Ukraine will sue Poland, Slovakia and Hungary

[NichuuB 41,805]

20 minutes ago, Maxine Puth said:

Damn if only I had mentioned that in my… oh wait, I did. Going to GagaDaily for political commentary and debate is like going to the gas station for your groceries. Yeah there’s $7 gallon milk and maybe some eggs, but there’s a reason people do their actual grocery shopping at a grocery store. 

if you dont want people's commentary on these topics here, dont enter the thread. theres plenty of threads i dont enter in this forum cuz i dont have the tiniest will to get into it. its simple as that

[Maxine Puth 5,362]

22 minutes ago, NichuuB said:

if you dont want people's commentary on these topics here, dont enter the thread. 

You could literally change enter to make and send it to OP since OP is the one complaining about how… biased? people are on here. I simply told them yeah, maybe don’t make threads on GagaDaily if you’re hoping for genuine political discussion (which they’re complaining doesn’t happen).
 

Not sure what you’re trying to defend because it’s definitely not me or the OP, and therefore is irrelevant to any discussion I’m having. 

Edited September 19 by Maxine Puth

[Bronco 333]

16 minutes ago, NichuuB said:

he didnt say he supports russia. he said he can criticize ukkraine even tho russia is still the wrong one, but if he does so, suddenly hes pro-russia, which aint true

Look at his comment history - everytime he's been on this site to discuss any political thread - he's only engaged on the site to post anti-Ukrainian takes in various threads or share bad news articles about Ukraine. 

His most recent engagement prior to this latest thread was him actively pushing propaganda to invalidate the existence of Ukraine as a nation state. 

[Gangie 4,055]

In my country we say "sometimes when you give a finger, they will cut the whole hand". And that's on that.

[Dennis 5,672]

7 hours ago, FfFfFfFF said:

but 2 years into this war many in Europe are starting to put their Ukrainian flags awar (despite for a vocal yet unpleasant minority). 

[Luc 4,772]

7 hours ago, FfFfFfFF said:

Why did Poland, Slovakia and Hungary ban the selling of Ukrainian grains on their territory (key note their selling not their transit - as Ukraine no longer exported its grains to hungry and povery-ridden Africa and the Middle East as advertised, but to European countries which paid more)

Ukraine itself is a hungry and poverty-ridden country. Ukraine's GDP per capita is $2000 at the moment. That is comparable to most of sub-Saharan Africa, and much less than countries in the Middle East. Pitting Ukraine against other poor countries reminds me of a boss putting white workers against migrant workers, telling the white workers the migrants are "taking your jobs". No, both are victims of the boss. In this comparison the boss is Russia, obviously.

7 hours ago, FfFfFfFF said:

How Ukraine keeps alinating its regional allies one by one because it knows it can get away with everything because it's a victim. I know 70% of you will be defendind it because it was ideologically decided you want to support this side and not the other and everything your side will ever do is in the right, but 2 years into this war many in Europe are starting to put their Ukrainian flags awar (despite for a vocal yet unpleasant minority). 

What's do you actually think is wrong with alienating regional allies? Is there anything ethically wrong with that?

 

 

 

I'm not saying that every action by a country facing a crisis should be defended. But this action is very defensible - in fact, the fact that they're suing these countries for the WTO shows that Ukraine thinks it has the law on its side. An example of a case where a country or leader facing a crisis did something indefensible would be when the president of the Palestine endorsed China's genocide of Uyghur Muslims back in June. But I saw nobody post about that, no Instagram stories about that, no Twitter discussion about that. I wonder why

Edited September 19 by Luc

[LoliLux 976]

7 hours ago, Poker said:

But this is not Ukraina vs Russia Daily?

 

That's right, we are here on TheTaylorTimes (formerly known as GagaDaily).

 

@back topic:

well, agriculture is important to Poland/Slovakia/Hungary as farmers have theirs jobs in agriculture and suddenly the market was flooded with Ukrainian grain as there was a surplus and they were not competitive as U.G. had cheaper prices. This is an unexpected market disruption that would have led farmers either go bankrupt or rely on (more) state subsidies, as we have recently seen in the French wine scandal.  So this is a job-market protectionist measure by P/S/H. Likewise, you cannot import anything you want from USA to Canada, as Canada, as many countries, also have protectionist measures. Protectionist measure are not always necessarily bad, they ensure that local companies have a long-timme perspective and that jobs are not outsourced to cheaper countries but sometimes customers pay prices that are too high. Anyway, if there are pesticides in these grains, they are not recommandable either way.

