Meghan Trainor has welcomed a baby girl Mikey Moon via surrogate

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11 minutes ago, gagzus said:

As someone who has seen my sister be a surrogate before I can tell you that might be your opinion, but the joy she brought to people carrying bio kids for them and the level of involved they still were in the pregnancy was beautiful. Also they weren’t rich they were pretty normal I’d say. Some people are just old school and feel a connection to children biologically their own. Id personally never have children but I say let people be surrogates and get surrogates if they so choose to, it’s not a simple or easy decision for anybody.

and what about your sister tho? did it take a toll on her body? was it worth it for her? i hope it was, it is not the case for everyone undergoing these practices to make other people happy and scathe free. Yes, personally i think the strongest connection you can have with your children is emotional, not biological, the concept of lineage is purely constructed, what's real is the emotional bond, and you can have that with a child you adopt and give the same unconditional love as if they were related biologically, and they can give back the same love and joy in return. I also think that the obsession with biological lineage and the carry on of your own genes does come from a narcissistic and ego centered place.

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Why is she sitting there like she just went through 24 hours of labour herself 

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1 hour ago, Lord Mayhem said:

Why she take a pic like she pushed? 

 

13 minutes ago, dynamite said:

Why is she sitting there like she just went through 24 hours of labour herself 

It’s skin to skin contact. Very common with newborns for bonding.

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9 hours ago, Aglaya said:

I swear if Gaga ever decides to buy a baby....  

Surrogacy isn't the same as buying a baby. Both parents DNA is transferred into the surrogate, akin to ingredients being put together and then put into an oven. The baby is biologically yours, even though it was grown inside another person. That's why when the baby is born, it's immediately passed over to the parents as it isn't the surrogate's child. For some reason, there's a huge misconception about what surrogacy actually is. It's a common choice for women who are fertile but for some reason, are unable to carry a pregnancy to full term or they have a condition that makes them prone to losing too much blood if they gave birth naturally and so on. It's not a purely selfish choice because say, a woman doesn't want to lose her figure.

9 hours ago, Lord Mayhem said:

Why she take a pic like she pushed? 

Because it is her biological child, so she's emotional, this is her first daughter too and she's doing skin to skin contact to encourage bonding, which is encouraged by medical staff, which is why you also see shirtless fathers doing pics like this too.

8 hours ago, MadArchitect said:

girl, these millionaire people have access to the best healthcare possible, they can be monitored 24/7 if they want to preventing any complications or issues with the children, and in the case complications occur they have the means to deal with it whatever the outcome, i'm sure the rate looks way different if u scout wealthy demographics

There's no monitoring that can prevent your child getting Down's syndrome, congenital disorders or birth defects, no matter how rich you are, nor is there any way of curing them. The only thing that the rich may have a bit of higher likelihood of is surviving pregnancy but that's about it.

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I can’t believe how many people are bothered by this photo Jfc 

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I feel like no one will ever convince me to be against surrogacy. Ik it's very heated, especially with gay couples, but I love it, support it. 

Happy for ha!

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Why can't she get Michael pregnant instead of getting a surrogate?

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9 hours ago, gagzus said:

No it isn’t BUT she increases the risk of her children having things like autism and Down syndrome and she could easily just enter menopause without warning.

Oh no, autism. How evil 

Nevermind that men are mostly responsible for that

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9 hours ago, MadArchitect said:

there is a lot of wrong with surrogacy, the class dynamics alone are the first problematic thing, imagine buying a woman's body to birth your children, if people really are so adamant about having their own bio children then they better take the risks to do so instead of surrogating them to somebody else because they have the money to do so, if not, just adopt, it's that simple. Adoption is a much better option as there is so many children out there in the need of family and support. I hope if Gaga decides to have children she adopts instead of doing this.

This take oversimplifies surrogacy to the point of being inaccurate and ignorant. Surrogacy is a voluntary, legally regulated process where surrogates are medically, psychologically, and legally protected, and are not biologically related to the child. Reducing it to “buying women’s bodies” actually removes women’s agency rather than defending it.

Also, for you to come onto this forum and expecting someone with a documented hip injury and chronic pain to “take the risks anyway” is selfish of you. Pregnancy is not a moral obligation, and avoiding unnecessary medical risk is not selfish. Adoption is meaningful but it is not simple, accessible, or ethically uncomplicated, and children are not substitutes in a moral argument.

Ultimately, reproductive choices are private medical decisions. Let people make their own decisions without opinions like yours. There’s more than one ethical path to parenthood. 

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9 hours ago, MadArchitect said:

and what about your sister tho? did it take a toll on her body? was it worth it for her? i hope it was, it is not the case for everyone undergoing these practices to make other people happy and scathe free. Yes, personally i think the strongest connection you can have with your children is emotional, not biological, the concept of lineage is purely constructed, what's real is the emotional bond, and you can have that with a child you adopt and give the same unconditional love as if they were related biologically, and they can give back the same love and joy in return. I also think that the obsession with biological lineage and the carry on of your own genes does come from a narcissistic and ego centered place.

Sorry for the lengthy reply btw;

 

Of course it took a toll on her body all pregnancy does, but the people she was a surrogate for still checked in on her and helped her out after she gave birth. They also didn’t just vanish out of her life either they still update her on their life and stuff kinda like if you had a pet with an ex and they keep pictures for you. But she herself has said she feels no emotional connection to the children she gave birth to for surrogacy because she doesn’t see them as her children. Sure she was lucky because she didn’t get any of the awful drawbacks a lot of women get from pregnancy like PND or anything, but again that was her choice to help people. Plus she was compensated well for it monetarily and health wise, she was wel looked after by the national health service after.

