're from Uruguay - the law in Uruguay is that surrogacy cannot be for profit, surrogate parents are legally only allowed to pay for medical and pregnancy-related expenses and the surrogate mother must be a relative of one of the intended parents. 
So I'd be interested to know if these women you know are locals - because if they were, they are at risk of exploitation everytime they act as surrogate because they're at risk of criminalisation by the state and have no legal protection from abuse by the intended parents. And the child is at risk from the very beginning of the process as there's no legal oversight of the process which is the kind of route nefarious actors take to provide supply for trafficking. 

Also just to add onto this, newer medical research shows we (I say we because I am a woman myself) technically aren’t built to carry other people’s eggs because the genetic material is so different, leading to a higher likelihood of complication risk. This is all part of a medical study

https://theconversation.com/surrogacy-is-booming-but-new-research-suggests-these-pregnancies-could-be-higher-risk-for-women-and-babies-239574

[Bronco 18,160]

1 minute ago, nkta said:

If we look at this so broadly - then most of capitalism is abuse.

[Bronco 18,160]

2 minutes ago, LunaUniverse said:

Also just to add onto this, newer medical research shows we (I say we because I am a woman myself) technically aren’t built to carry other people’s eggs because the genetic material is so different, leading to a higher likelihood of complication risk. This is all part of a medical study

https://theconversation.com/surrogacy-is-booming-but-new-research-suggests-these-pregnancies-could-be-higher-risk-for-women-and-babies-239574

This is the thing. 
Surrogacy's effects on the surrogate & the child are severly underesearched. But what research is starting to emerge on the medical front should make everyone pause and demand better funded and more extensive research. 
Because as I highlighted earlier in the thread, some studies have shown children born via surrogacy are seeing worse outcomes in childhood development than non-surrogate born children and theres the research here showing increased complication risk to the surrogate mother (which equally means increased risk to the child). 

And that's before there's any ethical debates over surrogacy (and the normalisation of eugenics via the back door risk of surrogacy & designer IVF babies). 

[ANVEEROY 63,429]

Oh my f god, why GGD is full of anti-surogacy!!!!