Sepsami 19,419 Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 Is there a chance of me being able to get tickets twice? I was the only one in my friend group that actually managed to snag tickets Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sepsami 19,419 Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 14 hours ago, nodandsmile said: Girl we are too, the ****, stay home ma'am 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elizabeth 592 Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 Since I’m hearing rumours of Liverpool being the choice of location for the north of England rather than Manchester I need to start planning my trip, so what are the best gay bars to party in after the show in Liverpool? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneaky Oliver 22,405 Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 I don’t understand why they have stated that they’ve chosen to do the show in arenas and now there will be a stadiums-only leg? Will she tour again in the same cities she already performed in arenas? Will people buy tickets to watch the same show but with a worse view/experience (stadiums)? She could perform in two or three stadiums like a farewell for Mayhem era and that’s it Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pucihendzap 28 Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 Gays, what rumours do we have so far? When she will announce? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pucihendzap 28 Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 24 minutes ago, Sneaky Oliver said: I don’t understand why they have stated that they’ve chosen to do the show in arenas and now there will be a stadiums-only leg? Will she tour again in the same cities she already performed in arenas? Will people buy tickets to watch the same show but with a worse view/experience (stadiums)? She could perform in two or three stadiums like a farewell for Mayhem era and that’s it I'm so happy she will do stadium, wasn't even possible to buy tickets for arenas in Europe 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guille 1,486 Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 I would prefer an extended arenas leg for Europe, but I understand the logistics. I hope I can get tickets, it would be my 3rd Mayhem Ball show Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfer1990 56 Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 8 hours ago, Poker said: I'm sure she was willing to compromise some things just for the impact the Eras world tour would have. Even Katy said in Argentina that bringing the tour here wasn't profitable. Sorry, I know the topic here is Gaga, but I was the one discussing how Gaga treats her Latin fans. Many here thought it was silly, but it didn't take 24 hours for my point to be proven. Today, Ariana Grande, who was only coming for the premiere of Wicked, posted a lame excuse on Instagram saying she couldn't come. The truth is that most of them look down on Latin America. Not only do they leave the region out of their tours, but their merchandise is only available in the US and Europe, and makeup brands never come here. It seems like we're only good for engaging on social media and listening on Spotify. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy232000 12,599 Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 8 hours ago, IllusionLover said: Then how did Taylor brought the Whole eras show to argentina, México and Brazil, not to mention Chile was an option but the stadium was occupied She paid for everything herself most likely. Katy Perry also did this with her tour and even said so during the show, that she was advised not to come because they were losing money. Maybe Taylor broke even cause she has more demand but it’s almost certain she had to pay for at least some capacity for the show to be shipped off to LATAM. I’m talking screens, lights, sound systems. Obviously her props and custom stage travel everywhere, but the “generic” equipment usually artists will ask for each local country to put some of it themselves because it’s faster and cheaper. This is what sometimes LATAM doesn’t have so they pay extra to bring it here. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfer1990 56 Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 2 minutes ago, andy232000 said: She paid for everything herself most likely. Katy Perry also did this with her tour and even said so during the show, that she was advised not to come because they were losing money. Maybe Taylor broke even cause she has more demand but it’s almost certain she had to pay for at least some capacity for the show to be shipped off to LATAM. I’m talking screens, lights, sound systems. Obviously her props and custom stage travel everywhere, but the “generic” equipment usually artists will ask for each local country to put some of it themselves because it’s faster and cheaper. This is what sometimes LATAM doesn’t have so they pay extra to bring it here. This idea that it isn't profitable makes no sense. In Brazil, in recent years, there have been and will continue to be sold-out shows, from bands like Coldplay and Imagine Dragons to artists like Doja Cat, Katy Perry, and even Dua Lipa, who had to add extra dates in some Latin American countries. Soon we will have Shakira and Bad Bunny. Are you trying to convince me that all of them are losing money? 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy232000 12,599 Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 (edited) 19 minutes ago, gfer1990 said: This idea that it isn't profitable makes no sense. In Brazil, in recent years, there have been and will continue to be sold-out shows, from bands like Coldplay and Imagine Dragons to artists like Doja Cat, Katy Perry, and even Dua Lipa, who had to add extra dates in some Latin American countries. Soon we will have Shakira and Bad Bunny. Are you trying to convince me that all of them are losing money? Why are you so Hell-bent on this? Im not the only one saying it. This is coming directly from an artists mouth. Some lose money, some break even, some make a profit. That profit may or may not be as big compared to other markets, hence why many industry experts don’t encourage it nor do they run immediately to latam. Just because some artist find the way to cut corners to take the show to other territories it doesn’t mean the profit is big or worth it for them. If you’d make 5M in one city and only 900k in an other, which one would you be more eager to take the tour to? Some do it either way just to please fans, so yes, that’s where you’re whole debacle of treating us LATAM fans differently is valid, but 90% of the case it’s not just a purely “I don’t like LATAM let’s not give them anything” mentality. It’s more of a “this makes no sense financially, time nor effort wise, but hey, we’ll do it anyway even if we end up losing or not really making much “. But that mentality is not sustainable and that’s why yo until very recently many acts didn’t even come near here, or came once every 15 years And you obviously cannot compare Shakira and Bad