I’m sure that’s not always the case for everyone, and we’re humans reproduction and making our lineage last is in our survival nature. Now you can even use science to make a baby biologically the child of a same sex couple through surrogacy; that’s how obsessed we are as creatures with the connection to biology and lineage. And it’s ok to not want that for yourself but I think people (not singling yourself out- but I mean everyone who I’ve seen on this topic online) forget if you’re against surrogacy- that’s fine then don’t use one but stopping OTHER people form using it- is similar to how people are against abortion but instead of minding their business they want abortion abolished for EVERYONE. 

On the topic of Gaga however, she herself has expressed concern before about how her fibro might affect her body if she gets pregnant or gives birth, and since she’s marrying a man who has influence in the medical science field, I wouldn’t be shocked if she decided to use surrogacy. In fact I’d actually expect it. And on top of that like I said she’s almost 40 which is classified as middle aged and is close to the average age when women enter menopause which would stop her from getting pregnant all together.
 

Of course I believe wholeheartedly that adoption would be my first personal hope if I ever wanted children. But I don’t as I’m not maternal/paternal because I believe children are loving things not accessories (which I’ve noticed a lot of people forget) and I’m not prepared to give up my own life for another person yet.

Edited January 22 by gagzus

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10 hours ago, MadArchitect said:

and what about your sister tho? did it take a toll on her body? was it worth it for her? i hope it was, it is not the case for everyone undergoing these practices to make other people happy and scathe free. Yes, personally i think the strongest connection you can have with your children is emotional, not biological, the concept of lineage is purely constructed, what's real is the emotional bond, and you can have that with a child you adopt and give the same unconditional love as if they were related biologically, and they can give back the same love and joy in return. I also think that the obsession with biological lineage and the carry on of your own genes does come from a narcissistic and ego centered place.

Desiring biological lineage is narcissistic?  How about it’s…biological?   

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1 hour ago, LunaUniverse said:

Oh no, autism. How evil 

Nevermind that men are mostly responsible for that

My ex partner had autism because of his parents being older and trust me his life was and is not easy lol 

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Is this her way back in to the mom group drama? 

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11 hours ago, MadArchitect said:

and what about your sister tho? did it take a toll on her body? was it worth it for her? i hope it was, it is not the case for everyone undergoing these practices to make other people happy and scathe free. Yes, personally i think the strongest connection you can have with your children is emotional, not biological, the concept of lineage is purely constructed, what's real is the emotional bond, and you can have that with a child you adopt and give the same unconditional love as if they were related biologically, and they can give back the same love and joy in return. I also think that the obsession with biological lineage and the carry on of your own genes does come from a narcissistic and ego centered place.

that last line is pretty crazy lol

it's not narcissistic to want kids

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6 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Surrogacy isn't the same as buying a baby. Both parents DNA is transferred into the surrogate, akin to ingredients being put together and then put into an oven. The baby is biologically yours, even though it was grown inside another person. That's why when the baby is born, it's immediately passed over to the parents as it isn't the surrogate's child. For some reason, there's a huge misconception about what surrogacy actually is. It's a common choice for women who are fertile but for some reason, are unable to carry a pregnancy to full term or they have a condition that makes them prone to losing too much blood if they gave birth naturally and so on. It's not a purely selfish choice because say, a woman doesn't want to lose her figure.

Thank you for actually bringing on a real argument about surrogacy. The thing is, no one really cares about the baby's DNA. In fact, implying this is a great method of having a baby because it is "biologically yours" is just WRONG in many levels, as it also implies that an adopted baby is "less" than a baby because there's not a shared DNA in the process. Wrong and loud. Having +200K children waiting to be adopted just alone in the US and choosing to pay for a womans body is and will always be wrong. 

Let us remind ourselves that being a mom/dad is in fact NOT a right. If you can't have a baby by your own body or age... you souldn't be able to buy a baby online as a cake, cause is not a right. You may want to be a mom or a dad still, wich is totally fine! But in that case you should only adopt an already existing baby, as that's a real industry and a real problem with real children in most cases just growing up orphans. Many people, (almost alawys americans) argue that the adoption industry takes a long process and it can take years to have your baby delivered to you. I don't see how this is a problem lol. Having a baby should never be something you decide as a random thought. And also, having a baby in your own body is not something you do in a day. Being a parent IS an important decision, and I agree with the fact you should take years being ready to do so.

What do I mean by having a baby not being a right? It is not mandatory for your life, but rather a "wish". The same thing goes to bald people, or amputees. Why are we not just buying people's scalp or arms and legs? If we pay them, someone must agree to sell a limb, right? The ONLY TIME a surrogacy will be a good scenario, is if a dear friend or someone close to you agrees to carry your baby / for free / out of love and receiving nothing in exchange (even if after having the baby you decide to give that woman a million dollars, no one cares). The thing is, when you set a PRICE, you are setting the opportunity to poor people to enter an already existing market of buying their integrity. The same goes to the 100% hair wig market, wich also presents many unethical questions about where are those industries taking that hair out from. You can't sell your blood because there will be always an industry waiting for poor people to sell their bodies. That's why we have campaigns to donate blood, rather than a market. 

The scenario of putting an actual price on a baby is wild. If your surrogate woulnd't carry your baby for free, then this whole conversation is over, cause she is only doing it as a work, and a work should never be able to take advantage of your body.

If your own body can't handle a baby, you should never just buy another woman to do so. It's just an industry for the wealthiest people on earth to go on and take advantage of, in fact, random woman. You can look at the already exsisting cases of rich people backing up from a surrogate when they are informed the baby may be born with a disability lol. That's how great of an industry it is. And don't get me started on the fake post-partum picture with Megan and her bought baby as if she was the one delivering it. She would be way more real if she just took a selfie at a store.