 

[Natalia Kills 185]

I personally think it’s a dumb choice and probably won’t amount to much.

But I understand why they’re suing, Ukraine has essentially been assaulted by Russia out of greed. So the country is going to be doing what it can to survive. I think a lot of its allies understand this. 

This isn’t much of a story to be honest.

[27monster27 8,711]

11 hours ago, Bronco said:

Look at his comment history - everytime he's been on this site to discuss any political thread - he's only engaged on the site to post anti-Ukrainian takes in various threads or share bad news articles about Ukraine. 

His most recent engagement prior to this latest thread was him actively pushing propaganda to invalidate the existence of Ukraine as a nation state. 

 

6 hours ago, Dennis said:

Some history:

OP was first overtly pro-Ukraine (to the point of being alt-right by falsely claiming that the left was harming efforts to support Ukraine), and then they received a month long ban in 2022 regarding it. They came back and took a more neutral stance moving forward. Eventually (for reasons that I do not personally know) they changed their allegiance to being more against Ukraine. Regardless, it has its roots in mod action.

They are not the only user on this website that should have been banned for alt-right takes in the past as MANY on here are worthy of having this happen to them. I'm not naming names.

[FfFfFfFF 53,227]

8 hours ago, 27monster27 said:

 

Some history:

OP was first overtly pro-Ukraine (to the point of being alt-right by falsely claiming that the left was harming efforts to support Ukraine), and then they received a month long ban in 2022 regarding it. They came back and took a more neutral stance moving forward. Eventually (for reasons that I do not personally know) they changed their allegiance to being more against Ukraine. Regardless, it has its roots in mod action.

They are not the only user on this website that should have been banned for alt-right takes in the past as MANY on here are worthy of having this happen to them. I'm not naming names.

I was  absolutely never banned on this site. I had issues with the way some leftists claimed Ukraine should have received absolutely no help at the start of the invasion and how some claimed Russia was in the right only because the US and NATO also did bad things.

At some point along the line the situation completely reversed and became a matter of asking for more and more whilst spreading obvious pro-Ukraine propaganda and naturally I changed my views. For a while it seemed Americans and some Western nations didn't know that this all needs to stop at some point, but the realization that it needs is finally kicking in in some parts of Europe.

Edited September 20 by FfFfFfFF

[FfFfFfFF 53,227]

12 hours ago, Dennis said:

You can help Ukrainian economy and enjoy your rat-poison infested cereals, if you want! My threads shouldn't prevent you from doing the things you want.

If you still think all of this is Russian propaganda or whatever https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-4020-8359-4_4

Edited September 20 by FfFfFfFF

[Economy 42,955]

Society has gone too far with the idea where when someone is a victim its like it comes with a free card to say whatever you want, always have people take your side, or have others shammed if they dont side with u. In this i agree with OP

 

If the pesticides are banned in their countries, that seems like a totally legit reason to keep a ban in place

 

I do feel sorry for Ukraine and what their going thru and obstacles on their exports arent helpful. But at the same time the war is still a seperate issue. Normal trade dynamics and rules still apply, their situation doesnt give them a free card for special treatment and their importers shouldnt have to consume chemicals and pesticides that have been deemed dangerous by their nations for the sake of supporting Ukraines economy

[FfFfFfFF 53,227]

3 hours ago, Economy said:

Society has gone too far with the idea where when someone is a victim its like it comes with a free card to say whatever you want, always have people take your side, or have others shammed if they dont side with u. In this i agree with OP

 

If the pesticides are banned in their countries, that seems like a totally legit reason to keep a ban in place

 

I do feel sorry for Ukraine and what their going thru and obstacles on their exports arent helpful. But at the same time the war is still a seperate issue. Normal trade dynamics and rules still apply, their situation doesnt give them a free card for special treatment and their importers shouldnt have to consume chemicals and pesticides that have been deemed dangerous by their nations for the sake of supporting Ukraines economy

This! In life there are nuances. And this is just the tip of the iceberg.

After the grain deal mediated by Turkey expired, Ukraine started using the Danube for the grains intended for the EU market. And because of this there has been spill over of debris and drones into Romania to the point that Romania started building shelters across its borders and Romanians receive phone alerts when drone strikes happen. 

Sooner or later they will start hitting major cities or settlements, the Danube is also the NATO frontier and it was turned into a warzone. What freaks me out is that when people should be asking for less war they are ask for more, want ''justice'' or ''revenge'' as if this is a video game instead of real life. And the less they feel the conseqences, the louder they are.