Bunny to American. They are Latinos, it’s a totally different case. And again, BRAZIL is an exception. Stop just looking at Brazil like the entire region. If you wanna defend concerts in LATAM please consider the optics of countries like Costa Rica, Perú, Guatemala, Uruguay, Belice. The tiny ass countries where it’s harder to do so Edited November 4 by andy232000 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfer1990 56 Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 11 minutes ago, andy232000 said: Why are you so Hell-bent on this? Im not the only one saying it. This is coming directly from an artists mouth. Some lose money, some break even, some make a profit. That profit may or may not be as big compared to other markets, hence why many industry experts don’t encourage it nor do they run immediately to latam. Just because some artist find the way to cut corners to take the show to other territories it doesn’t mean the profit is big or worth it for them. If you’d make 5M in one city and only 900k in an other, which one would you be more eager to take the tour to? Some do it either way just to please fans, so yes, that’s where you’re whole debacle of treating us LATAM fans differently is valid, but 90% of the case it’s not just a purely “I don’t like LATAM let’s not give them anything” mentality. It’s more of a “this makes no sense financially, time nor effort wise, but hey, we’ll do it anyway even if we end up losing or not really making much “. But that mentality is not sustainable and that’s why yo until very recently many acts didn’t even come near here, or came once every 15 years And you obviously cannot compare Shakira and Bad Bunny to American. They are Latinos, it’s a totally different case. And again, BRAZIL is an exception. Stop just looking at Brazil like the entire region. If you wanna defend concerts in LATAM please consider the optics of countries like Costa Rica, Perú, Guatemala, Uruguay, Belice. The tiny ass countries where it’s harder to do so If some artists decide to bring their shows to Latin America even though they don't make as much money, and others don't, it's a matter of how each artist sees their relationship with their fans. Some prefer to mediate that relationship through affection, others only through money. It's a choice. And I'm not obsessed with this. If you take a ten-minute look at Latin fandoms on Twitter, you'll feel the frustration of years of engaging with and supporting an artist only to be despised by them later. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy232000 12,599 Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 5 minutes ago, gfer1990 said: If some artists decide to bring their shows to Latin America even though they don't make as much money, and others don't, it's a matter of how each artist sees their relationship with their fans. Some prefer to mediate that relationship through affection, others only through money. It's a choice. And I'm not obsessed with this. If you take a ten-minute look at Latin fandoms on Twitter, you'll feel the frustration of years of engaging with and supporting an artist only to be despised by them later. Which is why I said LATAM fans need to be more understanding. Their feelings are valid, but to me it’s just not a matter of personal disdain from the artist necessarily or exclusively. There could be pressure from a record label or promoter like live nation that may be discouraging heavily that the artists comes. LATAM fans deserve better yes for sure, but many would lose less sleep over this if they take a look at the entire picture too and know that it’s not personal. In Gaga’s case, since this is where the whole discussion began, she did Mexico and Brazil after years of ignoring us. In no way, shape or form, should fans be saying she didn’t try this time around. 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfer1990 56 Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 7 minutes ago, andy232000 said: Which is why I said LATAM fans need to be more understanding. Their feelings are valid, but to me it’s just not a matter of personal disdain from the artist necessarily or exclusively. There could be pressure from a record label or promoter like live nation that may be discouraging heavily that the artists comes. LATAM fans deserve better yes for sure, but many would lose less sleep over this if they take a look at the entire picture too and know that it’s not personal. In Gaga’s case, since this is where the whole discussion began, she did Mexico and Brazil after years of ignoring us. In no way, shape or form, should fans be saying she didn’t try this time around. We know there are businesspeople and producers, but it's not as if Gaga or Ariana are minor artists with no decision-making power. Even Perry managed to insist and come. Currently, Gaga's fiancé manages her career. If they wanted to, they could buy Live Nation today. I say this to emphasize that, if they wanted to, they would certainly have the power to say, “I want to take my tour to Latin America.” Therefore, in the case of such important artists, she is not coming because they do not want to. It's the same as someone believing that Ariana Grande will not come to the premiere of Wicked in Brazil because there are no flights. In relation to Latin America, it is clear that Brazil is an exception, along with Mexico, Argentina, and perhaps Chile, but that does not prevent them from touring only in those countries. After all, it is not as if she is touring all of Europe; she could do the same here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy232000 12,599 Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 (edited) 3 minutes ago, gfer1990 said: We know there are businesspeople and producers, but it's not as if Gaga or Ariana are minor artists with no decision-making power. Even Perry managed to insist and come. Currently, Gaga's fiancé manages her career. If they wanted to, they could buy Live Nation today. I say this to emphasize that, if they wanted to, they would certainly have the power to say, “I want to take my tour to Latin America.” Therefore, in the case of such important artists, she is not coming because they do not want to. It's the same as someone believing that Ariana Grande will not come to the premiere of Wicked in Brazil because there are no flights. In relation to Latin America, it is clear that Brazil is an exception, along with Mexico, Argentina, and perhaps Chile, but that does not prevent them from touring only in those countries. After all, it is not as if she is touring all of Europe; she could do the same here. Gaga went to Mexico, Brazil and Singapore. And she will go to Japan, and Australia. She covered multiple, often ignored territories. By your logic, she wanted to and she did. But if you wanna go ahead and lose sleep over not having more dates then that’s your decision. To me the world isn’t black and white like that and Gaga did her part on this particular tour Edited November 4 by andy232000 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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